Magic Gods are Multiversal - Definitive Edition

Astaro

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Alright, let clear some things up, showing irrefutable proof and even more importantly, putting to rest near decade long hoaxes about Magic Gods and the cosmology of the verse.

All the following quotes are taken straight from Baka Tsuki’s js06’s translation of the series + some translations taken straight from the original Japanese texts.

Toaru’s Cosmology is made up of Phases

“Have you ever heard of phases?”

“…?”

“This world was not pure and untouched to begin with. Christian, Buddhist, Celtic, Indian, Shinto, Incan, Aztec, Greek, Roman…and Norse. The various religions have placed layer after layer of various phases over the world like thin veils or filters. There is heaven, hell, the underworld, the Pure Land, Yomi, the abyss, Mount Olympus, the fairy island, Nirai Kanai, Asgard, and many others. At any rate, the world you have seen so far has been viewed through various colors of cellophane.”

The other important thing to consider is what world is in this context.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

The earth, the universe, and the world were nothing but a giant balloon. And a Magic God was a potted cactus wobbling on top of the balloon. That would cause anyone to panic. Once one learned of its existence, they would be worried around the clock that the cactus would eventually topple over as it moved freely about.

Phases are referred to as worlds and dimensions based on Curtana Original.

That sword was an extreme spiritual item that fully united the three factions and four regions of the United Kingdom; it could draw on a portion of Archangel Michael's power while on British territory. If a qualified user released that power even for a moment, a swing of the sword would sever all dimensions at once and giant ruined materials would be created along the line of the slash.

Yes, all dimensions.

Assuming it could hit, that extraordinary power could penetrate the barrier between worlds and kill a being lurking in a different phase… for example, Holy Guardian Angel Aiwass who stayed in the layer of physical laws at the very bottom.

Also according to Curtana Original, there’s as many Phases / dimensions as what can be counted with whole numbers

"This simultaneously severs every dimension at the coordinates whether they are higher dimensions or lower dimensions. It seems the only cross section objects created that we can perceive are the ones that can appear in a 3 dimensional world."

(What…?)

Kamijou was completely dumbfounded.

If what she was saying was true, that sword was a monstrous weapon that could cut right through dimensions which did exist but were more of a concept than anything. No matter how much steel someone used to protect his body, Curtana Original could cut right through the dimension to cleave him in two.

Even so, Kamijou did not feel any fear. The scale was simply too great. Apparently the universe was constantly expanding due to the big bang, but no one could concretely feel the universe expanding with their 5 senses. Second Princess Carissa was using a power on that level

With a loud impact, Carissa landed near the third princess and dragged her sister off the ground with one hand. By the time Villian raised her head, the end of Curtana Original was already pressed against her throat. That sword had no tip or blade, but it still held the ability to slice through all whole number dimensions.

A chill ran down his spine. After all, his opponent attacked with a strike that could slice through all dimensions that could be represented with whole numbers. If he misread the situation, he wouldn't just lose his right arm. His entire body would be sliced in two.

Quoting one more piece of information again because it’s important for the next part

Assuming it could hit, that extraordinary power could penetrate the barrier between worlds and kill a being lurking in a different phase… for example, Holy Guardian Angel Aiwass who stayed in the layer of physical laws at the very bottom.

This specific part disproves the notion I often hear of the Pure World being the one universe of the setting while Phases are just layers over it. This is blatantly false as Carissa or Queen Elizard within the universe their in are cutting through countless dimensional barriers in order to reach the universe Aiwass resides in. Aiwass in turn is an extra-dimensional Angel who can’t even properly exist in the universe without first being summoned and with preparations to be able to manifest

Coronzon confirming both the main setting’s universe and the Pure World are all Phases too.

"While all those fools are focused on the visible chaos, I will take my time preparing for the end. I am the Great Demon lurking in the Abyss of the Sephiroth. But ascending the tree is not the only way to use it." She pointed her thumb at the center of her chest. "I obtained this physical body and descended the tree. The humans drowning at the bottom level only ever think of ascending it, but the connections go both ways. I started higher up and I can freely come and go, so this temporary level does not matter to me. Having a physical body is not a bad thing since it provides practical benefits in this world. And it allows me to reach the physical and scientific layer at the very bottom where all other phases are folded up."

