OBD Convo #26: Forth Eorlingas!

[Xadlin]

Golden boy?

what happened to him, i saw people talking about something bad that happened to him in the comments of be our guest reanimated but couldnt find what it was

Car crash, fatally injured and lost 2 best friends .
That trauma is hard to grip with.
Survivor guilt and all.
Had to deal with that when I was a priest, and had to somehow comfort a young missionary that had their companion killed by a drunk driver, that just missed him.

 

[Cryso Agori]

But like truth be told. This paper is not an actual research into Stable Diffusion and other gan models.

It was definitely made for the Anti-ai crowd so they could keep spreading misinformation about how ai steals images, while anyone with a basic knowledge of how SD works and reading comprehension could understand that the results were extremely biased.

But luddites don't care to do any research into how these stuff work anyway and not listen to anyone that doesn't conform to their opinion.


An actual unbiased way to see if the ai can reproduce images would be to use a base model (not a trained one) with some non-biased prompts and then generating images to see if the ai can generate a copy with barely any human input instead of what the creators of the paper here did.

 

[Claudio Swiss]

Golden boy?

Car crash, fatally injured and lost 2 best friends .
That trauma is hard to grip with.
Survivor guilt and all.
Had to deal with that when I was a priest, and had to somehow comfort a young missionary that had their companion killed by a drunk driver, that just missed him.

Never knew you were a priest

 

[Uoruk]

Except it isn't really imagining it?

1. It wasn't random, the scientists went through multiple generations to make the images, while explicitly skewing the ai into generating these copies, getting the results they wanted.

2. I see it like how normal copyright infringement works, i.e you drew is copyrighted work, so you can be sued but the actual program used wouldn't. I don't think there's a case for suing the ai for "memorization" either, cause the ai doesn't save any images, and the chances of the ai producing a perfect copy of a copyrighted image in a single generation without any sort of skewing is less than a million, the paper itself has said that the chance is extremely low.

To the point where they generated million images and didn't find copies.

Point being neither of those is a defense and no ones talking about suing the actual fucking ai my guy. It's a tool and the one using it is held responsible. There's also the fact that getting near enough to an article even if it isn't an exact copy is still copyright infringement it doesn't have to be an exact copy and paste. You think a judge is going to go over every fucking pixel to determine whether something is or isn't a match? You think they're going to care?

 

[Uoruk]

But like truth be told. This paper is not an actual research into Stable Diffusion and other gan models.

It was definitely made for the Anti-ai crowd so they could keep spreading misinformation about how ai steals images, while anyone with a basic knowledge of how SD works and reading comprehension could understand that the results were extremely biased.

But luddites don't care to do any research into how these stuff work anyway and not listen to anyone that doesn't conform to their opinion.


An actual unbiased way to see if the ai can reproduce images would be to use a base model (not a trained one) with some non-biased prompts and then generating images to see if the ai can generate a copy with barely any human input instead of what the creators of the paper here did.

"Luddites"


yikes

 

[Uoruk]

Like bruh, people are just concerned their lively hoods might be in jeopardy and ur just like nah fuck them they just don't like new things

 

[Cryso Agori]

Like bruh, people are just concerned their lively hoods might be in jeopardy and ur just like nah fuck them they just don't like new things

I'm not talking about all artists, but those twitters artists who purposefully spread misinformation and toxicity? Yes fuck'em.

Look I get being angry at ai cause it means that people don't have to pay you draw porn anymore.

But when that means

-inciting people to perform copyright infringement by generating images of characters and then tell people to put them on products and sell them.

-demonizing people who use ai to the point of wanting them to die or calling them Nazis

-and spreading misinformation without actually doing your own research and inciting other people to attack ai users.

They've passed multiple lines and I'm going to insult them over it.

 

[Nevermind]

Well yeah, I'm not saying I'm not gonna wait forever or nothing like that... eh fuck it, I'll try anyway, I plan on getting critiqued for each chapter anyway so I don't fall into that shit in the first place.

Don't wait. The more you wait, the more time you lose. But do put your concept and outline in place before you start the main thing.

 

[Uoruk]

I'm not talking about all artists, but those twitters artists who purposefully spread misinformation and toxicity? Yes fuck'em.

fair

Look I get being angry at ai cause it means that people don't have to pay you draw porn anymore.

Porn artists are people too

I pray CSR never puts the pen down

But when that means

-inciting people to perform copyright infringement by generating images of characters and then tell people to put them on products and sell them.

People are doing this?

-demonizing people who use ai to the point of wanting them to die or calling them Nazis

Nah, tbf a lot of ai users are fucking retarded, especially the ones trying to claim they're actual artists and are witholding/selling prompts and the like. Actual dick heads.

Not saying demonizing anyone is ok but I've seen a lot more dumb shit from the pro ai side.

-and spreading misinformation without actually doing your own research and inciting other people to attack ai users.

They've passed multiple lines and I'm going to insult them over it.

shrug*

 

[Cryso Agori]

People are doing this?

MidJourney is kinda fucky though cause you do need to pay to use and the copyright is weird, so dude might have a point but still doing this would put the person in trouble too.

Good thing I don't use midjourney.

Nah, tbf a lot of ai users are fucking retarded, especially the ones trying to claim they're actual artists and are witholding/selling prompts and the like. Actual dick heads.

