OBD Convo #48: WAGA TAMASHII

Adamant soul

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That's what you get when you ask for "remakes" of games from people who obviously don't understand what made the original so beloved in the first place and who have actively tried to change their whole series to appeal to/appease westerners. :maybe

The fact people are still asking for remakes of other FF games after these disasters, is baffling to me.
 
I do find that complaint people had about the Turks in Advent Children weird. They placed a bomb and killed a shitload of people as if we weren't doing the same shit on an albeit smaller scale :skully . Tifa and Barrett were just in it for revenge and Cloud for his next paycheck, they aren't exactly people to talk shit about others morality here:mjlol. The compilation has plenty of other things to shit on anyway.

It's weird because they didn't need to do much at all just to fix those scenes around:

You want to have the Plate Drop not something to put on The Turks? Then just have it be an assortment of Shinra SOLDIERS do it under President Shinra if you want that squeaky clean image on both sides, don't do this bullshit "We can't have our heroes be unheroic" because it just makes them look like retards instead.

In trying to give Yuffie more prominence in the party, you further expose a huge chunk of Yuffie's flaws while trying to make her come off more likeable and a reason to exist in the party(She literally tries to assassinate President Shinra... but then admits she helped overthrow HER OWN FATHER with the 3 Ex-SOLDIER... who conveniently are the Mobile Game characters from Ever Crisis that Sephiroth long controlled... really only to be surprised at seeing the corpses of Wutai Ninja that her actions may have caused a war). It's ridiculous when Cissinei's re-introduction in the Gongaga section is exactly what I wanted a FFVII Remake to be:

Just add in parts of the Compilation without it being in your face or taking away from the story of FFVII.
 

Cubey

The Formality
That's what you get when you ask for "remakes" of games from people who obviously don't understand what made the original so beloved in the first place and who have actively tried to change their whole series to appeal to/appease westerners. :maybe

The fact people are still asking for remakes of other FF games after these disasters, is baffling to me.

Tbf a dirge of Cerberus remake by someone like kamiya would be most welcome. That sweet sweet Vincent glory.
 

shade0180

Just a shadow
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Seriously there are 2 shit that should stop right now.

Live action and remakes.

:eksip both shit are being use to just destroy older franchise and stifle any creativity for instant money grab opportunity.
 

Gordo

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Watch them reveal Glenn as Cloud’s dad

It would explain where Cloud gets his strength from. Son of a former SOLDIER


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Also making Sephiroth the war buddy of Cloud’s dad
 
I'm usually not a person to kick a man while it's down... but fuck off TvTropes, just fuck off:


After being a Karma Houdini in Remake, in Rebirth Don Corneo rides Abzu into battle against the party and players can treat him to some direct payback, and the fight ends with him once again losing and being sent scurrying away, but this time its in public and much more humiliating for him.

:facepalm

A reminder, you Corneo ultimately dies to The Turks in the original game doing the Wutai Sidequest(Which is seemingly how the 3rd Remake game is gonna go) so this is already stupid as fuck. Secondly in Remake, you basically destroyed Corneo's entire gig which makes them acting like he's a "Karma Houdini" to be completely retarded and third:
How the fuck did Corneo get enough funds to threaten a buyout of The Golden Saucer anyway?!

With her being even more bloodthirsty and cruel in this continuity, Scarlet is begging for punishment. Players get to dish it out to her twice using two different parties, crippling her beloved Crimson Mare again for good measure.

"Wow, we really did good in kicking the mech's ass and had her retreat due to wholly different reasons than the party doing so, we really got her good this time"

While the execution of the game's Gainax Ending is debated, it can't be denied that fighting and beating down Sephiroth with a party of Cloud and Aerith can feel very satisfying, especially after just witnessing him kill her again (or at least one version of her) by using a timeline distortion to "cheat" and subvert Cloud's attempt to save her. Making it even more cathartic is that Sephiroth is visibly angered before the fight, admitting that he underestimated Aerith, and afterwards he's even more angered and retreats.

YOU LITERALLY DID NOTHING TO SEPHIROTH! Acting as if making him madder because he somehow didn't believe Aerith would fuck him over despite fucking over all timelines(which would include her being in it) wouldn't have that happen is just monumentally stupid. And again, this is based on ultimately JUST pissing Sephiroth off, not killing him, not doing any massive inconvenience, just pissing him off... wow.

:tripscust

A number of players had a Double Take at hearing Red's/Nanaki's real voice and took umbrage with it, claiming that Rebirth had somehow taken creative liberties that disrespect his depiction in the original game. But Nanaki is a teenager by his species' standards even in the original Final Fantasy VII and used a different inflection and style of speech to be taken seriously (though due to the difference between Japanese and English, it would be hard to properly reflect in the original given lack of voice acting even if the original's translation didn't have dubious choices). Max Mittelman's performance reflects this now that Nanaki is in a fully voiced game.

TRYING TO COMPARE THE INFLECTIONS OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES WHEN THAT SHIT DOESN'T EXIST IN ENGLISH IS FUCKING WANK! Like I'll be real, it's extremely weird hearing Red XIII having a literal teenage voice rather than the "Old Wise Man" voice because there has never been a single time he hasn't had it in the perspective of English goers. Trying to put this as "Older Than You Think" doesn't work like that, especially for a text based game(You could potentially do it by having Red talk like an old man and then suddenly throw in modern slang when we reach those points but that would not work).

Padding: While the game is much better about its pacing than Remake (owing naturally to the party's adventures across the Planet in the original game covering a much longer timeframe than just Midgar, thus things don't need to be stretched as much), there are still spots where the story is artificially lengthened.

There are ALOT of spots in Rebirth where the game is horrifically lengthened by huger degrees than it is necessary and they actually mention plenty of spots... worse part is that we NEVER visit Rocket Town so yeah, entirety of Cid's characterization is fucking GONE.

Tifa in the original game has been often criticized for not confronting Cloud about his inconsistent memories of Nibelheim and keeping the anomaly to herself. Here, she does considerably more to at least get to the bottom of the issue, not only confiding in Aerith but also attempting to question Cloud a number of times, though she eventually stops upon figuring out that it may only end up further harming his already fragile mental state, acknowledging they were both in the dark over Nibelheim. The game is also more upfront about exploring Tifa's personality flaw of wanting to be a people pleaser rather than facing the hard but necessary truth, resulting in her failure to help Cloud sort out his memory issues while keeping the others in the dark about what she knows, hence their being unable to help as well.