"The bottom?"

"Yes. Imagine the universe at the point when the geocentric model said the other planets revolved around the earth. That is different from current mainstream astrology, but this is about some simple mental exercise. …But make sure this hypothetical does not confuse you. Now, with that model, the forces storing up mystical and supernatural power pour down on the earth from outside of the planet, but the earth in the center is a perfectly ordinary hunk of dirt. That is the earth's surface where we are standing now. If you removed that, the world would lose its center and it would fall apart, correct?"

Coronzon raised her slender index finger and slowly spun it around.

When she did, a few of the large plates around them began to rotate. They appeared to be representing the view of the world before it was proven that the planets revolved around the sun.

"By passing all that power through this foundational layer, that 'bottom' layer can be broken and removed. From there, all other phases will be destroyed along with this one. Without the core, the other forces cannot maintain their revolutions."

She clenched her fist and took a step from the center.

With their directions from the "core" gone, the large plates scattered blindly and bumped into each other.

A single action caused it all to fall apart.

"Aleister apparently wanted to save humanity by destroying every other phase and leaving just this one behind, but I am the opposite. By removing the 'bottom' layer at the center, the phases for all mythologies and religions will be destroyed. That is the Ceremony of Mo Athair. Nothing at all will remain afterwards."

TL;DR The Pure World is the Phase / Layer at the very bottom / center where all the other Phases revolve around. Coronzon destroying the Pure World would cause all the other Phases to lose their stability and the slight bumps and scapes between Phases from before which already twist the laws of cause and effect and create future changing phenomenon in the series will become full on collisions and simultaneous destruction between Phases

Think this pretty much sums up everything that needs to be known about Phases. Now to Othinus and other Magic God feats:

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Othinus controlling every Phase at once, controlling and remaking existing universes or creating new ones.

"Was he really a Magic God who had bloomed some other way than Othinus?

Kamijou's face was pale, but Othinus did not hesitate to speak to him.

"But have you forgotten? How many digits' worth of worlds do you think I made and remade when I was settling things with you? If an equal Magic God existed in this world and this age, they would have interfered back then."

"You mean…?"

"At the very least, there wasn't a Magic God in this world. Doesn't that seem like a reasonable conclusion?"

"Have you forgotten?" Othinus sounded almost utterly exasperated. "This is the Dianoid. The entire building is made of carbon materials. That means you don't need control over every phase, every dimension, and every element to manipulate everything around you. A magician with control over carbon and nothing else can pull that one off."

Stop it. I don't like being praised like that. You saw Othinus at full power, didn't you? If the predicted specs I calculated out are accurate, her power would go well beyond mine which is limited to the world we're in now. How many times was the world destroyed on your way here? In fact, how'd you even defeat her when she had her lance? …No, merely winning in a fistfight wouldn't get you back to this world."

It was true that 100% Almighty Thor would likely be killed in an instant if he faced 100% Magic God Othinus. Thor ruled a single world while Othinus created infinite worlds. That was an obvious and insurmountable wall.

But that was not the current problem.

Almighty Thor stood before Kamijou as a real threat and Othinus could no longer use her power. To move on, Kamijou would have to defeat him with the fists of a puny human.

“Just to be clear, I don’t designate the coordinates. For one thing, coordinates on paper are meaningless in an ever-expanding universe.”

^ To further explain the above context, Thor is comparing his own command over the world as Almighty Thor to the range and scope of Othinus. And Almighty Thor makes him the Magic side equivalent of a Holistic Esper



While normal Esper powers work on the quantum level to create changes viewable to the macroworld, Holistic Espers affect the macroworld to make changes barely viewable at all.
"Holism.

In that theory, the entire expanding universe was treated as a single large system or network and things were viewed at the largest scale that humans could manage.

