Shalltear Bloodfallen (Overlord) vs Neferpitou (HunterXHunter)

[Randomdude]

Where's that said?

Specifically refrencing the author throwing air resistance under the bus for items in free fall, and his statement about the laws of thermodynamics, pretty sure there are a few others but sleep deprivation is draining a good deal of my cognitive abilities, and Im not planning to sleep for another twelve hours.

 

[Marigold]

Specifically refrencing the author throwing air resistance under the bus for items in free fall, and his statement about the laws of thermodynamics, pretty sure there are a few others but sleep deprivation is draining a good deal of my cognitive abilities, and Im not planning to sleep for another twelve hours.

Yeah, there are some stuff that doesn't work as it does irl. But that's still literally most of these verses.

 

[Darth Zion]

It was darth zion actually

What?

 

[Randomdude]

What?

Sorry refrencing when you noted the pixel scaling looked right in that other thread, I thought you mentioned the megaton thing not looking wrong but looking back you never really responded to me asking how they were getting megatons.

I don't see a problem with their pixel scaling.

If they're going for vaporization, then the yield should be in double to triple digit kilotons which is about as strong as a weak nuke, so it oddly fits the theme and the scale.

So someone should probably look through the calcs my bad, not at my best.

 

[Darth Zion]

do you have an argument that isn't eyeballing?

To be fair, some of these calcs are wack.

For example, two of them are relevant here and both got debunked-

Meruem's casual might says the hole is around twenty meters but an actual shot of it after the dust has clear away shows it's far smaller. I don't know why this shot was not used to calculate hole diameter, but Meruem is not ten meters tall-


Youpi's casual might also says the staircase is around ninety meters in all dimensions and that's the size of a small skyscraper. We see characters in clearer panels compared to it and it's nowhere near as huge, looks barely ten meters high-


I don't think Pitou's AP scales to either Meruem or Youpi's Rage Blast so I'm ignoring them for the moment but Cheetu's speed looks fine.

. Meruem's body stayed intact even after getting hit with the rose bomb

Surviving a nuke does not mean you're tanking it's full explosion. You only tank the energy that the cross sectional area of the explosion the body is in contact, a small fraction of it-

IRL tanks can survive nukes, so it all depends on how far Meruem was from Rose at point of detonation and how of the impact his body was in contact with. He does not scale to its full yield however.

From what I'm seeing so far- Pitou seems weaker in power but faster in speed. She also has a feat of outpacing her own shockwave when she jumped Netero during Dragon Dive, so definitely hypersonic.

Sorry refrencing when you noted the pixel scaling looked right in that other thread

Yeah, but that's all I said.

 

[Randomdude]

Yeah, but that's all I said.

Did you not see my edits? Like I said my bad im severly sleep deprived and for some reason thought you'd responded to my questions about the calcs/megaton numbers.

 

[Darth Zion]

Did you not see my edits?

No, I was typing my response. My bad.

 

[Qinglong]

Neither of those calcs affect Pitou's DC here

But with the domain gone I've lost all interest in debating this.

 

[Randomdude]

Im mostly interested if the overlord calcs are usable tbh, someone familiar with math really needs to go through and double check the work.

The arguments outside the math seem to be overlord does weird physics, which if your not willing to ignore makes the entire verse incalculable and impossible to discuss.

And the thought it might not be vaporization. But nothing other then vaporization works with what's described/depicted in the novel and anime. As I pointed out the tornado/fire effects that follow are actually subsequent spells ainz cast. "Shark cyclone and vermillion nova respectively, meaning they're not debris from the blast"

The spell doesn't have some weird matter deletion element from what ainz tells us, it's a very straight forward half bludgeoning half flame damage spell with a large aoe and knock back effect, which also causes a bunch of minor side effects like poison, blindness and deafness.

 

[ChaosTheory123]

To be fair, some of these calcs are wack.

For example, two of them are relevant here and both got debunked-

You sound like a redditor

“Debunked” is asinine in this hobby where standards are dictated by a given community.

Meruem's casual might says the hole is around twenty meters but an actual shot of it after the dust has clear away shows it's far smaller. I don't know why this shot was not used to calculate hole diameter, but Meruem is not ten meters tall-


Youpi's casual might also says the staircase is around ninety meters in all dimensions and that's the size of a small skyscraper. We see characters in clearer panels compared to it and it's nowhere near as huge, looks barely ten meters high-

Like here? Those scans were never hidden and highlighted for anyone clicking hyperlinks (which most of you assholes don’t I have view count receipts to tell me as much~)

You don’t just scale from isolated moments, you find the size of the whole, and scale backwards to the components. Just like I did here. This is practice for all series.

IRL tanks can survive nukes,

They can, from well outside the epicenter. This isn’t some major revelation

so it all depends on how far Meruem was from Rose at point of detonation and how of the impact his body was in contact with. He does not scale to its full yield however.