No, she doesn't, hell, it's even worse as she tends to actually validate Cloud's crazy even moreso than she did in the original while allowing him to delude himself in the worst moments. She only challenges him ONCE and barely at that.

In the original, Cait Sith often got flak for not only forcing himself into the group but also blackmailing the other party members into letting him stay by threatening harm upon Marlene. Here, he never makes a move against Barret's daughter, and instead earns the party's trust through more sincere actions like finding Barret in the Gold Saucer. It helps that the person behind Cait, Reeve, also gets Adaptational Herosim by being shown working behind-the-scenes to assist the party as well, such as altering their wanted posters.

I talked about this before, no one had any real issue with this part, what people hated was more of why Caith Sith was a party member at all.

Cid's bad temperament and awful treatment of Shera have gotten more and more criticism over the years for aging very poorly. While his relationship with Shera isn’t seen here, he’s shown to be a lot nicer while keeping his rough demeanor.

"Wow, Character Development? Nah fuck that, Cid can't be mean to Shera at all for what he believed was her fault that his dreams was ruined! Let's just take away EVERYTHING ABOUT CID so he was always a nice guy, fucking perfect!"

Some find it hard to believe that Shinra, especially executives like Rufus, wouldn't notice the party infiltrating Junon in disguise and Cloud conversing with Rufus without issues. In this, Shinra are fully aware of Avalanche's break-in, with Rufus allowing it to happen so he can make Cloud an offer he can’t refuse.

Except only THEY are aware of it and not, you know, the rank and file who absolutely should know about their existence!

In the original game, the Turks were often depicted as having a frenemies relationship with the party, despite being responsible for dropping the plate that destroyed Sector 7, killing their friends and destroying their livelihoods. In Rebirth, the party's displeasure whenever encountering the Turks is more pronounced, with them bringing up the Turks' cruel actions in Remake.

Then why aren't they trying to kill them then?! They can threaten Corneo for the shit he pulled but not actually kill Elena how many times they had her to their mercy? And she may be a newbie, but she's still a killer.

They Copied It, Now It Sucks: Some players were not happy that the reveal that Sephiroth's desire for "Reunion" involves destroying alternate timelines and then forcibly fusing them together into a single unified world is almost a 1:1 copy of the Ascians' plan in Final Fantasy XIV to destroy the 14 shards of Ethrys and fuse them into the original single world that used to exist in their place.

Wow, I didn't even see that, holy shit:maury

Sephiroth isn't just stealing from Ultimecia but now the Ascians too?! Fuck me, give this nigga a fucking break if you can't keep the man consistent in his goals.
 

Adamant soul

Marvelous
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All I can say is thank God they aren't remaking X or XIII if this is the shit they're doing to VII. :kobeha

Feel bad for IX fans though as we basically know that's happening. :mjpls
 

Atem

King of Games
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Next update.

Chapter 30: Apotheosis

"War always changes. It is the only thing that ever does. The way they are fought? The places they are fought in? The nations that fought in them? They always change. If you want a world that is worth living for? What you have got to change are people, because they never do. You never change. They never change. Change yourself. Change them. Change the world. Don't come to my doorstep, and complain about how it is impossible. Do it, because you got to. Do it, or none of this will ever mean anything. Do it, because you got somebody back home waiting for a fool like you."

- The Courier


The Godhand was no more. I had seen to it. This world, this Earth, which I had grown to love as my own, and which I would christen as Holy Terra? This universe would know of peace. This crystal sphere? The plane I had won by conquest. There was only one stitching in my soul that had persisted throughout it all, but it would not last. It would come undone, and it would come undone because I was not satisfied with this.

The Heart of Darkness had to answer for every crime. What it had done to every person on this planet. The Sword of Damocles was hungry for retribution, it was starving for justice, and it would collect on that life. Just as it had collected on the lives of every monster. I would not be denied, and I would meet the Abyss. I would become the bane of every demon lord. The Hero of Many Faces. Then I would return, but not as myself.

No, I would be The God Emperor of Mankind.

This I had woven. The choices I had made would be what led to my damnation, but there was a chance. It was with that grievous miracle. I would leave my Golden Throne, and I would save all of them. The Imperium of Man was not lost. The road I would need to tread had revealed itself, and at the end of it? There was a home. A house I could call my own. There were people I loved who were still waiting for The Crow, The Knight Commander, and The Emperor!

They were waiting for Arlan Vorlesh, and I would be there to greet those children who meant everything to me. Whether I had to face a dozen demon lords! A hundred of them! A thousand of them! The Abyss could throw every obstacle it had at my doorstep. There was nothing that could stop the anathema. What I had become? It would lead to transience. The ephemeral would overthrow the ethereal.

This world would not be the same. It will not be eternal. That stasis which had entrapped it? It will be no more, and it will be no more because that is what I have chosen!

In the grim darkness of the far future?

There was only hope.

<<X>>​

Leman Russ had been searching for it. That which he lost. Which he had relinquished. An heirloom of the past. When he was not lost in The Warp. He had embedded it into Yggdrasil, or whatever amounted to it in this realm. The Tree of Life, and many other names besides that one. The weapon had stood by him whenever he was alone. It was family. That blade had never failed him, and whenever he was in need of it?

The sword would make itself known.

It had a name, and it was Grunbeld. There was stories that had not always been the case, and that it had another name. Only Leman Russ could say for certain. The blade had divulged all things to the primarch. The Lord of Wolves was the person that had won the loyalty of it, and from that came a bounty of knowledge. Who his father had been. When war had not consumed the galaxy as it had. The stories were hard to believe, but if there was any truth to these tales? These myths that had been shrouded in mystery and hearsay?

Dragon Slayer would be salvation.

The wound had to be unmade, and it could only be unmade, if history was rewritten. The power to do this did not exist in The Imperium of Man. It did exist in this relic.

There was only one problem.