This once branched off to Gaia Theory which viewed the entire Earth as a single environment or ecosystem, but the life forms on the Earth were also affected by solar winds and the gravitational pull of the moon. If you also added in the time axis and other dimensions to that large 'world', you were no longer dealing with just a single planet. In that way, many had gone back to the origins of the theory and talking in true wholes once more.

Gremlin had used Baggage City as a giant testing ground to complete the foundational theory behind psychic powers that used that holism.

The theory itself was simple.

It was the opposite of the butterfly effect that said the beating of a butterfly’s wings could cause storms.

In other words, a major change on the global scale could cause flames to come from your palm.

Just saying that the large affected the small may make it a little hard to understand.

However, we are constantly undergoing changes caused by large things.

For example, take the theory of relativity.

Setting aside the precise definition, let us focus on the part that says the flow of time slows the closer an object gets to the speed of light.

A human riding in a car and a human riding in an airplane are in different 'times' that would cause a slight immeasurable error.

So let us make the scale larger.

What about a human on Earth versus a human on the moon? What about a human on the moon versus a human on Mars? Due to rotation and revolution, those people would be within different speeds and therefore different times.

Now let us bring the scale up to the whole.

The universe was created in the Big Bang and is constantly expanding moment by moment. Of course, we of humanity live in the universe and are all moving at the speed of that expansion. This puts us in the relativistic time created by the Big Bang.

Now, let us go through a thought experiment.

The universe is expanding equally in every direction, but what if the expansion speed of a single local area changed?

The change in speed would create a change in time.

An exceedingly large phenomenon would change the concept of time for a tiny human.

Of course, that is merely an example.

However, if you could bend or ball up the entire universe, the side effect of that power would cause an exceedingly microscopic phenomenon that would be immeasurable even with an electron microscope.

Does it seem like a rather roundabout method?

Do you think that if someone had power great enough to alter the expansion speed of the universe, they should just use that power to directly crush the planet or the galaxy?

However, a holistic esper would only notice the flames coming from their palm. Even if some distant galaxy was crushed in the process, that would be all they could comprehend. Just like how a person in a car cannot notice that someone standing on the Earth is in a different time.


As such, an esper created from the whole might only reach a Level 2 or 3 on Academy City’s scale. Even if some truly ridiculous thing was occurring in reality, no one would notice it, so it might as well not have been happening. Ironically, this was the same as the concept of zero in quantum theory."

Othinus destroying every Phase at once


As the lance was fired with tremendous force, the “happy world” was smashed to pieces as if space itself was being torn apart. As a fragment of the world approached with the force of a raging wave, it took on the shape of a giant lance. The walls of all the phases were crushed, transformed into a swirl of deadly weapons resembling sharp shards of glass, and approached their pitiful target as if to swallow him whole.

Everything was ripped up.

The black labyrinth, which had used up all of its possibilities, showed itself.

Once more reiterated that she destroyed (almost) every Phase at that the black void left behind is the result of destroying every Phase, meaning she’s done this multiple times throughout NT9

Othinus and Kamijou Touma had been wrong about one thing.

They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.

But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.

This black world was the place not even Magic God Othinus had been able to destroy.

Rest of the Magic Gods are far stronger than her and reside the last remaining Phase even she couldn’t reach.

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"It may have been wrong to refer to that place as dark. In fact, the word “place” was not entirely accurate either. Non-existent things could not be explained. Nevertheless, a few voices lurked within where no one could interfere.

Othinus and Kamijou Touma had been wrong about one thing.

They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.

But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.

Said Phase is so vast, even the slightest gaps extend infinitely since anything less would be insufficient to contain True Magic Gods


“The concepts of distance and time don’t matter here, remember? And I can’t leave regardless. Even if I did, I’d just end up gathering unwanted attention on a global scale like Othinus. I was a hair’s breadth and an infinite distance away.”

“Does the same go for the others?”

“Old man, did you start forgetting things once you became a mummy? The zombie girl, the chimera, and everyone are here. It’s just in destiny’s hands whether we run across each other in this place where the tiniest gap extends to an infinite distance☆”

The conversation came to an end. In that place that did not exist in the world, they prepared to scatter apart.

