One Piece Tier/Feat/Canon/Toei Discussion Thread Part 3: Road to star level

[ChaosTheory123]

I'll be rereading the whole series and redoing the Tier list.

Chaos will do all the Wano and WCi calcs.

WCI has been done for... like the last half year? I just haven't felt like doing the write up

Also because I can't think of a good way to properly derive a time frame for Zunesha's feat. PE and using Zunesha's upscaled elephant KE would really undersell it tbh.

 

[B Rabbit]

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See the problem with Vs Battle scaling is they add all these imaginary buffs to characters that mess with the scaling.

They scale Zoro after 4x buff Hyouzo but Luffy can't scale to Sanji?

Also SW is Canon there, and it might as well be here. But the simplest solution is Shiki's feats can't be scaled to Luffy.

Also I like the Dolfamingo string idea. I would bring it here but it brings alot of mess that quite frankly I just don't have the time to deal with it. Because it would be wanted to high heaven.

Also he said no one knows how to Calc Whitebeards quakes. But we have two posters here who have done it effectively.

Idk it seems all their scaling problems are self inflicted.

They got all the answers to the test but choose not to9 answer them correctly.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

im iffy on strong world being canon, oda would have mentioned it or referenced it. if he hasn't even confirmed film red being canon then eh

it's obvious shiki's a canon character but him encountering Luffy has never been mentioned in the main story at all

 

[Solar Sailor]

im iffy on strong world being canon, oda would have mentioned it or referenced it. if he hasn't even confirmed film red being canon then eh

it's obvious shiki's a canon character but him encountering Luffy has never been mentioned in the main story at all

We know Vomi is canon to Super but I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball FighterZ isnt canon to Super

 

[Syla]

I guess the argument boils down to how much does it contradict the main storyline. Since they said Oda wrote SW. It depends on the overlap until something comes to contradict that it's not canon.

 

[B Rabbit]

I think Oda said somewhere the movies are just as important as the manga but said all the main stuff will be in the manga.

I think that basically says, you the fan can make the movies Canon for you.

For me I have Z and SW as Canon. As they can fit in the timeline.

But it's a personal preference it doesn't mean it's the the hobbies preference.

 

[B Rabbit]

It doesn't help that Oda puts Canon information in these movies.

Shiki, Pink Bunny and Brown Pig, Laugh Tale, and now Shanks' daughter.

 

[Syla]

There's also the fact that Anime luffy is stronger than Manga version but the movies are isolated to the anime in general.

So powerscaling doesn't really suffer in that aspect? I don't know maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Syla]

The only thing that throws me off is that Shiki is a Top tier and luffy beat him pre-skip.

So you'd have to say that this version of Shiki is much weaker than the Prime version.

 

[B Rabbit]

What they are trying to do. Is use Shiki's feats in the movie to scale to Op top tiers. However the problem is Luffy beat Shiki. So they are arguing outlier vs. Anti-feat.

 

[Syla]

What they are trying to do. Is use Shiki's feats in the movie to scale to Op top tiers. However the problem is Luffy beat Shiki. So they are arguing outlier vs. Anti-feat.

For the OBD, Shiki's feats don't make much of a difference, maybe for them since they have G4 luffy at like Island level and preskip much lower?

 

[B Rabbit]

For the OBD, Shiki's feats don't make much of a difference, maybe for them since they have G4 luffy at like Island level?

They have weird scaling. I think they have DR characters at country level and ToP Tiers at Continent level.

 

[B Rabbit]

For the OBD, Shiki's feats don't make much of a difference, maybe for them since they have G4 luffy at like Island level and preskip much lower?

I think Shiki is the one with the feat of continent.

 

[Syla]

Oh, maybe I'm confusing something, tbh I just skimmed through that place, kinda a headache to look at. We can ignore them though, but come to a consensus on our own about the canoncity of SW.

But their points aren't bad. Just a little off at most.

 

[B Rabbit]

Oh, maybe I'm confusing something, tbh I just skimmed through that place, kinda a headache to look at. We can ignore them though, but come to a consensus on our own about the canoncity of SW.

But their points aren't bad. Just a little off at most.

I think the canoncity of SW doesn't really matter here as Shiki just scales to the top tier put out anyways and the feats he has in his movie won't really budge the series moving forward. IMHO.

We are all in agreement that his is Canon and he is a top tier. Which tbh is all that matters for us.

 

[B Rabbit]

Fun fact:

Pre SW everyone thought Senvoku was weak and didn't fight. Like 95% of the OP fandom.

 

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[OtherGalaxy]

what we know of canon shiki is hilariously enough to place him in the top 5 without a single real appearance

 

[Blade]

kidd and law >> L drake and hawkinsZzzZ