Othinus vs Aradia

[Darth Zion]

We're at a bit of an impasse then, either they're not infinite, or Aradia's amplification lets her somehow become infinite in stats

No, you're straight up ignoring what the story tells us at this point.

My argument is that the statement about Aradia can be interpreted differently to apply nerfed Magic Gods instead of full power ones whereas your argument is that NONE of the statements are true despite multiple of them saying Magic Gods have infinite power, that too out of spite.

 

[Astaro]

Othinus = / = the two members of true Gremlin I just posted about.

If you have a quote that actually says the power of true Gremlin varies, then post it.

Again, freshly created Magic Gods that just started their ascension. Even Othinus after centuries of honing her craft didn’t reach their level

So why assume High Priest and Nephthys when they just started out are already as strong as they are?

Basic shit that doesn’t need to be explained to you. Or the fact that having to nerf themselves to enter the universe is what ends up screwing them over is pointless if they didn’t really have to

Try again.

 

[Paxton]

No, you're straight up ignoring what the story tells us at this point.

My argument is that the statement about Aradia can be interpreted differently to apply nerfed Magic Gods instead of full power ones whereas your argument is that NONE of the statements are true despite multiple of them saying Magic Gods have infinite power, that too out of spite.

Why would it be referring to nerfed Magic Gods (i.e. after Aleister's nerf)?

 

[Darth Zion]

Again, freshly created Magic Gods that just started their ascension. Even Othinus after centuries of honing her craft didn’t reach their level

That's also true, no reason to assume Magic Gods start at infinity when Othinus demonstrably did not.

Why would it be referring to nerfed Magic Gods (i.e. after Aleister's nerf)?

Because True Magic Gods in the Hidden World have infinite stats and there is no way to reach their level by simply multiplying your power by three.

 

[Paxton]

Again, freshly created Magic Gods that just started their ascension. Even Othinus after centuries of honing her craft didn’t reach their level

So why assume High Priest and Nephthys when they just started out are already as strong as they are?

Basic shit that doesn’t need to be explained to you. Or the fact that having to nerf themselves to enter the universe is what ends up screwing them over is pointless if they didn’t really have to

Try again.

Because there's no statement that you can become a "more powerful" Magic God after already becoming one.

The entire stalemate they have falls apart if that's possible.

 

[Astaro]

Why would it be referring to nerfed Magic Gods (i.e. after Aleister's nerf)?

Let’s play your stupid semantics game @Paxton but this times right back at you.

That is your stupid game of asking for incredibly specific citations that you of course don’t apply for your own arguments.

Citation on where it says it would not be referring to nerfed Magic Gods?

Because there's no statement that you can become a "more powerful" Magic God after already becoming one.

The entire stalemate they have falls apart if that's possible.

The fact that Othinus is inferior to them shows there’s a difference in power.

Try again, mouth breather

 

[Darth Zion]

The entire stalemate they have falls apart if that's possible

That's not true. It could just be that they have reached the maximum cap of their power by turning infinite and have no way to grow any stronger, making all of them who have reach that level equal in power.

That also creates a stalemate.

 

[Paxton]

That's also true, no reason to assume Magic Gods start at infinity when Othinus demonstrably did not.

Because True Magic Gods in the Hidden World have infinite stats and there is no way to reach their level by simply multiplying your power by three.

Well then they're not actually infinite. You can't grow your power over time and then suddenly become infinite.

Othinus and true Gremlin aren't even in the same category of Magic God - Othinus inspired the Norse myth, while the members of true Gremlin (bar maybe the Forgotten God) did not.

 

[Paxton]

Let’s play your stupid semantics game @Paxton but this times right back at you.

That is your stupid game of asking for incredibly specific citations that you of course don’t apply for your own arguments.

Citation on where it says it would not be referring to nerfed Magic Gods?


The fact that Othinus is inferior to them shows there’s a difference in power.

Try again, mouth breather

Because Othinus is a fundamentally different Magic God compared to them.

Othinus needs a spiritual item to unify her possibilities, true Gremlin Magic Gods do not. It's not suggested to be because of "training" whatsoever.