“If you think about it, you could call this our way of being ecological. We do it because the world is too small for us to live in, but it isn’t easy putting up with.

Magic Gods need to reduce their power infinitely to put themselves down to such a level where they don’t destroy the universe they step into by moving a limb

Direction and depth were indistinguishable in that black space, but three distinct presences existed there.

“So have we managed to finish in time, Nephthys?”

An old man’s voice spoke in the darkness. More than simply “wrinkled”, the voice was better described as “dried-up”.

The responding voice sounded like a young and bewitching beauty.

“Yes. That zombie girl is useful at times like this. Thanks to her background of actively drawing in a great number of cultures, she has an affinity for most anything.”

“But, High Priest,” cut in a girl’s voice that sounded even younger and also childish. “Miss Zombie’s theory is essentially the same as holding up opposing mirrors, right? By splitting up our power infinitely, we can intentionally weaken ourselves and avoid destroying the world whenever we move an arm or leg.”

“What about it, Niang-Niang?”

“I’m just wondering if the symbol ∞ will really grow weaker when you split it up. I don’t want to smash the world up like stained glass the first step I take. We’re not like Othinus.”

And finally, to put the “Kamachi says there’s only one universe!!” hoax to rest

The following comes from NT13’s epilogue:

Another Possible Beginning — The_End_is_Named...

And it’s when Kamisato uses World Rejector on Niang-Niang and we get this exchange:

“You can’t. You can’t possibly. Parallel worlds don’t-…”

“Yes, the world is ultimately a straight line like the rubber string nailed onto pachinko machines. There is no infinite expanse of parallel worlds.

^ This is the js06 translation that’s been bandwagoned for over a decade now to argue that Kamachi said there are no parallel worlds (completely ignoring every other feat and statements that say otherwise.)

But now we know for sure that no such thing was said.

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並行する世界が無限にある訳じゃない.

"Heikō suru sekai ga mugen ni aru wake janai"

“There are not an infinite number of parallel worlds.”

^ It’s not there are no Parallel Worlds that was stated, just that there isn’t an infinite amount of them in the sense that they don’t occupy every spot of the infinite expanse of the settings multiverse. Even with the endless Phases that make up the verse, there’s still unused space in between them.

World Rejectors takes advantage of those still unused spaces between worlds to send people to, and said unused space becomes its own isolated timeline.

"When World Rejecter activated, it held enough power to defeat even Magic Gods by the dozen. Salome’s body would be swiftly “exiled” to the spare territory between related timelines. Basically, a living human being would be sent to another world, never to be seen again."

The unused space becoming it’s own isolated timeline.

Those two were true Magic Gods. So who in this isolated timeline could concern them?

He was watching the very geography of the planet changing. If this was not a timeline isolated by World Rejecter, these attacks would have wiped out the human race several times over.

No, that was wrong.

If the entire "world" was their stage in the truest sense of the word, then perhaps it was lucky that the damage from a clash between gods was limited to a single planet.

Even so, that being had returned.

Avatar Lola Stuart.

And Coronzon within.

With multiple Magic Gods clinging to her like the sludge of a bottomless bog, she had taken one last large step to force her way back from World Rejecter's shifted timeline.

And likewise, Niang-Niang herself also never denied the existence of parallel worlds, here’s the above exchange translated from the Japanese text

Niang-Niang: i can't believe it. The parallel world is...
Kamisato: Yeah, they don't exist infinitely.

Few other miscellaneous feats:

Magic Gods can survive the full power attack of each other at least once


「同じ [魔神] の攻撃なら、 真っ向からぶつかっても一発くらいは耐えられるでしょ」

If it's an attack from the same magic god, could probably endure one shot even if I took it head-on.

They transcend the entirety of the verse

"Even if it was a long time ago, are you saying that you, who boast of omnipotence, couldn't handle that opponent?"

"It's Fräulein Kreutune, isn't it? Besides, even if we talk about omnipotence, it's ultimately only the level of omnipotence created by human imagination. Don't expect the kind of omnipotence that truly transcends dimensions, like that of a MagicGod."

