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To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - One Othinus To Rule Them All

But but Muh Four Worlds Hierarchy and Muh TRUE experts of Magic

Imagine glazing up niggas that get called out in-series for being frauds that play dress-up pretend to borrow the power of gods specifically because they couldn’t get that strong on their own merit

Against mages that trained themselves up all on their own to become among the very gods Fraudscendents rely on.
 
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I'm definitely disappointed Alice and Nepthys did not start throwing galaxies at each other, lol

Then again, Alice was actively protecting Academy City and holding back by not just reality wrapping the entire universe, which narration mentions she certainly would have had she been fighting alone.

But hey, Coronzon is back- maybe we might get other characters scaling to the Flaming Sword in the next volume. Touma remembering the words of his old self and declaring that he'd be challenging God himself was iconic too! Favourite part of the volume
Muh TRUE experts of Magic
The true experts were Kingsford and CRC, all along. Their knowledge was something even Magic Gods said they wanted.
 
oh that's neat

Aleiszon using pure elements
 
and an actual statement that Othinus/Aleister nerfed MGs are at the same level of strength is nice too (even though it's kind of obvious)
 
normal Transcendents = / = Kingsford & CRC or Anna Sprengel/Alice

don't get it twisted

MGs also aren't the actual phase beings Transcendents like H.T. draw upon the power of, either
 
This does leave us in an awkward spot where we have to redraw the scaling chain again.

DK Touma=CRC=Kingsford>Alice=Magic Gods>Crowley>Transcendents. For now that seems to be right, is that correct? But where does Coronzon and Phasic Beings fit into the scale, above CRC or below?

Also, do I have to put a spoiler warning in my post? Or should I leave it be?
 
did you forget to put Anna Sprengel here or

to answer your question I have no idea (Anna Sprengel should be put on the same general tier as Alice/CRC/Kingsford/DK Touma, with all of them being > MGs)

@Churronzon
 
normal Transcendents = / = Kingsford & CRC or Anna Sprengel/Alice

don't get it twisted

MGs also aren't the actual phase beings Transcendents like H.T. draw upon the power of, either
CRC, Anna, and Kingsford sure but I don’t see them being outright superior with Alice struggling against infinitely nerfed Magic Gods

Which coincidentally matched with how GT10 wrote Alice’s reality warping as comparable to Othinus too

The whole shit about even regular Transcendents beating even Othinus, let alone other Magic Gods, just got buried for good with this volume
 
am I stupid or am I not understanding how this is the case

them managing to "blitz" Alice with an attack who is severely holding back and trying to not to kill them and.. blatant shit talking

is that it
 
GT10 doesn't even say Othinus and Alice are literally equal (narratively they 100% are not)

just that Alice's power affects the world to the same extent

the same volume also says that inner Alice would instantly defeat a god and they wouldn't even notice it happening
 
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wait actually that's a good point now that I think about it

are they even fighting inner Alice in GT12?
 
did you forget to put Anna Sprengel here or
Anna should be about equal to or just below Alice, right? But she feels so underwhelming in comparison lol, I don't know where to place her here.

Also, it's interesting that the powers of Alice and the Magic Gods clashing created special rules that made it hard for them to use their powers due to their clashing nature.

Moreover, I nearly overlooked that Stiyl also took down two Nerfed Magic Gods on his own with prep, granted he basically did what Crowley had already done and hijacked their powers- mfs did not learn the lesson, fell to the same trick twice. But this goes on to show how even normal humans with right prep and knowledge can create spells and ceremonies vastly above their punching class.

Like Index and Birdway creating Gungnir Replica or Touma's dad accidently creating Angel Fall which changed the entire Sephiroth....
are they even fighting inner Alice in GT12?
No, she went back to her child self once she reunited with Touma
 
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am I stupid


Any argument of her holding back goes out the window when her opponents are holding back by default infinitely and still not going out with what they have because we know how destructive nerfed Magic Gods get in World Rejector’s timeline when they don’t care for collateral
 
so both parties are holding back on top of being nerfed (Aleister's nerf + Alice not using her inner form)

mf this is UNQUANTIFIABLE THEN
 
Alice was holding back and the Magic Gods were nerfed. Even Touma and the narration seemed to mention how they had no idea who would win this fight, I'd just put MG and Alice on the same level for now and leave it at that.

MG are definitely superior to normal Transcendants tho, freaking Alice found it hard to use her powers against them.
 
more or less, probably

she did block the tailwind from a serious Alice in GT10(GT11?) iirc

to repost the same two quotes from GT4 (although these aren't the only ones glazing Anna Sprengel tbf, NT22, NT22R, and GT1 has quotes too)


wields power greater than a god + is called a legendary magician greater than even a Magic God (by a Magic God themselves)
 
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GT10 doesn't even say Othinus and Alice are literally equal

just that Alice's power affects the world to the same extent

the same volume also says that inner Alice would instantly defeat a god and they wouldn't even notice it happening
For example, his right hand hadn’t been able to destroy the infinite worlds created by Othinus. Alice could absorb the world to that extent
Page 80 of GT10.



Page 186 of GT10.
 
honestly this makes Kingsford/CRC even more impressive in retrospect

since Aleister, even with his new recent buffs watched them fight and was like "yeah nah even with subterfuge and trickery I can't do jackshit to them"
 
But GT12 contradicts Alice being able to instantly crush a Magic God before they even realize it. Even nerfed ones basically stalemated her so those statements were probably hype or talking about Phasic Gods weaker than TMG. @Paxton

I guess we'd find out where exactly Coronzon scales in the next volume. She and Alice are definitely gonna have a fight I think. Plus, what happened with Othinus and Index is also in question since they don't know about Touma's rebirth and left to follow some mysterious message.

Crowley breaking down when learning Kingsford was not resurrected and making Touma realise how he's overlooking her sacrifice, only to be taken over by Coronzon was also a peak moment. Kingsford only appeared for a few volumes, but she's quickly become one of my favourite female characters alongside Othinus and Misaki.