I mean he held a black hole in his hand & patched up a worm-hole with static electricity,
Pluss all the space time anihhilation resistence he has.
Just read the edit, he can't channel it into a big bang. In fact it's stated the gem is basically useless outside of its dream manipulation when not inside the pocket dimension. However the respect blogs wankers have it listed never like to mention that.See the edit I made to my post.
Also, are you saying that the Phantom Zone isn't a literal realm/dimension?
EDIT: Another thing to point out is that even if he (or anyone else) was legit "universal", getting a few hits on him doesn't in any way make everyone who did so just as powerful.
Just read the edit, he can't channel it into a big bang. In fact it's stated the gem is basically useless outside of its dream manipulation when not inside the pocket dimension. However the respect blogs wankers have it listed never like to mention that.
Phantom Zone is a realm residing in the Godsphere. That's seen in the Multiversity map IIRC and also I could be wrong but it's malleable to strong emotions from Kryptonians and the Godsphere 's bread and butter is higher emotional or platonic concepts manipulating things because space-time isn't a factor anymore. I do believe it is a literal realm, just residing within the Godsphere.
I assume this is a 50s/60s story? The Bronze Age at least occasionally tries to take itself seriously but if it's silver age I'd say, Death Metal or not, take it as a plain wrong inconsistency that's not so much retconned as much ignored totally (So like Death of the New Gods or Countdown). It's just Silver Age being Silver Age. The logistics and idea of the phantom zone were not fully fleshed out yet. It's similar to how Mxy was 6-D instead of 5-D some early golden age stories. That's really the best thing I can explain.I recently covered a Silver Age story (which are still canon due to the recent retcons) where there was a bomb that was capable of blowing the entire Phantom Zone, and all of its inhabitants, into 'a far distant universe', so it could no longer be accessed from the Earth-One universe. What would you say about that as a feat? (In case you're wondering, no, it doesn't scale to anyone).
I assume this is a 50s/60s story? The Bronze Age at least occasionally tries to take itself seriously but if it's silver age I'd say, Death Metal or not, take it as a plain wrong inconsistency that's not so much retconned as much ignored totally (So like Death of the New Gods or Countdown). It's just Silver Age being Silver Age. The logistics and idea of the phantom zone were not fully fleshed out yet. It's similar to how Mxy was 6-D instead of 5-D some early golden age stories. That's really the best thing I can explain.
The idea of a Sphere of the Gods wasn't fleshed out well either yet, with Apokolipse/New Genesis (Well the emanations of them) sometimes being their own pocket universe, sometimes being very far away from Earth. It's just something better clarified, a retcon. The first time as I know where it's shown to be its own dimension was in New Gods in 1996, but even there it's just a larger realm, not the transcedental plane of thoughts and feelings Morrison asserts it as. I have a way to explain it and it makes sense but that's for a different thread.
Edit: On second thought, the Phantom Zone could work similar to Apokolipse/New Genesis where each universe has their own Phantom Zone too, sort of a lower emanation shadow of the true Phantom Zone which resides in the Godsphere. That explains why other universes in the multiverse has their own interpretations
Really, I've been avoiding Pre-Crisis stories like the plague. I don't know which I am more scared of reading, the dull trash of Post-Flashpoint or the inconsistent neuroticism of Pre-Crisis days
Well there were shown to be different Phantom Zones for different universes even in those days. So it would be capable of blasting one of those Phantom Zones to a completely different universe.
I recently covered a Silver Age story (which are still canon due to the recent retcons) where there was a bomb that was capable of blowing the entire Phantom Zone, and all of its inhabitants, into 'a far distant universe', so it could no longer be accessed from the Earth-One universe. What would you say about that as a feat? (In case you're wondering, no, it doesn't scale to anyone).
I would just like to add that at least with the Earth One Phantom Zone—it’s literally a Sentient Dimension called Aethyr according to the Superman: Phantom Zone storyline
I haven't read Sandman stuff yet but simply by the fact that the Endless reside on the same ontological level as Nekron and the Life Entity, the Lords of Order and Chaos, all the Pantheons, and the true form of the New Gods is pretty impressive.Yeah, I heard of that, hope to get to that eventually.
Also, another thing struck me regarding the Red King incident. Sure, the power of his Materioptikon doesn't scale to the JLA or anything (since he couldn't really control it or use its reality warping powers as a direct weapon), but you know who it should scale to?
Dream of the Endless, as it's really just a cheap knock-off copy of his original Dreamstone. So something that can create billions of universes is just an inferior bootleg version of one of the artifacts that Dream created. Nice.
is it only destiny that is higher than those entities? I was under the impression all of the Endless were (constantly heard Nekron is just one of many aspects of Death of the Endless)I haven't read Sandman stuff yet but simply by the fact that the Endless reside on the same ontological level as Nekron and the Life Entity, the Lords of Order and Chaos, all the Pantheons, and the true form of the New Gods is pretty impressive.
is it only destiny that is higher than those entities? I was under the impression all of the Endless were (constantly heard Nekron is just one of many aspects of Death of the Endless)
I haven't read Sandman stuff yet but simply by the fact that the Endless reside on the same ontological level as Nekron and the Life Entity, the Lords of Order and Chaos, all the Pantheons, and the true form of the New Gods is pretty impressive.
im referring to the multiverse map being inside of Destiny’s Book which makes him>Nekron and New Gods and was wondering if anything even vaguely close applies for the other EndlessDestiny is one of the Endless.
They are all below the likes of Lucifer (and likely many others but Lucifer was directly shown in his series to be above them).
It's said that Death will eventually take Destiny as the last being to die, unless that's been retconned.im referring to the multiverse map being inside of Destiny’s Book which makes him>Nekron and New Gods and was wondering if anything even vaguely close applies for the other Endless
It says she’ll eventually close the door to all creationIt's said that Death will eventually take Destiny as the last being to die, unless that's been retconned.
It says she’ll eventually close the door to all creation
Who tf created that Door is another 50¢ all together
She’ll be the final Endless, yeah. You’re not wring.I'm pretty sure it was explicitly stated she would eventually take Destiny as well.
The Presence would have to be the creator of the door... I suppose.
EndlessMike might be able to correct me here. I actually have the Sandman saga book but never read it through. Maybe I should.Also @Endless Mike @Maddie
I’d like to note that the version Post-Crisis Superman is fighting is Earth 2 Superman, the original Superman
It’s noted that although he started off not being that strong compared to your current typical Superman, he eventually grew in strength to the point that he could fight evenly with Silver Age “So Fast He Can Enter Heaven” Superman to the point they can double KO each other
However unlike Post-Crisis and Silver Age, Golden Age Superman gets weaker as he gets older, and in the next crossover it was noted he was weaker than Silver Age Superman and Captain Marvel due to age.
Then in Crisis it wasn’t especially noted he was weaker, although in a story just before that it was implied that Powergirl became stronger due to her and Silver Age Superman being summoned in the Bronze Age over Golden Age Superman.
So him fighting evenly with Post-Crisis Superman in Infinite Crisis and fucking with space and time might actually be a downgrade for Golden Age Superman in that sense, considering in his Prime he could trade blows with a Superman that could cancel out enough Green Lantern energy that merged/eliminated multiple timelines with the shockwaves of his punches.
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