In the Toaru X Virtual On crossover (game version), Othinus confronts the Tangram with its meddling and threatens to destroy it should it continue.

『神の座』 に近いが、やや組成が違う、 か。 いずれに しても、誰でも踏み込める場所ではなさそうだが
前後左右どころか上下の概念もない世界に不純物とはな
さながら、『声』 が届かなかった場合の保険か。 どこの 馬だか知らないが、 これだけで貴様の不安が見て取れる. 言っておくが、 私は特に優しくない寛容でもなければ公正でもない。 おおよそ神らしからぬ 発言だが、 神は言い訳をしないものだ. せっかくあの『人間』 を使って無限に等しい退屈を 少しでも紛らわそうとした所でこの騒ぎ. 挙げ句、いらん 『調整』 のおかげでもはや不要となった 肉の器と 『力』 まで押し付けられたときたもんだ
•••••• 平たく言えば、私はキレている
この程度で神秘を覆ったつもりか? こちとら片目を 抉って首を吊り、 叡智を手に入れた魔術の神だぞ
この神が一度だけ警告する. 上から目線で一方的な覗き見は気に喧わん。 同じ席に、 つけ。さもなくば、 次は貴様の物までさらけ出す. タングラム、か

"Close to the 'Seat of God', but the composition is slightly different, I'd say? Either way, it doesn't seem to be a place just anyone can enter. Impurities in a world without even the concept of up and down, let alone front, back, left and right...

I suppose it's insurance in case the 'voice' doesn't reach. I don't know what kind of "things" they are, but just seeing this glimpse of your anxiety. But let me tell you, I'm not particularly generous, tolerant, or fair. It's a rather ungodly statement, but gods don't make excuses. I was merely trying to use that 'human' to alleviate my near-infinite boredom for a bit, and now there's this commotion. On top of that, thanks to the unnecessary 'adjustments', I've been forced to take on a vessel and 'power' that I no longer need.

------ Simply put, I'm angry.

Is this the extent to which you've cloaked yourself in mystery? I am the god of magic who plucked out one eye and hung by the neck to gain wisdom!

This god warns you just once. Stop your one-sided peeking from above. Sit in the same seat. Otherwise, next time I'll drag out your very essence. Tangram."

The Tangram is a God-Machine that embodies the very concept of technology and transcends time, space, and causality while existing across all points in time and space that spans a multiverse of infinite parallel worlds and dimensions and can send people to among those worlds as well as reset the entire multiverse.

He had no idea what was going on, but Kamijou still looked around.

As soon as he shifted his focus to the outside world, the scene changed.

It was like the entire universe had opened up.

The distinction between front and back, left and right, and even up and down had little meaning in this infinitely expanding space. Points of light flashed here and there in the dark space. He could not tell if they were expressing a will like his own or if they indicated stars or worlds.

But there was something with an overwhelming presence in the center of the space.

It looked like the ultimate manmade object and also like a biological eyeball.

Kamijou was reminded of the spaceship-like structure from when he had fought the Second Plajiner unit.

Had that been modeled after this?

Had the Blue Stalker designed the stage that way because of his desire for this?

And another thought occurred to him.

He had no real basis for it, though.

(That is not of our world. It shouldn’t be there.)

No, that was not quite accurate.

It was everywhere and crossed between every world, but that was why it could not be allowed to remain in a single world and be monopolized by that world. So as the puny resident of a single world, Kamijou felt a pain as he viewed it. It felt like an invisible “heart” or “soul” within him was being worn away.

This was the ruler and gatekeeper that connected every parallel world.

Only one possibility came to mind.

“The Tangram!!”

“It’s useless. The Tangram is the highest being that binds all dimensions together, but it also chooses who can contact it. Those who are rejected are repelled and vanish into one of the infinite parallel worlds. And they are swapped out by someone from that world. You are not qualified. As far as I know, only the Plajiner girl has ever accomplished that.”

The Tangram was an incomprehensible being that looked biological yet also dull and bland. But it had changed. Its appearance remained the same, but he could sense something oozing out from within.

It was almost like someone had accessed a previously automated robot and was now controlling it remotely.