Oh them fuckers, I agree they give the pro-ai crowd a bad rap. There are bad eggs in every community.

Not saying demonizing anyone is ok but I've seen a lot more dumb shit from the pro ai side.

Maybe it's cause of perspective but from what I've seen most of the toxicity came from the anti ai crowd. But twitter is a cesspool so it doesn't surprise me that both sides are toxic.

 

[Uoruk]

MidJourney is kinda fucky though cause you do need to pay to use and the copyright is weird, so dude might have a point but still doing this would put the person in trouble too.

......


Bruh, that post is literally just telling you what I was telling you except sarcastically. Even if the creator claims it's not against copyright it most certainly is, especially if used to produce a character that has similarities to a well known one. For instance, If I made a black bunny, named him Mugs Money, gave him tims and a blunt if I tried to market the shit theres enough similarities to Bugs that I'd get in trouble for it.


In this case? Because the creator is claiming it's not infringement he'd be liable yes. If someone else used it to produce and then use a copyrighted image and he hadn't said shit the person abusing the ai would be in trouble. Because the latter is akin to blaming gun companies when someone gets shot

Maybe it's cause of perspective but from what I've seen most of the toxicity came from the anti ai crowd. But twitter is a cesspool so it doesn't surprise me that both sides are toxic.

true

 

[El Hermano]

 

[Uoruk]

"Probably would have taken me three years to come up with a song title that clever"

Life must be hard when your iq is lower than 100

 

[Derpmaster9000]

"Probably would have taken me three years to come up with a song title that clever"

Life must be hard when your iq is lower than 100

You're being too generous just saying their IQ is lower than 100. Even a 70 IQ dumbass would've been able to come up with something as simple as that. IQ lower than 50 would be more accurate.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Bruh, that post is literally just telling you what I was telling you except sarcastically. Even if the creator claims it's not against copyright it most certainly is, especially if used to produce a character that has similarities to a well known one. For instance, If I made a black bunny, named him Mugs Money, gave him tims and a blunt if I tried to market the shit theres enough similarities to Bugs that I'd get in trouble for it.


In this case? Because the creator is claiming it's not infringement he'd be liable yes. If someone else used it to produce and then use a copyrighted image and he hadn't said shit the person abusing the ai would be in trouble. Because the latter is akin to blaming gun companies when someone gets shot

I talked to him, he isn't being sarcastic at all, he actually wants people to perform copyright infringement. He thinks it'll somehow get MJ into trouble

Also yes I agree that creating a "Mugs Money" and commercializing it, would be infringement. But from what I've read, if you commercialized it.

I'm not really sure of this so I could be wrong, but from what I've read, if you aren't making any sort of commercial value, you are protected by Fair Use. Which is how fanart and fanfiction is protected.

If you started selling Mugs Money then you can be sued.

Idk about MJ but SD uses a license that allows for commercial and non-commercial usage.

Stable Diffusion Public Release — Stability AI

We are delighted to announce the public release of Stable Diffusion and the launch of DreamStudio Lite.

stability.ai

i) The model is being released under a Creative ML OpenRAIL-M license [https://huggingface.co/spaces/CompVis/stable-diffusion-license]. This is a permissive license that allows for commercial and non-commercial usage. This license is focused on ethical and legal use of the model as your responsibility and must accompany any distribution of the model. It must also be made available to end users of the model in any service on it.

Meaning that if you generated a copyrighted character and simply shared it on the internet for free you'll be protected by fair use, but if you sell that image on a t-shirt, you can be sued.


At least that's what I've read, I could be wrong.

EDIT: Though you probably already know this.

 

[El Hermano]

"Probably would have taken me three years to come up with a song title that clever"

Life must be hard when your iq is lower than 100

 

[Cryso Agori]

 

[Uoruk]

You're being too generous just saying their IQ is lower than 100. Even a 70 IQ dumbass would've been able to come up with something as simple as that. IQ lower than 50 would be more accurate.

I was in fact being generous yes

I talked to him, he isn't being sarcastic at all, he actually wants people to perform copyright infringement. He thinks it'll somehow get MJ into trouble

Then he's being weird

Also yes I agree that creating a "Mugs Money" and commercializing it, would be infringement. But from what I've read, if you commercialized it.

I'm not really sure of this so I could be wrong, but from what I've read, if you aren't making any sort of commercial value, you are protected by Fair Use. Which is how fanart is protected If you started selling Mugs Money then you can be sued.

Idk about MJ but SD uses a license that allows for commercial and non-commercial usage.



Meaning that if you generated a copyrighted character and simply shared it on the internet for free you'll be protected by fair use, but if you sell that image on a t-shirt, you can be sued.

We're kinda just repeating each other cuz ur reiterating what I said already lol

 

[Xadlin]

Never knew you were a priest

never told anyone
more of a "just go and do good, brother" priest type
more a less active priest these days, since i got in a feud with the arch bishop.
still got my licence, so i can bless anything from people, to graves to houses to funerals and all.

kinda became jaded a bit, when i traveled around, saw the corruption in the church and people that actually try to do good or help clean up the church's bad name, gets punished in order for the church to keep its status quo holy and clean status.

 

[Cryso Agori]

We're kinda just repeating each other cuz ur reiterating what I said already lol

I realized that after I posted it