No one ever claimed he scaled to the full yield of nearly a gigaton

Mind you, using the anime of all things? His rage blast is comfortably in the high gigatons and is a moot discussion given His power was only boosted total by about 6/7ths of Youpi and Pouf’s power. You can quite comfortably chisel some fraction of Meruem’s power there off and attribute it to the Royal Guard and Netero.

 

[Marigold]

Mind you, using the anime of all things? His rage blast is comfortably in the high gigatons and is a moot discussion given His power was only boosted total by about 6/7ths of Youpi and Pouf’s power. You can quite comfortably chisel some fraction of Meruem’s power there off and attribute it to the Royal Guard and Netero.

I don't think you understand what a gigaton is.
Set off something of that scale in the middle of the US and it damn near flattens atleast multiple states.
If you think this:

is gigatons, then I want some of what you're having. That's kilotons at best

 

[ChaosTheory123]

I don't think you understand what a gigaton is.
Set off something of that scale in the middle of the US and it damn near flattens atleast multiple states.
If you think this:

is gigatons, then I want some of what you're having. That's kilotons at best

Vaporization is hilariously evident on top of the speed the matter transformed into that cloud of vapor was excavated

It’s cute you call that kilotons when kilotons buried deep underground failed to accomplish nearly as substantial a crater too on top of the more over the top phase transition occurring here

I know what a gigaton is stripped down, because expecting the seismic shift in global weather patterns and more broadly dispersed destruction affects outside of localized things in fiction is asinine

 

[Marigold]

Vaporization is hilariously evident on top of the speed the matter transformed into that cloud of vapor was excavated

It’s cute you call that kilotons when kilotons buried deep underground failed to accomplish nearly as substantial a crater too on top of the more over the top phase transition occurring here

Let's say everything that was hit was vaporized. Am actual gigaton would vaporize more than a hundred million cubic metres of stone. About 40 Pyramid of Gizas.
That's 1 gigaton. 10 gigatons would vaporize billions of cubic metres
Which is obviously not what happened there

I know what a gigaton is stripped down, because expecting the seismic shift in global weather patterns and more broadly dispersed destruction affects outside of localized things in fiction is asinine

No you don't lol.
You're effectively creating fan fiction to wank HxH to crazy high levels.
High gigatons lol.

 

[ChaosTheory123]

Let's say everything that was hit was vaporized. Am actual gigaton would vaporize more than a hundred million cubic metres of stone. About 40 Pyramid of Gizas.
That's 1 gigaton. 10 gigatons would vaporize billions of cubic metres
Which is obviously not what happened there

You’re right, it’s not what happened here, because 100,000,000 m^3 is a cute straw man low ball buddy

That rage blast is 3 pixels across the last time it’s visible, shrinking for an additional fraction of a second before contacting with the mountain face about 900 pixels tall in 1080p. The measure isn’t precise, I’m going from memory, someone correct me if I’m wrong. Regardless, even ignoring the additional outside visual acuity shrinking? That’s likely comfortably at least a kilometer tall and it’s dimensions by width are more extreme.

You can scale the blast off Hakoware. I’d bet it’s comfortably at least 3 meters in diameter.

Something like 6 gigatons of a 1 km^3 cube reductive kind of model. That’s ignoring the speed of the vaporized matter ejecting vertically.

No you don't lol.
You're effectively creating fan fiction to wank HxH to crazy high levels.
High gigatons lol.

Buddy, you clearly don’t understand this hobby. This is all fan fiction because authors are morons and we’re jamming square pegs into round holes.

I look for the effects of what they include like phase transition and the speed of the debris. It’s rather clear you look for what they forgot to include to denounce the extreme and overplayed visual on scree

That’s valid, but certainly not the hobby norm and far easier to catch out with flagrant hypocrisy. People seemingly forget with their pet franchise what strictness they’d otherwise preach

 

[Marigold]

You’re right, it’s not what happened here, because 100,000,000 m^3 is a cute straw man low ball buddy

That rage blast is 3 pixels across the last time it’s visible, shrinking for an additional fraction of a second before contacting with the mountain face about 900 pixels tall in 1080p. The measure isn’t precise, I’m going from memory, someone correct me if I’m wrong. Regardless, even ignoring the additional outside visual acuity shrinking? That’s likely comfortably at least a kilometer tall and it’s dimensions by width are more extreme.

You can scale the blast off Hakoware. I’d bet it’s comfortably at least 3 meters in diameter.

Something like 6 gigatons of a 1 km^3 cube reductive kind of model. That’s ignoring the speed of the vaporized matter ejecting vertically.

...you're seriously arguing for gigatons. Enough power to delete mountains or level countries for  that.
Welp, I've gone through this before, multiple times and it all boils down to the same thing.
You want to believe something and no proof I offer, no matter how extensive will change that.
I prefer my debates to be structured around working logic.

Buddy, you clearly don’t understand this hobby. This is all fan fiction because authors are morons and we’re jamming square pegs into round holes.