But who could do that?

This being existed across every dimension and parallel world, reigned as the gatekeeper and ruler, and would eternally exile those it rejected to a random world. Who was the one and only person with the authorization to fully access the Tangram despite the risk?

“It can’t be…” muttered the Lilina right by his side.
Kamijou could also only think of one possibility.

“Is that the true L’Ln Plajiner!?”

He did not know what intention she had for this.

He did not know what she would benefit from this.

He did not know what emotions led her to do this.

But in the end, that absolute being had made her judgment against the wicked man who had destroyed an entire world in his greed, pursued a girl, and remade her into a copy of a girl who held a godlike position.

The true rules that treated Virtuaroids as weapons of war were far heavier and absolute than the boy’s pathetic cry. So it was a matter of correct or incorrect, not good or evil, and the Blue Stalker was prioritized. He would be accepted by the Tangram, he would contact it, he would freely cross between parallel worlds, and he would be given the power to rearrange history.

Control over all causality in the multiverse and resets things so that the events of Toaru X Virtual On never happened

Simply put, nothing remained.

There was no trace of the city’s destruction, no one had any memory of facing the Second Plajiner, and there was no sign of the Next Generation Game of Virtual-On in any form.
This had all begun from the desire to illegitimately use the Tangram which controlled all causality and phenomena. The Tangram had a will of its own, so as soon as it remembered something, it may have corrected everything.

So the city was back to normal.

The wind turbines spun, the produced electricity was swiftly gathered and redistributed, and lights came on in homes. People smiled like it was nothing and time passed like it was nothing. The city enjoyed completely normal days once more.

It all seemed to say that the tragedy had never occurred.

Despite this, Othinus complains at how the Tangram is limited compared to the Magic Gods who can do the impossible

Even the many-worlds interpretation, which branches into infinite possibilities, is of no use to Othinus.
Fundamentally, there are more things she can do.
Othinus is explaining that she can even realize the possibility of 0, which is completely impossible with Tangram.

無限に連なる並行世界にストックしてあるのは、所詮i fの可能性『だけ』だ. つまり、元から存在しない可能性は引っ張り出せん. タングラムを使って金持ちになりたいなら、 下排えとし て全く同額分だけ自力で稼ぐ努力をしなくてはならないその場で叶う、叶わないはさておいて、全力を注がねば 金持ち ifは分岐しないからな……だとすれば、なんて無駄なシステムなんだ。 とっとと自分の力で金持ちになれば良いではないか.

The infinite possibilities stored in parallel worlds are ultimately just "if" possibilities. In other words, possibilities that don't originally exist cannot be pulled out. If you want to become rich using Tangram, you have to put in the effort to earn the same amount of money on your own. Otherwise, the branch of "if" that leads to becoming rich won't occur. What a useless system this is! Wouldn't it be better to just become rich with your own power?

While the events of Toaru X Virtual On are non-canon, Kamachi has stated themselves that the events play out as if they were canon to the story in his Afterward notes for the story.


At first, I thought I should build a world that strictly follows the worldview of Virtual-On (and the more I did that, the more material I had to use). However, when Watari-san saw the plot I had come up with, he told me to split it into two pieces and put more of my own ideas(toaru) into it. I don't know how to describe how I felt at that time, but it was a really big shock, and I realized that this work was different from what I usually do.

it's true that the collaboration is not an official event.
But for the fools who claim that it's not official settings at all, please convey this to them.

This includes the game version also done by Kamachi



PS4/PS Vita Title "Dennou Senki Virtualon x A Certain Magical Index: A Certain Magical Virtualon" Second Promotional Video Released!

This video introduces a glimpse of the original story written by Kazuma Kamachi, connecting from the novel version. It also showcases the game's attractive features, such as substantial missions and online battles that can be enjoyed solo or with others, narrated by Touma Kamijou (CV: Atsushi Abe) and Index (CV: Yuka Iguchi)!!

