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Shalltear Bloodfallen (Overlord) vs Neferpitou (HunterXHunter)

Big Bang Impact is not even that big. Calling big bang impact as a town level attacks sounds way too much. A building level seems okay.


Even a Gigant Basilisk can destroy a town alone.
Town level doesn't come from big bang impact it comes of the bombardier beetle chimera ant. Take a look at Chaos's HxH calcs.
 
Town level doesn't come from big bang impact it comes of the bombardier beetle chimera ant. Take a look at Chaos's HxH calcs.
Bombardier beetle did not even destroy that much area. If destroying few trees is enough to make someone a town level threat, then every 3rd tier mage is now a town level threat. And they are just level 21.
 


everything is listed in the blogs

do you have an argument that isn't eyeballing?
 


everything is listed in the blogs

do you have an argument that isn't eyeballing?
And this blog itself says that it is just for fun. ChaosTheory saud that below.

I have learnt physics too and I know where you are coming from.

First, anyone surpassing speed of sound would cause a explosive effect around their body as the overall momentum and air resistance would instantly heat up the air.

When Cheetu ran out of NGL tree shaped entrance, they just felt a gust of wind. They were not instantly exploded as that low end speed is enough to cause ear damage or makes a vacuum for few seconds before it collapses.

The calculations are just too childish.

First, the peak human speed is 8 m/s, like Usain Bolt.

And the speed of sound is 340 m/s in air medium at room temperature including the impurities.

Do you have the right calculations or not?
 
This entire hobby is for fun, that's why the disclaimer is there

if you can't understand that, there's no point talking to you, bye
 
This entire hobby is for fun, that's why the disclaimer is there

if you can't understand that, there's no point talking to you, bye
Sorry, I was not as modern as you to understand that. I am new to English culture.
Also, can you tell me what these coals represent?
 
This is a weak spell that Shalltear would barely be injured by

That is a couple of megatons right there, and she can tank several dozens of far more powerful hits.
Terms of speed, she scales massively above supersonic bullet timers so much so they are slow as snails to her.
 
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This is a weak spell that Shalltear would barely be injured by

That is a couple of megatons right there, and she can tank several dozens of far more powerful hits.
Terms of speed, she scales massively above supersonic bullet timers so much so they are slow as snails to her.


1. not a couple megatons, actually a couple kilotons, your underestimating how powerful a megaton is, only way you'd get a megaton is if you assume its vaporization than fragmentation.

Also, Neferpitou scales to pre-rose Meruem. Meruem's body stayed intact even after getting hit with the rose bomb. calc here: https://onelastforum.com/ubs/hunter-x-hunter-feats-neteros-hyakushiki-kannon-and-rose-bomb.36/

And Pitou took a serious hit meant to kill them from Meruem with only a bruise, you also have the fact that they was able to ascertain that Gon could kill Pre-Rose Meruem and yet their body stayed intact enough that even after being hit by jajaken enough times to crush her head to paste, the rest of her body was intact enough to move under Terpischora. So, they both share similar durability.

2. Nothing in Overlord proves that Shalltear scales "massively" above supersonic bullet timers.

Her best speed feat is one where she possibly moves up to Mach 7 in the third volume. Outside of that, you only have feats of speed being "moving fast enough to create shockwaves" that she scales above.

We also have an anti-feat to that with Albedo being unable to dodge bullets from a non-magical heavy machine gun, only parry them. So no, without the usage of spells like time accelerator, which she can't attack while using it, she isn't actually massively above bullet timing speeds.

Pitou, on the other hand, scales above Cheetu, a lower-ranking Chimera Ant who could dodge bullets inches away from his eyes.


Which is calced at Mach 21.
 
1. not a couple megatons, actually a couple kilotons, your underestimating how powerful a megaton is, only way you'd get a megaton is if you assume its vaporization than fragmentation.
TBF vaporization isn't much of a stretch, in the original novels it's described as wiping everything away in a flash of light, and the anime seems to show it just...evaporating everything. Im not 100% sold on it myself but I can't really think of anything to counter off the top of my head either.
 
1. not a couple megatons, actually a couple kilotons, your underestimating how powerful a megaton is, only way you'd get a megaton is if you assume its vaporization than fragmentation.
Which is what I'm doing.
A higher quality clip makes it clearer it is vaporization

Calc done here puts the lowball at 4.12 megatons.
Overlord spells can have restricted aoe's that force them to be within certain limits and not go a centimetre beyond that

Also, Neferpitou scales to pre-rose Meruem. Meruem's body stayed intact even after getting hit with the rose bomb. calc here: https://onelastforum.com/ubs/hunter-x-hunter-feats-neteros-hyakushiki-kannon-and-rose-bomb.36/
...I've seen lots of arguments around hunterxhunter, and a low end being three digit megatons is definitely ridiculous. Don't have the time as of now, but gonna give the calcs a closer look later.
Three digt megatons is in the "create mushroom clouds that reach beyond orbit, heat that can cook countries and create nuclear winters kinda scale. If hunterxhunter doesn't have an implicit or explicit explanation as to why such attacks don't have the associated effect, it's wack.



