You keep saying this but what do Magic Gods have to do with it?
They're former humans, and most of them literally based their ascensions off of the already existing myths.
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They're former humans, and most of them literally based their ascensions off of the already existing myths.
Who then inspired the Phase Beings as stated by Cryso, which is a massive contradiction right then and there.
Seriously, how does ANY OF THAT matches the Human Cognition of SMT whatsoever?
I still want to know where the fuck you pulled out of your ass that The Great Will in the Game Gear version of The Last Bible is an imposter?
You literally tried to make a false equivalent between the way SMT states the Myths are one and the same by acting like the same should happen for Toaru and making excuses for her to scale off the myths. Also once again, you have jack shit for proof that the Great Will in the Last Bible port is not one and the same.
You're literally taking him at his word when he hasn't posted a quote saying so.
Human belief shaped the energy that coalesced into the phases/phase beings.
@Churronzon Knows what I'm referring to.
Proving that they're the same and not someone merely claiming to be so is a positive claim that needs to be proved.
You're missing the thing where you provide any proof of his claim not being true sherlock. You can't just say they are lying because you don't like it.
The burden of proof falls on the one who makes a positive claim: you're saying the Great Will in Last Bible = the Great Will that both YHVH and Kagatsuchi serve, so that's what you have to prove.
The Universal Will in Last Bible isn't even an official translation, so could someone get the raws in here?
And then we can compare the raws in SMT II, Nocturne, and Apocalypse when Stephen talks about the Axiom.
The Universal Will in Last Bible isn't even an official translation, so could someone get the raws in here?
And then we can compare the raws in SMT II, Nocturne, and Apocalypse when Stephen talks about the Axiom.
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Pax, that's literally not how that works...
You are basically stating that Othinus and the Magic Gods should benefit from beings that was ultimately influenced from themselves and stating it's literally the same as Human Conception from SMT... with absolutely no basis whatsoever.
This is fucking embarrassing. You are literally doing the same shit you accuse SB of in the Circus Thread.
The fact we have an actual good translator of the Last Bible Franchise stating it's THE Great Will and not an imposter? Where the fuck is your evidence?
Except Othinus (and that's only if her word is being taken at face value) is the only one who "inspired" the myth, with the others such as Nephthys (who admits to not being the real Nephthys), High Priest, and Tezcapotlica were inspired by the religious concepts that existed before them.
They didn't inspire the phase beings. This goes against the lore entirely.
Again you keep making these concrete claims about the lore of a series that you barely even seem to try to pay attention to.
Yeah uh.. bullshit. You were making false accusations towards @fiamma in a thread prior regarding his translations and yet you didn't actually explain what he did wrong.
So now fan translations are suddenly hunky-dory and don't need double checked?
"The Universal Will in Last Bible isn't even an official translation, so could someone get the raws in here?
And then we can compare the raws in SMT II, Nocturne, and Apocalypse when Stephen talks about the Axiom."
I'll say it again. We can get the raws in here to compare.
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That's not how it works at all Pax, The Game never claims The Great Will is lying and is never brought up that it is lying so it is YOU, not the game, that has to provide proof that it is lying. You could not get this shit any more wrong if you tried.
Lol thanks for admitting you made a claim with zero proof and outright made it up. The dude who looked at it, Marsh, is one of the biggest SMT fans who knows Japanese and can translate his own shit so his word is far more viable then yours, especially now that you admit you don't even know what the original translation said.
Which contradict nothing, despite your insistence that they do.
So YHVH is the one true god who created literally everything in existence then, if we're going to take their words at face value.
If the raws are different in Last Bible in respect to SMT II, Nocturne, and Apocalypse than we can logically assume they're not all referring to the same being.
Not sure what's complicated about that.
Where is it stated that the Great Will and YHVH is the same and not that the former is an extension of the latter?
"if" as in you're hoping they are different but have no proof they are?
It shouldn't but your dense brain seems incapable of offering a reasonable objection.
Do you mean the other way around? Because I never said the Great Will is an extension of YHVH, I said the exact opposite.
Yeah that's why I said for someone to bring up the raws so that they can actually be compared by someone like @fiamma , to see if it matches up with what Marsh translated.
I swear to god, you are contradicting yourself so heavily, it's becoming absolutely hilarious and pathetic all at the same time. Do I really need to say anything? You literally state that To Aru works under the same rules as SMT when that's is not only factually incorrect, it literally goes against itself as the Magic Gods influenced the Phase Beings, not the other way around.
Who fucking cares if they dress after them when it's clearly obvious that doesn't mean they have "SMT levels of Human Cognition". Again, your brainrot is giving me brainrot and it's making me want to commit myself to a mental asylum listening to this garbage.
Secondly, Paxton, you need to prove that Marsh's take on the Game Gear Port of The Last Bible is false. You are the one throwing around that he's somehow wrong and we should take you at your word with no proof. And here's the thing:
Non-Canon entries are allowed, there's a REASON why I included the Game Gear Port of The First Last Bible game for a reason dumbass.
Yes we're going to take Othinus' word at face value when we know other Magic Gods explicitly based themselves off of already existing myth.
Great idea.
Except they didn't, like I just said. Nephthys, High Priest, Tezcapotlica, etc. All of them go against this.
Churro knows what quote I'm talking about in regards to human belief shaping the phases/phase beings, just let him post it and be patient.
I'm not saying he's outright WRONG, I'm saying that for the sake of clarification the raws should be brought in and double checked by another translator, because god forbid we be thorough.
I never disputed Last Bible being allowed.
It's what she says, unless you think she's lying for some reason. Hell the entire reason she has shit like the crossbow and Bone Boat despite Odin never having it is because she's not actually Odin but the inspiration for Odin.
From who? You keep mentioning hearsay but mention no statements.
You literally made a statement as fact without any proof and now you're backpeddling to saying you want someone else to scan for you after getting called out.
I know that too, but human perception shaping phases, doesn't actually mean phases = irl myth.
Else Fate or PJO gods would be hitting universal-multiversal levels, you need more evidence than just perception.
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