The true experts were Kingsford and CRC, all along. Their knowledge was something even Magic Gods said they wanted.Muh TRUE experts of Magic
oh that's neatThe legend himself.
Now, since I'm reading GT-12 I might as well compile whatever feats and infodumps I could find in the volume as @Mr.OMG had done all the way upto NT in his respect thread. So here it is-
Academy City has clone technology and advanced means of giving movement to a corpse-
Accelerator can communicate over long distances by creating artificial rain and superimposing his voice onto the vibrations of the raindrops-
Accelerator can control the entire world's weather and environment-
Crowley can gather the power of Coronzon in his hands as black flames appearing with so much force that they would have engulfed the world had they not been concentrated in his palms..
Mere guns, even heavier calibre are laughable against Crowley-
Crowley intercepted a supersonic tank projectile with a roar that crushed the tank and ground beneath it in a great circle-
Accelerator can control the atmosphere and creating lightning across multiple train stations away using indirect vector control by manipulating the wiring and pipes beneath Academy City-
Accelerator can produce a billion volts of electricity and create plasma anywhere around the world using his weather control-
Alice had known Touma would die before they even met-
People killed by Alice cannot return, no matter what. Even her own power that can twist the world cannot do that-
Nerfed Magic Gods use an invisible attack, that even Alice with all her powers couldn't detect. This is something even Transcendents like Aradia or the Bologna Succubus cannot do. Nephtys demonstrates this by blowing on her hair-
Magic Gods mention how Touma has become more like them after returning back from dead-
Nephthys and Niang-Niang are stated to be Magic Gods on par with Othinus-
It's mentioned that Magic Gods like to wander on a whim, that they can't remain in a single place for long- be that a world or a phase. This is further evidence that Phases are actual places rather than filters-
Magic Gods mention how normal humans are powerless before them, including the Transcendents-
Even Touma does not know who would win between Alice and the Magic Gods-
Every magician has chosen their path and power to resist their powerlessness, but Alice is different. She is the one with talent-
Transcendents and Magic Gods are fundamentally different, one aspire to be an existing god but the other has worked to reach that position on their own. Nepthys thinks Magic Gods are superior, whereas Alice disagrees-
Nepthys turns her shoulder into dust and makes it into an invisible whip that cause Touma to freeze up despite IB negating it due to shock-
Alice creates card soldiers that repaint the space around her, anything that her paint touches becomes part of Alice's forces including the attack of a Magic God that would have obliterated Academy City. She's actively holding back here, otherwise she would have just reality wrapped the entire world-
The clash between fundamentally different powers of Magic Gods cause Alice to strain due to creation of special rules of power interaction between a god and a transcendent-
Nepthys can change the shape of her own body to evade attacks-
Alice ran down a hallway, broke into the floor, got to the window and caught Touma before he could fall down a single floor-
Nepthys can use her tears and launch them as light-speed projectile, which Touma negated-
Magic Gods have obtained wisdom and knowledge by experiencing the state of death-
Alice threw Touma several floors above before he could even react, and made him land without damage-
Stiyl's flames burn at more than three thousand degrees-
Any magician can fly, and the reason they don't is because of the Interception Spell. Stiyl creates boosters of fire to achieve that-
Stiyl dodges lightning at the last second, a feat of speed that even Touma admired-
Stiyl intercept Touma's bullets using his flames-
Stiyl stole the lifeforce of a Magic God by using the principles of Thelema using the principle that people can draw power from an object of greater purity and precision from the outside. The spell is called Crossroad, derived from the Divine Mixtures-
The heat produced by Stiyl melted steel pipes from a distance-
The words spoken by Touma when defeating Stiyl, challenging God himself. They seemed to come from his old memory, perhaps a hint to his past or a foreshadowing of the future-
Aleister Crowley defeated Vidharti, a Transcendant who could control fate and erase existence of others-
Crowley deflected a lightning strike-
Coronzon regained her body the moment Crowley lost his will because of Kingsford's death, he had just hijacked her body after death-
That's all for this time, another awesome volume by Kamachi.
normal Transcendents = / = Kingsford & CRC or Anna Sprengel/AliceBut but Muh Four Worlds Hierarchy and Muh TRUE experts of Magic
Imagine glazing up niggas that get called out in-series for being frauds that play dress-up pretend to borrow the power of gods specifically because they couldn’t get that strong on their own merit
Against mages that trained themselves up all on their own to become they very gods Fraudscendents rely on.
did you forget to put Anna Sprengel here orThis does leave us in an awkward spot where we have to redraw the scaling chain again.