"It is a pleasure, brother." Angronius of Nuceria, the Daemon Prince, had been given a task. This great sword had to be concealed. It could not be found again. "The Lord of Wolves has come to my lovely abode."

Yggdrasil had been desecrated. The Tree of Life made to be a monument to death. It had been decorated with the corpses of countless valkyries. These sisters of battle who stood watch over it, if only for the sake of their duty. Who had been impaled on many of the branches. They fought bravely against The Lord of the Red Sands, but it was for naught. Angron was the epitome of what it meant to embody violence. He had inherited that. It was the only thing I had ever given him, and there was no escape from the mortification I felt now.

It was all poison. That which I had bequeathed to my children? There was always a price for it. This blood was no gift, and through it they had known parts of my soul. The Warp played no part in it. These were the flaws of a mortality that was unfiltered. They had to endure all that I was. Both good and bad. Both love and fury.

The grievous miracle did not come without any consequence.

The Red Thirst, and The Black Rage. The Flaw. Sanguinius was not the only one who had to live with that insatiable thirst. However, when The Brightest One had won against it? The Red Angel reveled in the act of lascivious barbarity. It was a comfort. When all things had been taken from him? War had come to claim him, and in the same way it had claimed Arlan Vorlesh. The Immaterium despoiled this holy land, and only for what one could claim was dreadful truculence.

This is what I was. This is what I could have been. This is what I deny now.

"Do you have anything to say? Anything at all, or will you die a mute?" The Red Angel would not hesitate. Not even against any of his siblings. "If silence is to be the last thing on your lips--"

"Only this, Angron." Leman Russ wears a condescending grin. Those fangs of his glistening, in this sacred realm which had been painted red, and left violated by the corruption of The Warp. "Do well to remember it." As if in response to this declaration? This plane began to convulse. There was a storm in the distance. The rain would wash away all of the blood.

It would purify this sin.

"I am the wind."

<<X>>​

The Heart of Darkness was born when murder was conceived. There was a brother, he held an envy, and that envy grew. He saw the love that he was denied. Envy would become hatred, and from that hatred? There came an idea. This idea would become an ambition of sorts, and from that ambition there came tragedy. The demise of the favored son, and the birth of malice.

This palpitation drew The Idea of Evil. The beat of this heart in everyone. There was no mortal who did not know of it, or who could escape it. The intimacy of this matrimony of sacrilege. This act of fratricide had become a contract. The price was not only his soul, but the soul of everyone like him. Those who had his blood. Which would be pumped in and out of every heart. Those children would prosper, and they would have children of their own. The heart would grow with every life, and those lives would nourish it. Until there was not a person on this Earth, that did not feel it, this beat.

This rhythm of frenzy.

The problem lied in the womb. That place from whence it came. Conception had led to divergence. Duality had been born. The destruction of the other? It had to be followed by the destruction of self. This was the balance.

The Heart of Darkness had to devour itself, in a way not unlike Ouroboros, and that was part of this purpose it had. It would eventually die, and all things would die with it. The covenant would be complete, this compact brought to a close, and renewal would come afterwards. There would be another Earth, and the people would call to it. This was the stability.

How many turns of the wheel had it been? The Idea of Evil had lost count. This link in the chain would be one of many, and the memories it had would begin to fade. Only purpose had the capacity to endure. Whether it was as a scapegoat, or as an excuse? The people always had need of it. It was easier than acknowledgment. Their guilt was a foe they could not understand, and did not want to even permit. This was the dependence.

These three things are what it served. It did not serve anything else. It could not serve anything else. It was like a machine, and it could not deviate. This was a program, and one that had been executed already. Which is why it had been disappointed by the conqueror. It had desired exquisite defeat, but the conqueror did not meet that expectation.

I did.

The Knight Commander of the Sixth Crusade. Arlan Vorlesh. That which bore the conqueror. Who would become a wandering specter entrapped in battle-scarred armor, and eventually return to the progenitor. The anathema. The Idea of Evil had found it. The death it had been seeking, and war which had clouded my vision. I was absolutely perfect.

I would be the executioner, and the absence of love would prevent any more interruptions. The wheel would turn. There would be no hesitation. It was war that would save it.

"No." I murmur. "It is not war."

It would be love.

It began with the death of Void. When Destiny's Embrace had disappeared? This Earth, that would become Holy Terra, had changed. It was like The Eclipse, but rather than being localized, the whole of this plane was drawn into it. Not just this planet, but the galaxy as well. I had no doubt the universe would be enveloped by it too.

This cascade of ether could only come from the birth or rather rebirth of a god. This was The Heart of Darkness as it truly was. The Idea of Evil made manifest. The heart was floating at the center of it all. That nexus where all the souls it had devoured lived. Their torment which had been unending, and I could hear their screams. This was my doing.

The death of this plane, and I was the harbinger. At least, that is what the heart thought. That I had come to answer that prayer. That I would be the hero. No, I was the villain of this story. I would challenge it. The natural. The nature of this world. The evil that had become the purpose of it. The corruption which I reviled.

If this was what world was? Then I would remake the world. It would be from the ashes of this monstrosity. This abomination. I would build my empire on these ruins of the past, and from it what would flourish? If not this love that I would venerate.

No more dead fathers and mothers. No more dead brothers and sisters. No more dead sons and daughters.

No more war. No more, no more, no more!

This was the end of tragedy, and it required of me a miracle. One that I no longer had, but there was always a way. I had learned that much. I could not use Radiance. That ardent grace would mean my end. This soul of mine was about to break. After it had been fractured by the effort of casting Wish.

The Godhand were all slain. I had made certain of that, and there was only one stitching I had left. That kept those shards of The God Emperor of Mankind fastened together.

That tied me to this dark god.

"
That was a mistake." I had every intention of using it. I had been at a loss. How could I sever everyone from The Heart of Darkness? The answer was that I couldn't, but I didn't even need to. I should have seen it but I didn't. That was because I had forgotten that I would not survive this. The solution I had been searching for?

I already had it.

I cast Tether Essence, using that stitching as a medium, and draw The Idea of Evil into myself. It becomes my heart. I embolden the spell with Conduit Surge, and pour as much of the ether as I can into it. I did not need to separate them all from this monster.