PS4/PS Vita用ソフト『電脳戦機バーチャロン×とある魔術の禁書目録 とある魔術の電脳戦機』のプロモーションビデオ第二弾です! 小説版から連なる鎌池和馬先生書き下ろしストーリーの一端や、一人でもみんなでも遊べる充実のミッションやオンライン対戦など、本作の魅力を上条当麻(CV:阿部敦)とインデックス(CV:井口裕香)のナレーションでたっぷりご紹介!! 「

novel, game story = only kamachi written

^ Credit to @fiamma for these translations taken straight from the novels

And that concludes my thread. Any questions?

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Me waiting for the allegations to be proven that this entire thread is a dishonest lie and I’m pulling the next Lionel Suggs or Jakk level deception on the OBD

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Speed feats for Magic Gods.

Othinus appearing before Touma and tearing off his arm before he could react

For a while, Kamijou did not move.

But remaining stopped would not change anything. If he did not move forward, the battle that began in Baggage City would never end. That was why Kamijou headed forward. He reached out his right hand. Toward Dáinsleif. He would bring it to a certain end by destroying that great power.

But…

A slender female hand grabbed Kamijou’s right wrist to stop him.

Kamijou had no idea when the person had appeared.

“Wha—?”

He let out a questioning voice.

A girl of about 13 or 14 stood so close that he could feel her breath. The girl had white skin and wore a fur coat that was open on the front and an outfit of black leather. However, two other things she wore drew the eye even more.

The first was a wide brimmed hat with a pointed tip like a witch would wear.

The second was an imposing eyepatch covering her right eye.

Whoever she was, Kamijou concluded she was from the magic side and he went on full alert because she had grabbed his right wrist.

However, what happened next went well beyond anything he could have expected.

The eyepatch girl whispered to him.

“…This isn’t over yet.”

Immediately afterwards…

Without hesitation…

The girl tightened her grip, crushing Kamijou’s right wrist and severing his hand.

An exchange between her and Ollerus involved both firing tens of thousands of attacks instantly.

Most of the chain-link had been destroyed but the blond young man still pointed toward the mainly useless exit of the ring.

“Hurry up and leave with the Dvergr. I have business with that Imagine Breaker.”

“…”

Othinus remained silent for a bit.

But then…

A tremendous explosive noise burst out between Othinus and the blond young man.

Actually, it was not just one. Thousands and tens of thousands of explosive noises burst out at such short intervals that they all sounded like a single whole.

However, Kumokawa had no idea what had happened.

She saw no visual phenomenon.

She knew only one thing.

That blond young man could rival that Magic God named Othinus.

“Give it up. This will settle nothing,” said the young man.

Most likely, Othinus had only been testing him. After a few seconds, the explosive noises suddenly stopped.

Do so again, this time distorting space and time to produce a black hole like environment with their number of attacks.

“Ha ha ha. Don’t get so pessimistic, Miss Almighty Magic God. No one can stand on your level at the moment. Don’t treat me like a true monster just because you’re lonely.”

“…”

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers."

All the above is Othinus while under her 50/50 restriction that limits herself.

Destroys the entire cosmology (as explained in the OP of its size) safe for the Hidden Phase instantly.

And...

Magic God Othinus lightly spun the lance around in one hand and pointed its tip toward the heavens.

She spoke slowly.

She uttered two short sentences.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world.”

And exactly as she had announced, everything was immediately destroyed.

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Speed of her crossbows.

In the end, the world was her crossbow.

As soon as Kamijou Touma realized that, ten pieces of destruction rained down from the
heavenly dome above.

What exactly could this be compared to?

Perhaps a super-long railgun that targeted someone on the planet's surface after eternal
acceleration using straight guiderails stretching from one end of the universe to the other.


Perhaps a singularity weapon that created destruction unexplainable with Newtonian
physics by directly messing with the smallest particles dealing with mass and motion such
as the bosons and the Higgs particle.

In all likelihood, expressing it with words was meaningless.

Even if one gathered everything that could be expressed with words, it was unlikely one
could shoot down that crossbow.

It also pierced his heart and blasted it to the ends of that black world within so short a time frame, what remained of Touma did not even have time to be blown away yet

The final arrow broke through the girl’s entire body and assaulted Kamijou from the blind spot directly in front of him.