DK Touma=CRC=Kingsford>Alice=Magic Gods>Crowley>Transcendents. For now that seems to be right, is that correct? But where does Coronzon and Phasic Beings fit into the scale, above CRC or below?
Also, do I have to put a spoiler warning in my post? Or should I leave it be?
CRC, Anna, and Kingsford sure but I don’t see them being outright superior with Alice struggling against infinitely nerfed Magic Godsnormal Transcendents = / = Kingsford & CRC or Anna Sprengel/Alice
don't get it twisted
MGs also aren't the actual phase beings Transcendents like H.T. draw upon the power of, either
am I stupid or am I not understanding how this is the caseCRC, Anna, and Kingsford sure but I don’t see them being outright superior with Alice struggling against infinitely nerfed Magic Gods
Which coincidentally matched with how GT10 wrote Alice’s reality warping as comparable to Othinus too
The whole shit about even regular Transcendents beating even Othinus, let alone other Magic Gods, just got buried for good with this volume
Anna should be about equal to or just below Alice, right? But she feels so underwhelming in comparison lol, I don't know where to place her here.did you forget to put Anna Sprengel here or
No, she went back to her child self once she reunited with Toumaare they even fighting inner Alice in GT12?
am I stupid
so both parties are holding back on top of being nerfed (Aleister's nerf + Alice not using her inner form)
Any argument of her holding back goes out the window when her opponents are holding back by default infinitely and still not going out with what they have because we know how destructive nerfed Magic Gods get in World Rejector’s timeline when they don’t care for collateral
more or less, probablyAnna should be about equal to or just below Alice, right? But she feels so underwhelming in comparison lol, I don't know where to place here.
Also, it's interesting that the powers of Alice and the Magic Gods clashing created special rules that made it hard for them to use their powers due to their clashing nature.
Moreover, I nearly overlooked that Stiyl also took down two Nerfed Magic Gods on his own with prep, granted he basically did what Crowley had already done and hijacked their powers- mf did not learn the lesson. But this goes on to show how even normal humans with right prep and knowledge can create spells and ceremonies vastly above their punching class.
Like Index and Birdway creating Gungnir Replica or Touma's dad accidently creating Angel Fall which changed the entire Sephiroth....
No, she went back to her child self once she reunited with Touma
The Rosicrucian magic cabal had hidden in the shadows of history. No one knew what exactly R&C Occultics was, even as it chose to unilaterally influence the entire world. And it was all controlled by Anna Sprengel, who stepped on Secret Chief Aiwass and selfishly wielded power greater than a god.
“Didn’t you find it odd?” asked Othinus. “Anna Sprengel holds a position similar to a priestess, but she actually has complete control of a superior being like Aiwass and has become a legendary magician greater even than a Magic God. Yet she always travels on foot and directly appears before her enemies. Why? Sure, you can say she does it for fun or on a whim since she’s the strongest, but I see a simpler theory.”
GT10 doesn't even say Othinus and Alice are literally equal
just that Alice's power affects the world to the same extent
the same volume also says that inner Alice would instantly defeat a god and they wouldn't even notice it happening
Page 80 of GT10.For example, his right hand hadn’t been able to destroy the infinite worlds created by Othinus. Alice could absorb the world to that extent
Page 186 of GT10.Even if she was up against a being known as a god or a demon, or a human who had trained themselves up to the point that everyone would see them as such a thing, this version of Alice would likely crush them underfoot without them even realizing they had been killed.
honestly this makes Kingsford/CRC even more impressive in retrospectAnna should be about equal to or just below Alice, right? But she feels so underwhelming in comparison lol, I don't know where to place her here.
Also, it's interesting that the powers of Alice and the Magic Gods clashing created special rules that made it hard for them to use their powers due to their clashing nature.
Moreover, I nearly overlooked that Stiyl also took down two Nerfed Magic Gods on his own with prep, granted he basically did what Crowley had already done and hijacked their powers- mf did not learn the lesson. But this goes on to show how even normal humans with right prep and knowledge can create spells and ceremonies vastly above their punching class.
Like Index and Birdway creating Gungnir Replica or Touma's dad accidently creating Angel Fall which changed the entire Sephiroth....
No, she went back to her child self once she reunited with Touma
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