I only had to separate it from them.

I turn towards Guts Vorlesh, of House Vorlesh. The White Swordsman, and The White Wolf. The Lord of Wolves who I had nurtured into a hero. The son I could rely on.

"How about another spar?" I knew that he would triumph. He would not lose. "Do not disappoint me." Victory was always in his blood, in the very marrow of his bones, and in his heart. Whatever that obstacle would be? It would feel the bite of Dragon Slayer.

His father was no exception.

The White Wolf almost seems to recoil. He could sense it, and what I had done. The divinity that was afforded to him by birthright? It had expanded every faculty. All five of his senses, and it even granted him a sixth. This hyperactive intuition that had the ability to discern transcendental phenomena like this. "What the hell did you do? You crazy fucking bastard--"

The Eclipse is dismissed with a snap of my fingers, and the vortex of souls is torn asunder! They would be free, and their torment would end! That torture is of their past, and their deliverer was none other than Arlan Vorlesh!

Regardless of the protest of this treacherous heart beating inside of my chest. The Heart of Darkness was livid. It could not predict an action born out of love. The portfolio it had claimed hatred, and only that hatred. These deities were always constrained by their domains. If it had been war? It could have seen it. It would have anticipated this, but this was not part of the plan, and any dissent from it would amount to nothing. I was in control.

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It just had to remind me. The ring has been broken, and I have broken it. There will be no Earth that replaces this one, and your game is over. Die miserably. Die a failure. Die bereft of any purpose.

"Show me what you have become, my son."

I would make it count.

𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝕶𝖎𝖓𝖌
𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖛𝖚𝖘 𝕬𝖘𝖕𝖊𝖈𝖙

"Sanguinius always did wonder where those wings came from." They unfurl themselves from beneath my robes, and burst from my back. "If only I revealed the truth, and before he met his end at the Eternity Gate." Those black wings which I had inherited from my incarnation as The Crow, and which I would entrust with the most benevolent of my progeny. It was no wonder that I drew the attention of Andoletta. I was one of her flock.

Grandmother Crow watched over us all. Ember was my sister, and she had been sent as a lesson. That I would have an example of what The God Emperor of Mankind needed to be. That war had been a lie. This love was not. It never would be.

"If it is any consolation, Guts? I never asked for them." I was not Griffith, and I had no intention of becoming like him. "They are most unsettling."

I evoke Mordenkainen's Sword, and an entire plane of force is folded onto itself. The universe is reforged into a blade, and I reach for it, grasping it tightly in both of my hands. I could not use Radiance as I was now, but that did not mean I was ever helpless. Normally, this spell could only be used sparingly as an attack. I would wield it as my weapon, and eschew that tradition.

It was nothing compared to Dragon Slayer, but it would suffice. At the very least? It would be able to withstand the temporal abolition the great sword was known for.

"I am not going to do this, Arlan." The White Swordsman plants his blade into the ground. "I can't." Uncharacteristically? That crusader of mine began to tremble. If he did not have the strength to do this? I have only delayed the inevitable, and I would fall victim to the succor of that nightmarish heart.

"If you do not? The Heart of Darkness will prevail." That smile I had? It could only belong to a parent. "I am going to die anyway, and I would have my story end at the hands of someone I love." I tilt my head. "Why not?"

"Why not?" The White Wolf practically roars. How could I be this selfish? "Why not!" The wolf had become frenetic. This had to be a dream. This just had to be a nightmare. "I thought it was over."

"What was over?"

"The Eclipse... but it never ended."

"It did, Guts." The White Wolf had to know. That this was how he would ascend. This was his apotheosis, and in turn it would become mine. "I brought an end to it."

"No." The White Swordsman grips the hilt of Dragon Slayer, and the great sword ignites. "I don't think it did."

"It did." I affirm. "I promise."

The tremors begin to stop. Guts Vorlesh looked at Arlan Vorlesh, and he realized that truth. There were only a few things that he was certain of, and one of them was that a promise had power.

If anything could change the world? It had to be a promise.

"That is where it began. It is the grievous miracle. That promise made by my mother at the grave of Caelum Vorlesh, and which I inherited from her." I smile at him. "Which you will bear. This is an heirloom, Guts. It will remain when I am gone."

"I don't want this kind of inheritance!" The White Swordsman sobs. "I don't want any of this, if this is what I have to do!" The tears would flow freely.

"Oh, I think you will come to regard it with pride." There was a clarity. What exactly would come forth from this decision I made? It was laid bare before my eyes. The White Wolf who would journey to Faerûn. "It will be the way back home."

The hero who would slay The Dead Three, and lay waste to Avernus. Zariel brought to heel, and in the distance? I saw a tree.

Yggdrasil.

"Remember this: three lives, three deaths, three sacrifices. The second life, death, and sacrifice was never resolved. When I had cast myself into The Worldwound? The Idea of Evil had postponed it. Complete it." The God Emperor of Mankind needed to die. That was the only way he could be reborn. "If you manage to do that? I promise that I will return."

The God Emperor of Mankind as he was always meant to be. The Eye of Terror would be closed. The Warp would know of loss. I would begin my counterattack.

I would bring an order to the chaos.

"No waterworks, Guts." I assume a stance with Mordenkainen's Sword. "Time is of the essence."

"I hate you." The crusader prepares himself. "I won't forgive you." He grits his teeth. "Not for making me do this, Arlan."

"I know." There is something mischievous about my grin. "I want you to use it."

This feeling would be transformative. It would take that whelp I had met, and from it forge another grievous miracle. Those who watch can only be spectators. Their dice will be broken.

This destiny our own.

<<X>>​
At around 4000 words now. Just another 6000 to go.

Chapter 30: Apotheosis

"War always changes. It is the only thing that ever does. The way they are fought? The places they are fought in? The nations that fought in them? They always change. If you want a world that is worth living for? What you have got to change are people, because they never do. You never change. They never change. Change yourself. Change them. Change the world. Don't come to my doorstep, and complain about how it is impossible. Do it, because you got to. Do it, or none of this will ever mean anything. Do it, because you got somebody back home waiting for a fool like you."