“…Ah.”

Time stopped.

He was too slow to react.

By the time he heard a dull sound, the final arrow had already been absorbed into his chest and accurately targeted his heart.

This was nothing as kind as piercing or breaking him.

In the instant of impact, Kamijou Touma’s body was smashed to pieces from the chest down. As his heart continued to writhe in midair, the tip of the arrow caught it and blasted it to the farthest reaches of that world.

All that remained in that place were the boy’s arms, shoulders, and head.

At that level, this could only be called his remains.

Kamijou’s “body” spun at least twice through the air and Othinus caught it in one hand.

So in order to find an estimate for its speed, we do the following multi-step calculation:

For an extreme low end by assuming Touma and Othinus fought at the very middle of the universe, ignoring the black void their in is the result of destroying ALL Phases, just going observable universe size (about 28 billion parsecs), and going by a second for the timeframe, those crossbows would need to have been moving at 14 billion parsecs a second. (Half the observable universe)

Or 4.31994861*10^26 meters per second.

From there, we divide the above by the Speed of Light in meters per second to see how many times faster than light that number is.

4.32 × 10^26 meters per second / 299792458 meters per second

Final result = 1.4409969 × 10^18 times the speed of light

So yeah, it’s about 1.4 Quintillion times Faster than Light so far.



This is just the size of the observable universe. The black void is blatantly not just one universe, but the result of Othinus destroying every world she created in that volume, with several quotes putting it in the hundreds of billions at least

"But still," muttered fifteen centimeter Othinus. "Through all of those hundreds of billions of phases, I missed the Misaka Network that manipulated the border between life and death. Does he also contain the possibility to always show up or appear anew in every world or phase I created?"

"Was he really a Magic God who had bloomed some other way than Othinus?

Kamijou's face was pale, but Othinus did not hesitate to speak to him.

"But have you forgotten? How many digits' worth of worlds do you think I made and remade when I was settling things with you? If an equal Magic God existed in this world and this age, they would have interfered back then."

"You mean…?"

"At the very least, there wasn't a Magic God in this world. Doesn't that seem like a reasonable conclusion?"

The black void is explicitly the result of destroying every Phase in existence at the time (besides the Hidden World)


As the lance was fired with tremendous force, the “happy world” was smashed to pieces as if space itself was being torn apart.

As a fragment of the world approached with the force of a raging wave, it took on the shape of a giant lance. The walls of all the phases were crushed, transformed into a swirl of deadly weapons resembling sharp shards of glass, and approached their pitiful target as if to swallow him whole.

Everything was ripped up.

The black labyrinth, which had used up all of its possibilities, showed itself.



Othinus and Kamijou Touma had been wrong about one thing.

They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.

But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.

This black world was the place not even Magic God Othinus had been able to destroy.

So low end, the black void is made up of billions to hundreds of billions of universes.

Going by several low end statements for the amount of worlds Othinus made throughout that volume before destroying them all into that void, and you can slap at least 9 to 11 more zeros to that 1.4 quintillion, making the speed of the crossbow from crossing that amount of universes that made up the void up to anywhere between 1.4 octillion to 140 octillion times the speed of light as the final result.

And Touma was dodging those things like no one’s business.

For True Gremlin, they move about in a Phase where the slightest gaps extend infinitely, showing their unbound by the concepts of space and time altogether.

“The concepts of distance and time don’t matter here, remember? And I can’t leave regardless. Even if I did, I’d just end up gathering unwanted attention on a global scale like Othinus. I was a hair’s breadth and an infinite distance away.”

“Does the same go for the others?”

“Old man, did you start forgetting things once you became a mummy? The zombie girl, the chimera, and everyone are here. It’s just in destiny’s hands whether we run across each other in this place where the tiniest gap extends to an infinite distance☆”

The conversation came to an end. In that place that did not exist in the world, they prepared to scatter apart.

“If you think about it, you could call this our way of being ecological. We do it because the world is too small for us to live in, but it isn’t easy putting up with.
 
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