2. Nothing in Overlord proves that Shalltear scales "massively" above supersonic bullet timers.
The fact low levels are supersonic bullet timers and are considered ants by her alone disproves this.
Gonna grab a post of mine from another forum
The very last spoiler tag here contain a good number
 
TBF vaporization isn't much of a stretch, in the original novels it's described as wiping everything away in a flash of light, and the anime seems to show it just...evaporating everything. Im not 100% sold on it myself but I can't really think of anything to counter off the top of my head either.
It could be vaporization, but the tornado and giant geyser of flame could also be expelled materials, unless there separate spells.
 
It could be vaporization, but the tornado and giant geyser of flame could also be expelled materials, unless there separate spells.
Separate spells, the tornado should be Sharknado as its the spell ainz cast immediately after nuclear blast, and the fire spell is likely some take on one of the hell fire spells wrath used. To be technical ainz should have turned invisible after sharknado but the movie kinda skips that part of the fight.

Actually fire might be vermillion nova looking at it, since they cut the invisibility portion I guess they went straight from ainz casting shark cyclone to him casting vermillion.

But yeah neither effect is a result of nuclear blast from what I can tell.

You might be able to argue the fire, but honestly at that point it doesn't make much sense, not only because we know of a spell ainz cast that creates giant gouts of fire after a section of the fight that gets skipped, but because it comes after the tornado which we can be pretty sure is sharknado.
 
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Which is what I'm doing.
A higher quality clip makes it clearer it is vaporization

Calc done here puts the lowball at 4.12 megatons.
Overlord spells can have restricted aoe's that force them to be within certain limits and not go a centimetre beyond that

I don't trust spacebattles calcs.

And restricted aoe isn't a good argument. That argument only works if theres something to scale the feat off but there isn't. Arguing that an attack is multiple times stronger than what is actually shown requires a lot of proof. That Overlord doesnt have.

And 4 megatons is still well below what Pitou can survive.


...I've seen lots of arguments around hunterxhunter, and a low end being three digit megatons is definitely ridiculous. Don't have the time as of now, but gonna give the calcs a closer look later.
Three digt megatons is in the "create mushroom clouds that reach beyond orbit, heat that can cook countries and create nuclear winters kinda scale. If hunterxhunter doesn't have an implicit or explicit explanation as to why such attacks don't have the associated effect, it's wack.

Your explanation is in the manga panels or the anime.

In both mediums the explosion destroyed the entire underground structure that Meruem and Netero fought in, which seemingly went on for kilometers.

You also see the fireball of the explosion start at already hundreds of meters in size before it begins to expand. And it destroys the multiple plateaus around it.

When your fireball is that towering your gonna get extreme numbers for it.
The fact low levels are supersonic bullet timers and are considered ants by her alone disproves this.
Gonna grab a post of mine from another forum
The very last spoiler tag here contain a good number

First of all your hyperlink doesn't work.

Second, the post you shared is basically what I said?

There all statements of characters making shockwaves when they move. Only two feats are actually reacting to bullets. The death knight who got overwhelmed and killed and Albedo.

I don't see why Entoma's bullet bugs are as fast as actual bullets.

And the rest seems to be calc stacking, which is against obd rules.

That means that Shalltear is only faster than base supersonic characters. By how much we don't know.

And even if you have a fear of a character blocking bullets that's still not comparable to cheetus feat.

As the scans in @ChaosTheory123's calcs show Cheetu dodged the bullets while they were inches away from his face.

That's a far cry beyond simply reacting to them from a distance.
 
I don't trust spacebattles calcs.

And restricted aoe isn't a good argument. That argument only works if theres something to scale the feat off but there isn't. Arguing that an attack is multiple times stronger than what is actually shown requires a lot of proof. That Overlord doesnt have.

And 4 megatons is still well below what Pitou can survive.
Apparently the calcs aren't bad, atleast according to...Someone else on this site when I asked about it. Vaporization does feel questionable but its hard to argue what else it could be, the thing just...deletes everything and the follow up tornado/fire seem to be entirely seperate spell effects.

Aoe is definitely a weird one though, ainz could double the size of that crater if he combined it with widen meta magic, it's something he considered doing during the fight but he didn't want to delete to much of the city. Thing is despite being double the aoe it wouldn't increase the damage.

At max ainz could triplicate the spell so it launches/creates three spheres and widen them (Overlord lets you stack a lot of meta magic cause fuck balance) to create an even larger aoe.
 
Apparently the calcs aren't bad, atleast according to...Someone else on this site when I asked about it. Vaporization does feel questionable but its hard to argue what else it could be, the thing just...deletes everything and the follow up tornado/fire seem to be entirely seperate spell effects.