- The Courier


The Godhand was no more. I had seen to it. This world, this Earth, which I had grown to love as my own, and which I would christen as Holy Terra? This universe would know of peace. This crystal sphere? The plane I had won by conquest. There was only one stitching in my soul that had persisted throughout it all, but it would not last. It would come undone, and it would come undone because I was not satisfied with this.

The Heart of Darkness had to answer for every crime. What it had done to every person on this planet. The Sword of Damocles was hungry for retribution, it was starving for justice, and it would collect on that life. Just as it had collected on the lives of every monster. I would not be denied, and I would meet the Abyss. I would become the bane of every demon lord. The Hero of Many Faces. Then I would return, but not as myself.

No, I would be The God Emperor of Mankind.

This I had woven. The choices I had made would be what led to my damnation, but there was a chance. It was with that grievous miracle. I would leave my Golden Throne, and I would save all of them. The Imperium of Man was not lost. The road I would need to tread had revealed itself, and at the end of it? There was a home. A house I could call my own. There were people I loved who were still waiting for The Crow, The Knight Commander, and The Emperor!

They were waiting for Arlan Vorlesh, and I would be there to greet those children who meant everything to me. Whether I had to face a dozen demon lords! A hundred of them! A thousand of them! The Abyss could throw every obstacle it had at my doorstep. There was nothing that could stop the anathema. What I had become? It would lead to transience. The ephemeral would overthrow the ethereal.

This world would not be the same. It will not be eternal. That stasis which had entrapped it? It will be no more, and it will be no more because that is what I have chosen!

In the grim darkness of the far future?

There was only hope.

<<X>>​

Leman Russ had been searching for it. That which he lost. Which he had relinquished. An heirloom of the past. When he was not lost in The Warp. He had embedded it into Yggdrasil, or whatever amounted to it in this realm. The Tree of Life, and many other names besides that one. The weapon had stood by him whenever he was alone. It was family. That blade had never failed him, and whenever he was in need of it?

The sword would make itself known.

It had a name, and it was Grunbeld. There was stories that had not always been the case, and that it had another name. Only Leman Russ could say for certain. The blade had divulged all things to the primarch. The Lord of Wolves was the person that had won the loyalty of it, and from that came a bounty of knowledge. Who his father had been. When war had not consumed the galaxy as it had. The stories were hard to believe, but if there was any truth to these tales? These myths that had been shrouded in mystery and hearsay?

Dragon Slayer would be salvation.

The wound had to be unmade, and it could only be unmade, if history was rewritten. The power to do this did not exist in The Imperium of Man. It did exist in this relic.

There was only one problem.

"It is a pleasure, brother." Angronius of Nuceria, the Daemon Prince, had been given a task. This great sword had to be concealed. It could not be found again. "The Lord of Wolves has come to my lovely abode."

Yggdrasil had been desecrated. The Tree of Life made to be a monument to death. It had been decorated with the corpses of countless valkyries. These sisters of battle who stood watch over it, if only for the sake of their duty. Who had been impaled on many of the branches. They fought bravely against The Lord of the Red Sands, but it was for naught. Angron was the epitome of what it meant to embody violence. He had inherited that. It was the only thing I had ever given him, and there was no escape from the mortification I felt now.

It was all poison. That which I had bequeathed to my children? There was always a price for it. This blood was no gift, and through it they had known parts of my soul. The Warp played no part in it. These were the flaws of a mortality that was unfiltered. They had to endure all that I was. Both good and bad. Both love and fury.

The grievous miracle did not come without any consequence.

The Red Thirst, and The Black Rage. The Flaw. Sanguinius was not the only one who had to live with that insatiable thirst. However, when The Brightest One had won against it? The Red Angel reveled in the act of lascivious barbarity. It was a comfort. When all things had been taken from him? War had come to claim him, and in the same way it had claimed Arlan Vorlesh. The Immaterium despoiled this holy land, and only for what one could claim was dreadful truculence.

This is what I was. This is what I could have been. This is what I deny now.

"Do you have anything to say? Anything at all, or will you die a mute?" The Red Angel would not hesitate. Not even against any of his siblings. "If silence is to be the last thing on your lips--"

"Only this, Angron." Leman Russ wears a condescending grin. Those fangs of his glistening, in this sacred realm which had been painted red, and left violated by the corruption of The Warp. "Do well to remember it." As if in response to this declaration? This plane began to convulse. There was a storm in the distance. The rain would wash away all of the blood.

It would purify this sin.

"I am the wind."

<<X>>​

The Heart of Darkness was born when murder was conceived. There was a brother, he held an envy, and that envy grew. He saw the love that he was denied. Envy would become hatred, and from that hatred? There came an idea. This idea would become an ambition of sorts, and from that ambition there came tragedy. The demise of the favored son, and the birth of malice.

This palpitation drew The Idea of Evil. The beat of this heart in everyone. There was no mortal who did not know of it, or who could escape it. The intimacy of this matrimony of sacrilege. This act of fratricide had become a contract. The price was not only his soul, but the soul of everyone like him. Those who had his blood. Which would be pumped in and out of every heart. Those children would prosper, and they would have children of their own. The heart would grow with every life, and those lives would nourish it. Until there was not a person on this Earth, that did not feel it, this beat.

This rhythm of frenzy.

The problem lied in the womb. That place from whence it came. Conception had led to divergence. Duality had been born. The destruction of the other? It had to be followed by the destruction of self. This was the balance.

The Heart of Darkness had to devour itself, in a way not unlike Ouroboros, and that was part of this purpose it had. It would eventually die, and all things would die with it. The covenant would be complete, this compact brought to a close, and renewal would come afterwards. There would be another Earth, and the people would call to it. This was the stability.

How many turns of the wheel had it been? The Idea of Evil had lost count. This link in the chain would be one of many, and the memories it had would begin to fade. Only purpose had the capacity to endure. Whether it was as a scapegoat, or as an excuse? The people always had need of it. It was easier than acknowledgment. Their guilt was a foe they could not understand, and did not want to even permit. This was the dependence.

These three things are what it served. It did not serve anything else. It could not serve anything else. It was like a machine, and it could not deviate. This was a program, and one that had been executed already. Which is why it had been disappointed by the conqueror. It had desired exquisite defeat, but the conqueror did not meet that expectation.