 

[Paxton]

If you can't handle having an argument with me without name calling then hop off the internet for a while.

 

[Astaro]

And Othinus is a fundamentally different Magic God compared to them.

No she isn’t, just weaker

Othinus needs a spiritual item to unify her possibilities, true Gremlin Magic Gods do not. It's not suggested to be because of "training" whatsoever.

For no other reason other then they don’t need a Spiritual Item like Gungnir to utilize their power. Kinda goes with them being superior to her

 

[Paxton]

No she isn’t, just weaker

For no other reason other then they don’t need a Spiritual Item like Gungnir to utilize their power. Kinda goes with them being superior to her

She's weaker BECAUSE she's fundamentally different to them.

That's part of why they call her a failure/why she needs Gungnir to stabilize her power.

 

[Astaro]

She's weaker BECAUSE she's fundamentally different to them.

That's part of why they call her a failure/why she needs Gungnir.

Because she’s weaker and nothing else further elaborated

Try again

 

[Paxton]

The only thing that could explain the difference is if they're fundamentally not the same in regards to their existence as Magic Gods (which they aren't).

 

[Darth Zion]

You can't grow your power over time and then suddenly become infinite.

Not grow as in their shounen progression, but permanently hacking their stats to infinity later on via reality wrapping magic or infinite possibilities.

What exactly do you want to say? That they are not infinite despite the novels saying they are almost a dozen times.

My interpretation of Aradia's quote only applying to nerfed MGs keeps the story consistent. Yours ensure that one of the things which the novels say is guaranteed to be false.

Othinus and true Gremlin aren't even in the same category of Magic God

All Magic Gods are based on seperate myths.

 

[Paxton]

That's not true. It could just be that they have reached the maximum cap of their power by turning infinite and have no way to grow any stronger, making all of them who have reach that level equal in power.

That also creates a stalemate.

How does the stalemate occur if the first Magic God could've just killed any other Magic God that would arise to that position throughout history?

The first one to be born would have the edge in power given that you believe they eventually have a "cap" of infinite power that they'd reach.

 

[Paxton]

Not grow as in their shounen progression, but hacking their stats to infinity via reality wrapping magic or infinite possibilities.

What exactly do you want to say? That they are not infinite despite the novels saying they are almost a dozen times.

My interpretation of Aradia's quote only applying to nerfed MGs keeps the story consistent. Yours ensure that one of the things which the novels say is guaranteed to be false.

All Magic Gods are based on seperate myths.

But that's something they have by nature of being a Magic God (Ollerus and Othinus' discussion in early NT, I believe).

It's not something they just "get" out of nowhere. It's just a natural fact of their existence as a Magic God.


I'm aware.
But my point is that Othinus inspired her own myth, while the Magic Gods base themselves off of actual phase beings that already exist in said myths to ascend to their position (Nephthys outright says she's not the actual goddess).

Idol Theory shenanigans.


There's a fundamental difference between the two.

 

[Astaro]

The only thing that could explain the difference is if they're fundamentally not the same in regards to their existence as Magic Gods (which they aren't).

Or that again, Othinus is weak enough for them to call her a failure.

I know you love to make things convoluted for your headcanon to hold any weight but that’s literally all the story gives us. She’s weaker then them

 

[Paxton]

Or that again, Othinus is weak enough for them to call her a failure.

I know you love to make things convoluted for your headcanon to hold any weight but that’s literally all the story gives us. She’s weaker then them

"But my point is that Othinus inspired her own myth, while the Magic Gods base themselves off of actual phase beings that already exist in said myths to ascend to their position (Nephthys outright says she's not the actual goddess)."

This isn't headcanon. This is what we are directly told.

 

[Darth Zion]

How does the stalemate occur if the first Magic God could've just killed any other Magic God that would arise to that position throughout history?

Because the first one did not intend to murder any arising Magic Gods at all, otherwise he'd have murdered any human who even tried to ascend.

The stalemate started when two already ascended Magic Gods clashed over what they thought the world should be and that turned into a deadlock which kept them both occupied, giving space for the other Magic Gods to grow and eventually enter the same deadlock.

But that's something they have by nature of being a Magic God

Never claimed otherwise.