1. I'm kick everyone's asses who basically brought this topic back up from the dead for the second freaking time.
2. If it's OG who did it, don't act like he's the final word to anything, I've seen him accept shit for less because "it's not that different than Transformers" but no one ever does a true deep dive on their own until the inevitable Deception Thread happens
3. Considering how Overlord as a world works, I can understand Cryso's take in that we shouldn't believe it's vaporization on it's own without any genuine proof that's the case.
 
1. I'm kick everyone's asses who basically brought this topic back up from the dead for the second freaking time.
2. If it's OG who did it, don't act like he's the final word to anything, I've seen him accept shit for less because "it's not that different than Transformers" but no one ever does a true deep dive on their own until the inevitable Deception Thread happens
3. Considering how Overlord as a world works, I can understand Cryso's take in that we shouldn't believe it's vaporization on it's own without any genuine proof that's the case.
It was darth zion actually,

I mean Im not sure what else it could reasonably be looking at it? Everything vanishes in a flash of light, theres no debris, it's not even really an explosion, it just...deletes everything in the area.

The description in the novels is not much clearer, this is generally what you get from the novels:

What had truly moved Neia’s heart was the ball of white light that she had seen twice. It was power which consumed everything and made it disappear without a trace.

So you know at least this isn't a case of the anime acting random/weird, a sphere of light that makes everything vanish is basically what the scene shows.
 
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It was darth zion actually

Even worse :brucelel
Like if it was atleast Qinglong, Flowering Knight or someone who has some actual calculation skills on it, I can believe it.

I mean Im not sure what else it could reasonably be looking at it? Everything vanishes in a flash of light, theres no debris, it's not even really an explosion, it just...deletes everything in the area.

The description in the novels is not much clearer, this is generally what you get from the novels:

What had truly moved Neia’s heart was the ball of white light that she had seen twice. It was power which consumed everything and made it disappear without a trace.

Again blame the author for writing in that the World itself basically obeys it's own physics at random...
 
Even worse :brucelel
Like if it was atleast Qinglong, Flowering Knight or someone who has some actual calculation skills on it, I can believe it.



Again blame the author for writing in that the World itself basically obeys it's own physics at random...
If we accept that nothing in overlord follows physics and thus cant be calced. It should never be discussed for vs debates, which you Know fair but we kinda have to hand wave/try and calculate based on real physics or the series just can't be talked about.


Anyone else wanna take a crack at pixel scaling/checking the math? I know jack all about math or Id give it a go myself.
 
I don't trust spacebattles calcs.
I understand that calc. If you think it's wrong, you can point out the part


Your explanation is in the manga panels or the anime.

In both mediums the explosion destroyed the entire underground structure that Meruem and Netero fought in, which seemingly went on for kilometers.

You also see the fireball of the explosion start at already hundreds of meters in size before it begins to expand. And it destroys the multiple plateaus around it.

When your fireball is that towering your gonna get extreme numbers for it.
A 50 megaton bomb would make a around 83km² fireball. Around the size of Manhattan
A 100 megaton bomb would instead be around 141 km².
This are the pictures of the Rose Bomb


Does that look like a blast that can incinerate an entire city? Does it look anywhere near that?
That calc is definitely wack



And restricted aoe isn't a good argument. That argument only works if theres something to scale the feat off but there isn't. Arguing that an attack is multiple times stronger than what is actually shown requires a lot of proof. That Overlord doesnt have.
How is restricted Aoe not a good argument. I look at the amount of stone vaporized, I calculate the energy needed to vaporize that amount of stone, I translate that number to tons of tnt and get megatons. Please point out the issue I have


First of all your hyperlink doesn't work.

Second, the post you shared is basically what I said?

There all statements of characters making shockwaves when they move. Only two feats are actually reacting to bullets. The death knight who got overwhelmed and killed and Albedo.

I don't see why Entoma's bullet bugs are as fast as actual bullets.

And the rest seems to be calc stacking, which is against obd rules.

That means that Shalltear is only faster than base supersonic characters. By how much we don't know.

And even if you have a fear of a character blocking bullets that's still not comparable to cheetus feat.

As the scans in @ChaosTheory123's calcs show Cheetu dodged the bullets while they were inches away from his face.

That's a far cry beyond simply reacting to them from a distance.
I can point how the same supersonic characters to Shalltear's vision were as slow as snails, or how one who's swings scale to supersonic speeds has his sword casually caught by Shalltear's hand moving from hip to neck before the sword could cross a couple of cm.
Or how a slower character is described as exactly as fast as a meteor
まさに流星のような速度だ
"It's exactly the speed of a meteor."
If translate it part by part
まさに — Exactly
流星 — meteor
のような — like/such as/similar to
速度 — speed/velocity
だ — it's
Meteors travel at 7 to 45 miles per second (11 to 72 kilometers per second).
A lowball would be Mach 30. Mach 50, 60 or even 70 is still below midball.


Again blame the author for writing in that the World itself basically obeys it's own physics at random...
Where's that said?


If we accept that nothing in overlord follows physics and thus cant be calced
When something punches with hundreds of times more force than they weigh, it's not following physics. Apply that as a rule and you kill most debates
 
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