I did.

The Knight Commander of the Sixth Crusade. Arlan Vorlesh. That which bore the conqueror. Who would become a wandering specter entrapped in battle-scarred armor, and eventually return to the progenitor. The anathema. The Idea of Evil had found it. The death it had been seeking, and war which had clouded my vision. I was absolutely perfect.

I would be the executioner, and the absence of love would prevent any more interruptions. The wheel would turn. There would be no hesitation. It was war that would save it.

"No." I murmur. "It is not war."

It would be love.

It began with the death of Void. When Destiny's Embrace had disappeared? This Earth, that would become Holy Terra, had changed. It was like The Eclipse, but rather than being localized, the whole of this plane was drawn into it. Not just this planet, but the galaxy as well. I had no doubt the universe would be enveloped by it too.

This cascade of ether could only come from the birth or rather rebirth of a god. This was The Heart of Darkness as it truly was. The Idea of Evil made manifest. The heart was floating at the center of it all. That nexus where all the souls it had devoured lived. Their torment which had been unending, and I could hear their screams. This was my doing.

The death of this plane, and I was the harbinger. At least, that is what the heart thought. That I had come to answer that prayer. That I would be the hero. No, I was the villain of this story. I would challenge it. The natural. The nature of this world. The evil that had become the purpose of it. The corruption which I reviled.

If this was what world was? Then I would remake the world. It would be from the ashes of this monstrosity. This abomination. I would build my empire on these ruins of the past, and from it what would flourish? If not this love that I would venerate.

No more dead fathers and mothers. No more dead brothers and sisters. No more dead sons and daughters.

No more war. No more, no more, no more!

This was the end of tragedy, and it required of me a miracle. One that I no longer had, but there was always a way. I had learned that much. I could not use Radiance. That ardent grace would mean my end. This soul of mine was about to break. After it had been fractured by the effort of casting Wish.

The Godhand were all slain. I had made certain of that, and there was only one stitching I had left. That kept those shards of The God Emperor of Mankind fastened together.

That tied me to this dark god.

"
That was a mistake." I had every intention of using it. I had been at a loss. How could I sever everyone from The Heart of Darkness? The answer was that I couldn't, but I didn't even need to. I should have seen it but I didn't. That was because I had forgotten that I would not survive this. The solution I had been searching for?

I already had it.

I cast Tether Essence, using that stitching as a medium, and draw The Idea of Evil into myself. It becomes my heart. I embolden the spell with Conduit Surge, and pour as much of the ether as I can into it. I did not need to separate them all from this monster.

I only had to separate it from them.

I turn towards Guts Vorlesh, of House Vorlesh. The White Swordsman, and The White Wolf. The Lord of Wolves who I had nurtured into a hero. The son I could rely on.

"How about another spar?" I knew that he would triumph. He would not lose. "Do not disappoint me." Victory was always in his blood, in the very marrow of his bones, and in his heart. Whatever that obstacle would be? It would feel the bite of Dragon Slayer.

His father was no exception.

The White Wolf almost seems to recoil. He could sense it, and what I had done. The divinity that was afforded to him by birthright? It had expanded every faculty. All five of his senses, and it even granted him a sixth. This hyperactive intuition that had the ability to discern transcendental phenomena like this. "What the hell did you do? You crazy fucking bastard--"

The Eclipse is dismissed with a snap of my fingers, and the vortex of souls is torn asunder! They would be free, and their torment would end! That torture is of their past, and their deliverer was none other than Arlan Vorlesh!

Regardless of the protest of this treacherous heart beating inside of my chest. The Heart of Darkness was livid. It could not predict an action born out of love. The portfolio it had claimed hatred, and only that hatred. These deities were always constrained by their domains. If it had been war? It could have seen it. It would have anticipated this, but this was not part of the plan, and any dissent from it would amount to nothing. I was in control.

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It just had to remind me. The ring has been broken, and I have broken it. There will be no Earth that replaces this one, and your game is over. Die miserably. Die a failure. Die bereft of any purpose.

"Show me what you have become, my son."

I would make it count.

𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝕶𝖎𝖓𝖌
𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖛𝖚𝖘 𝕬𝖘𝖕𝖊𝖈𝖙

"Sanguinius always did wonder where those wings came from." They unfurl themselves from beneath my robes, and burst from my back. "If only I revealed the truth, and before he met his end at the Eternity Gate." Those black wings which I had inherited from my incarnation as The Crow, and which I would entrust with the most benevolent of my progeny. It was no wonder that I drew the attention of Andoletta. I was one of her flock.

Grandmother Crow watched over us all. Ember was my sister, and she had been sent as a lesson. That I would have an example of what The God Emperor of Mankind needed to be. That war had been a lie. This love was not. It never would be.

"If it is any consolation, Guts? I never asked for them." I was not Griffith, and I had no intention of becoming like him. "They are most unsettling."

I evoke Mordenkainen's Sword, and an entire plane of force is folded onto itself. The universe is reforged into a blade, and I reach for it, grasping it tightly in both of my hands. I could not use Radiance as I was now, but that did not mean I was ever helpless. Normally, this spell could only be used sparingly as an attack. I would wield it as my weapon, and eschew that tradition.

It was nothing compared to Dragon Slayer, but it would suffice. At the very least? It would be able to withstand the temporal abolition the great sword was known for.

"I am not going to do this, Arlan." The White Swordsman plants his blade into the ground. "I can't." Uncharacteristically? That crusader of mine began to tremble. If he did not have the strength to do this? I have only delayed the inevitable, and I would fall victim to the succor of that nightmarish heart.

"If you do not? The Heart of Darkness will prevail." That smile I had? It could only belong to a parent. "I am going to die anyway, and I would have my story end at the hands of someone I love." I tilt my head. "Why not?"

"Why not?" The White Wolf practically roars. How could I be this selfish? "Why not!" The wolf had become frenetic. This had to be a dream. This just had to be a nightmare. "I thought it was over."

"What was over?"

"The Eclipse... but it never ended."

"It did, Guts." The White Wolf had to know. That this was how he would ascend. This was his apotheosis, and in turn it would become mine. "I brought an end to it."