I look for the effects of what they include like phase transition and the speed of the debris. It’s rather clear you look for what they forgot to include to denounce the extreme and overplayed visual on scree

That’s valid, but certainly not the hobby norm and far easier to catch out with flagrant hypocrisy. People seemingly forget with their pet franchise what strictness they’d otherwise preach

If you actually looked at the effects and then chose to believe gigatons was the correct estimate, then we share very different ways of seeing the world.
Just gonna end it here. Played this game before and not interested in doing it again.

I could easily use your method to wank Shalltear into multi gigaton to even teraton levels, but nah. Wanking ain't my thing

 

[ChaosTheory123]

...you're seriously arguing for gigatons. Enough power to delete mountains or level countries for  that.
Welp, I've gone through this before, multiple times and it all boils down to the same thing.
You want to believe something and no proof I offer, no matter how extensive will change that.
I prefer my debates to be structured around working logic.



If you actually looked at the effects and then chose to believe gigatons was the correct estimate, then we share very different ways of seeing the world.
Just gonna end it here. Played this game before and not interested in doing it again.

I could easily use your method to wank Shalltear into multi gigaton to even teraton levels, but nah. Wanking ain't my thing

Not my problem the artists are dumbasses and demonstrate extensive phase transition and rapid expansion

But enjoy searching for that round peg, Imma just continue to jam that square one in because I can compromise and not be rigid when literally every fiction fails to demonstrate the whole real model

Now quit clutching your pearls or run away with that tail between your legs. It’s transparent your complaints are just salt that Overlord has gutter trash for feats outside freezing that lake

 

[Marigold]

Not my problem the artists are dumbasses and demonstrate extensive phase transition and rapid expansion

But enjoy searching for that round peg, Imma just continue to jam that square one in because I can compromise and not be rigid when literally every fiction fails to demonstrate the whole real model

Now quit clutching your pearls or run away with that tail between your legs. It’s transparent your complaints are just salt that Overlord has gutter trash for feats outside freezing that lake

As I said, prefer logical debating over what ever this is.
I find it funny how you failed to address my calc or points I made earlier about Shallt's speed and such, then come in and act like they don't exist, lol.
Your ignorance is quite telling. Shit slinging isn't going to change that

 

[ChaosTheory123]

As I said, prefer logical debating over what ever this is.
I find it funny how you failed to address my calc or points I made earlier about Shallt's speed and such, then come in and act like they don't exist, lol.
Your ignorance is quite telling. Shit slinging isn't going to change that

Who are you though?

The first post I saw of yours was your first response to me

You’re really quite sensitive to judgment that just hasn’t been occurring

 

[Marigold]

Who are you though?

The first post I saw of yours was your first response to me

You’re really quite sensitive to judgment that just hasn’t been occurring

What does who I am have to do with anything?
What sensitivity?
I simply find it utterly ludicrous that you are attributing enough power to obliterate mountain ranges, level countries and incinerate continents to a blast that does not measure up in anyway whatsoever, and your logic being

I look for the effects of what they include like phase transition and the speed of the debris. It’s rather clear you look for what they forgot to include to denounce the extreme and overplayed visual on scree

Not my problem the artists are dumbasses and demonstrate extensive phase transition and rapid expansion

Which isn't really logic at all.
If there was an actual solid explanation backed up by calcs that supported it completely, I'd have no reason to disagree.
But your argument is the artists are stupid

If you aren't trolling and really do believe that, it's not something my words will change

 

[ChaosTheory123]

What does who I am have to do with anything?
What sensitivity?

I called Overlord's feats gutter trash only once and you responded about the same way I was expecting on top of being 3 posts deeper into a conversation you already swore you wouldn't engage in

You talked about calcs of yours that I didn't even see, acting like I was consciously ignoring them where as I was barely engaged with the discussion outside of shit vaguely related to me directly

It's not wrong to care dude, but how else should I be taking it here?

I simply find it utterly ludicrous that you are attributing enough power to obliterate mountain ranges, level countries and incinerate continents to a blast that does not measure up in anyway whatsoever, and your logic being


Which isn't really logic at all.
If there was an actual solid explanation backed up by calcs that supported it completely, I'd have no reason to disagree.
But your argument is the artists are stupid

If you aren't trolling and really do believe that, it's not something my words will change

Like I told you, I know your position, it's ultimately hard science which would be great to adhere to

Problem is, as its easily reduced to, this hobby is not logical, it is not consistent. The round peg you are looking for doesn't exist, because fiction is full of compromised models that do not adhere to the real world cleanly. You do not have to compromise, but I am satisfied playing this game by putting the square peg into the round hole because engaging with the puzzle would not be meaningfully possible otherwise.

I'm satisfied with stripped down concerns like phase transition or how fast the mass is moving. I do not need to see the effects of the radiating heat outside the immediate area, I do not need to see how adversely the atmosphere should be impacted, I do not need to see the the intricate and layered dominoes of realistic cause and effect fall in place because there is nothing of that to observe in most any fiction we are discussing

Your approach isn't wrong, but its also not observed. So enjoy the accompanying migraine