"No." The White Swordsman grips the hilt of Dragon Slayer, and the great sword ignites. "I don't think it did."

"It did." I affirm. "I promise."

The tremors begin to stop. Guts Vorlesh looked at Arlan Vorlesh, and he realized that truth. There were only a few things that he was certain of, and one of them was that a promise had power.

If anything could change the world? It had to be a promise.

"That is where it began. It is the grievous miracle. That promise made by my mother at the grave of Caelum Vorlesh, and which I inherited from her." I smile at him. "Which you will bear. This is an heirloom, Guts. It will remain when I am gone."

"I don't want this kind of inheritance!" The White Swordsman sobs. "I don't want any of this, if this is what I have to do!" The tears would flow freely.

"Oh, I think you will come to regard it with pride." There was a clarity. What exactly would come forth from this decision I made? It was laid bare before my eyes. The White Wolf who would journey to Faerûn. "It will be the way back home."

The hero who would slay The Dead Three, and lay waste to Avernus. Zariel brought to heel, and in the distance? I saw a tree.

Yggdrasil.

"Remember this: three lives, three deaths, three sacrifices. The second life, death, and sacrifice was never resolved. When I had cast myself into The Worldwound? The Idea of Evil had postponed it. Complete it." The God Emperor of Mankind needed to die. That was the only way he could be reborn. "If you manage to do that? I promise that I will return."

The God Emperor of Mankind as he was always meant to be. The Eye of Terror would be closed. The Warp would know of loss. I would begin my counterattack.

I would bring an order to the chaos.

"No waterworks, Guts." I assume a stance with Mordenkainen's Sword. "Time is of the essence."

"I hate you." The crusader prepares himself. "I won't forgive you." He grits his teeth. "Not for making me do this, Arlan."

"I know." There is something mischievous about my grin. "I want you to use it."

This feeling would be transformative. It would take that whelp I had met, and from it forge another grievous miracle. Those who watch can only be spectators. Their dice will be broken.

This destiny our own.

<<X>>​

Mjalnar had been broken. The frost blade failing to pierce the hide of Angronius of Nuceria, and Leman Russ is flung backwards by a swipe of noxious claws. Elavagar is fractured by the blow, and the artificer armor fails this primarch. It had survived the Horus Heresy, but it did not survive this. If not for luck?

The Lord of Wolves would have died.

"Did you not learn from Krakenmaw?" The Red Angel snorts, and brushes away the shards of the frost blade that had embedded themselves in his carapace. "This weakness is because of your mortality. Accept the Ruinous Powers, if you mean to win." Angron growls in displeasure. "Swear fealty, and become death. Imagine it. War everlasting!"

There was no death in The Warp, for all things beholden to it? They had become immortal. There was eternity in service, but who would ever want that?

"War everlasting?" Leman Russ already knew what that was like. "No, I have had my fill of war everlasting." Ten-thousand years of tragedy. The Imperium of Man made to be a mockery of what it had represented. Only the highborn, those despicable nobles, had managed to reap a bounty from it. They call themselves the finest, but they were the worst. The Emperor would have seen to their punishment personally. Leman Russ knew that much.

How I abhorred a tyrant, but I had turned that ire towards the clergy instead. I had become a tyrant myself!

Uriah Olathaire, if only I had heeded your warning. I was wrong but my arrogance had turned my vision towards war. Sanguinius had wisdom I did not. The people had to be free. There was no world in which my proposal would have worked. I could not starve those lurking in The Warp. The Immaterium would last, and what it would become? It rested entirely in the hands of those who lived in this galaxy!

It had been known as the Abyss, but after I routed every demon lord as The Hero of Many Faces, and cleansed it of that corruption? It had become malleable. Permeable in ways unknown to any. The people had become the master of it. Their feelings, their thoughts, their imaginations, and their dreams? They would paint that canvas.

Otherwise, I would have to sterilize everything that made mortals worthy of life to begin with. They would become like any servitor. Those slaves stripped of their identity, and malformed into drones. I would have to abolish it. That practice was unseemly, and definitely absent of any morality.

The rot in my empire was everywhere. I had a lot of work to do, if I was to rebuild it from the ashes. I had to pray. I grew to loathe it in this life, but I had to do it.

If only for the sake of my legacy.

That spark of divinity had fled. It had gone with death, and the life that Guts Vorlesh had lived as The White Wolf. Only my own blood could be found in his veins. Fenrir had gone silent, but there was something else.

There was a fire. A light in the darkness. This was a sun waiting to be born.

It was a grievous miracle.
 
All I can say is thank God they aren't remaking X or XIII if this is the shit they're doing to VII. :kobeha

Feel bad for IX fans though as we basically know that's happening. :mjpls
Wont lie I’m hype asf for IX :mjpls

Man, you have far more optimism than I ever could...
I can see the millions of ways they fuck over the FFIX Remake by missing the point like they did with VII:

  • They focus way more on the Terra/Gaia connection than reasonably necessary(or worse, add in Lifestream parallels just because)
  • Unironically make Zidane similar to Cloud and Squall in terms of wearing his issues on his sleeve rather than a single moment that shows how much he wants to know who he is
  • Remove alot of Beatrix's punch so she "can be seen more favorably" rather than be seen as an unstoppable monster for the early game because "people complained she got off too light in the original game"... that or do what they did with The Turks and have the party unreasonably despise her just to come off like dumbasses that won't kill her off.
  • Make Kuja way too sympathetic and far more "in your face" ala Sephiroth rather than the man who did enjoy killing and murder because it was the only way he could express himself(That and remove the childish intentions to make him come off more adult and ruin the point)
  • Tie in Mikoto too deep into the plot in a bad way rather than simply expand upon her being the potential 3rd Angel of Death that never happened and the voice of the Genomes
  • Ultimately cut down on Queen Brahne's crimes because "Fuck you"
  • Have Vivi live at the end because "He's the most popular character in FFIX, we can't kill him off" and completely miss the point.
 

shade0180

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Man, you have far more optimism than I ever could...
I can see the millions of ways they fuck over the FFIX Remake by missing the point like they did with VII:

  • They focus way more on the Terra/Gaia connection than reasonably necessary(or worse, add in Lifestream parallels just because)
  • Unironically make Zidane similar to Cloud and Squall in terms of wearing his issues on his sleeve rather than a single moment that shows how much he wants to know who he is
  • Remove alot of Beatrix's punch so she "can be seen more favorably" rather than be seen as an unstoppable monster for the early game because "people complained she got off too light in the original game"... that or do what they did with The Turks and have the party unreasonably despise her just to come off like dumbasses that won't kill her off.
  • Make Kuja way too sympathetic and far more "in your face" ala Sephiroth rather than the man who did enjoy killing and murder because it was the only way he could express himself(That and remove the childish intentions to make him come off more adult and ruin the point)
  • Tie in Mikoto too deep into the plot in a bad way rather than simply expand upon her being the potential 3rd Angel of Death that never happened and the voice of the Genomes
  • Ultimately cut down on Queen Brahne's crimes because "Fuck you"
  • Have Vivi live at the end because "He's the most popular character in FFIX, we can't kill him off" and completely miss the point.
You know what the worst shit they can do to zidane rip his personality as a fucking person who loves to flirt nad turn him into a new total beta shit.
 

lokoxDZz

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That's what you get when you ask for "remakes" of games from people who obviously don't understand what made the original so beloved in the first place and who have actively tried to change their whole series to appeal to/appease westerners. :maybe

The fact people are still asking for remakes of other FF games after these disasters, is baffling to me.
Just consume, stop thinking
 

Qinglong

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@Adamant soul , is the space hitler and vampires for real?


It's not a joke

 

TrueG 37

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I'm usually not a person to kick a man while it's down... but fuck off TvTropes, just fuck off:




:facepalm

A reminder, you Corneo ultimately dies to The Turks in the original game doing the Wutai Sidequest(Which is seemingly how the 3rd Remake game is gonna go) so this is already stupid as fuck. Secondly in Remake, you basically destroyed Corneo's entire gig which makes them acting like he's a "Karma Houdini" to be completely retarded and third:
How the fuck did Corneo get enough funds to threaten a buyout of The Golden Saucer anyway?!



"Wow, we really did good in kicking the mech's ass and had her retreat due to wholly different reasons than the party doing so, we really got her good this time"



YOU LITERALLY DID NOTHING TO SEPHIROTH! Acting as if making him madder because he somehow didn't believe Aerith would fuck him over despite fucking over all timelines(which would include her being in it) wouldn't have that happen is just monumentally stupid. And again, this is based on ultimately JUST pissing Sephiroth off, not killing him, not doing any massive inconvenience, just pissing him off... wow.

:tripscust



TRYING TO COMPARE THE INFLECTIONS OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES WHEN THAT SHIT DOESN'T EXIST IN ENGLISH IS FUCKING WANK! Like I'll be real, it's extremely weird hearing Red XIII having a literal teenage voice rather than the "Old Wise Man" voice because there has never been a single time he hasn't had it in the perspective of English goers. Trying to put this as "Older Than You Think" doesn't work like that, especially for a text based game(You could potentially do it by having Red talk like an old man and then suddenly throw in modern slang when we reach those points but that would not work).



There are ALOT of spots in Rebirth where the game is horrifically lengthened by huger degrees than it is necessary and they actually mention plenty of spots... worse part is that we NEVER visit Rocket Town so yeah, entirety of Cid's characterization is fucking GONE.



No, she doesn't, hell, it's even worse as she tends to actually validate Cloud's crazy even moreso than she did in the original while allowing him to delude himself in the worst moments. She only challenges him ONCE and barely at that.



I talked about this before, no one had any real issue with this part, what people hated was more of why Caith Sith was a party member at all.



"Wow, Character Development? Nah fuck that, Cid can't be mean to Shera at all for what he believed was her fault that his dreams was ruined! Let's just take away EVERYTHING ABOUT CID so he was always a nice guy, fucking perfect!"



Except only THEY are aware of it and not, you know, the rank and file who absolutely should know about their existence!



Then why aren't they trying to kill them then?! They can threaten Corneo for the shit he pulled but not actually kill Elena how many times they had her to their mercy? And she may be a newbie, but she's still a killer.



Wow, I didn't even see that, holy shit:maury

Sephiroth isn't just stealing from Ultimecia but now the Ascians too?! Fuck me, give this nigga a fucking break if you can't keep the man consistent in his goals.
Corneo ultimately dies

Corneo is revealed to still be alive in compilation novels. Permanently stuck in a wheelchair but trying to help out after meteorfall


Sorta a yes and no situation with that. You can't really translate his words per se because Japan (he switches from Watashi for his old voice. Which insinuates him being this old fashioned refined wise old guy who thinks highly of himself to Oire or something like that if I recall, which is extremely casual and youthful). It isn't just a dialect thing, his "voice" (text shit sorta I know) and demeanor changes completely to that of a teenager. It's supposed to be just as weird and off-putting as it sounds. It's one of those situations/nuances in translations that an equivalent exists or is close to it kinda but not really. Og ff7 is full of that sorta shit cause the one(literally one:mjlol) poor bastard they got to translate that game had to do all of this by himself. He is a bit more childish in og when the reveal happens but still.
Doesn't help that beforehand Red 13 only had one line of dialog in Advent Children so it comes off as extra weird to us:mjlol



Don't even get me started on my nigga Cid:catcry . I miss when the dude joined cause he had nothing better to do after Shinra screwed him again and wanted to join in on the gangs perceived dumbassary before eventually caring for real. By the end of the game his decision to save the world is probably more selfless than everyone else's tbh. I'll take the stupidity of everything relating to Shera for that Cid to come back :catcry.


They really were better off before with them just being an obstacle that run the hell away when they get their ass kicked :skully. Calling them out for their cruelty is fine and dandy but killing them when you can is too far I guess:mjlol.
 

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Speaking of the old translation for Ff7. Figuring out the translations for Bizarro Sephiroth is actually Rebirth Sephiroth (hey wait a minute! :mjpls) made sense of certain things. I can sorta get why he changed it since you could either get Rebirth or Reverse because katakana shit and he probably just went fuck it but still.
 
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