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Question: With that mythology you’re talking about, doing the deep dive, is that primarily from the Cartoon, or did that include the Comic adaptations?
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Lorenzo Di Bonaventura: It’s both. Hasbro put together sort of a bible of all the mythologies that have been put forward, and they put it into one thing, and some of the Comic book doesn’t fit exactly with the TV shows and the movies. So there were a few rough edges we had to round off but now with a fifth movie coming, there’s a lot of mythology that we’ve established as well. So, what we did was really built all three of the things into one very large document – one very large world.
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Transformers: The Last Knight Set Report: The 22 Biggest Reveals

We visited the set of Transformers: The Last Knight! Here are the biggest reveals and new story details from Michael Bay, the cast, and crew!
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bonaventura is so strange but it's interesting to know hasbro on some level keeps track of all the different origin stories and mythologies, I honestly thought they just dgaf after Aligned lol
 

AOTP-10 Star Optimus Prime​

スターオプティマスプライムは、サイバトロン星で誕生した最初の13人と呼ばれるプライムのひとりでSFトレーラーに変形します。マトリクスの導きでプライムに進化したオプティマスプライムは更に宇宙創造の力「ゾディアック」を取り込んだことで巨大なボディとパワーを手に入れました。最強の攻撃力を有するマイクロトランスフォーマーの基地モードへの変形が可能で、付属のホットロッドやマイクロトレーラーMT-13と連動して遊ぶ事ができ、武器パーツやブラストエフェクトパーツを組み合わせる事でバトルシーンを再現できます。ホットロッドはスポーツカーに変形しマイクロトレーラーMT-13に格納が可能で、移動砲台に変形させ組み合わせて遊ぶことも出来ます。

Translators: Machine translation via DeepL with touchups from AzimuthAcolyte


Star Optimus Prime is one of the first 13 Primes born on the planet Cybertron and transforms into a sci-fi trailer. Optimus Prime evolved into a Prime under the guidance of the Matrix, and by further incorporating the power of universal creation "Zodiac," he has acquired enormous size and power. The figure can displays his greatest attack power when transformed into a Micromaster Base, and can be played with in conjunction with the included Hot Rod and Micro Trailer MT-13, and by combined with the weapon parts and blast effect parts to recreate various battle scenes. Hot Rod can transform into a sports car and be stored in the Micro Trailer MT-13, which can also be transformed into a mobile turret and played with in combination.
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i couldnt find if anyone had posted it here i think someone did but it says that optimus was evolved into a Prime by the Matrix, and now has become even stronger via the Zodiac that made the universe
 
this could give credence to the idea i think i saw somewhere that the Matrix itself is the Thirteenth, and thus whoever gets it is the Thirteenth Prime
which i prefer to optimus being directly one of the thirteen
 
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grillmaster said:
i couldnt find if anyone had posted it here i think someone did but it says that optimus was evolved into a Prime by the Matrix, and now has become even stronger via the Zodiac that made the universe
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He was also amped by the combination of the Matrix and the Zodiac in the Legends manga and I was the one posting it first.
grillmaster said:
this could give credence to the idea i think i saw somewhere that the Matrix itself is the Thirteenth, and thus whoever gets it is the Thirteenth Prime
which i prefer to optimus being directly one of the thirteen
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it was from POTP saying whoever is the Matrix is the Thirteenth Prime, but the main storyline chose Optimal Optimus as it's next barrier. ALTHOUGH it is either which of those two characters you want being the Thirteenth. Either it is Optimus (count that since the 13th headmaster was the core of the Matrix) or Optimal. I still hate Optimus as the 13 for some reason, but for AOTP he is in his Star Convoy + Powermaster form, so I'm fine with that.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
i dont really believe in Matrix scaling, too finnicky
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well some Unicron avatars are > Thirteen, and the Matrix is connected to the Afterlife
OtherGalaxy said:
like ive said before I’m waiting on if we have any room to determine if AOTP Primes count as singularities. Scaling would ensue at that point
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I mean weren't they already are? Like it is combining elements from multiple versions of the Thirteen. Prima's Matrix was resembling the Origin Matrix, Haslab Primus is likely being released in 2027 and the team wanted to do a "multiversal singularity" one because AOTP was full of that (Dreamwave Fallen with his POTP Requiem Blaster, G2 Liege, Cybertron Vector who is likely, Machanima Solus) and like AOTP is reusing stuff from POTP where each faction symbol represents the Thirteen with their abilities and artifacts and the Halo of Primus structure. One of Vector's abilities in the POTP were stated to access timelines, so there is that. However, yeahhh a comfirmation for Vector is needed, but since like the Pantheon is using the Cybertron version with his Planet Keys and Rhisling.
 
We already know that the Allspark contains the primordial power of the singularity that gave birth to the universe.
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The Fallen possesses limitless power and incalculable energy capable of destroying all creation, that is, the universe, using the power of the Big Bang.
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Within his cage-like exo-structure burned primal and chaotic forces drawn from the very birth of the universe, forces that expunged any last vestiges of conscience or morality, leaving only a pitiless void.Rotf3fallen_orig.jpgmain-qimg-b90e3c5740f19059e3420b4ceb840cab.jpeg
The funny thing is that this is only a part of the true omnipotence of the Allspark that The Fallen has tasted.
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All Primes can apparently create pocket dimensions to seal their enemies, create dimensional portals in the form of space bridges in microseconds, traveling between continents, planets and even between dimensions, although I seem to remember that space bridges ignore the laws of physics by moving matter in time and space, and also warp the very fabric of space and time.
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Optimus Prime 654 said:
also @OtherGalaxy if JG1 Unicron is also a singularity via existing in all dimensions, does it mean he will scale to the other avatars of Unicron?
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Unicrons avatars are extremely random in showings, moreso than most other avatars are. I would just go by their individual feats. JG1 Unicron has basically the best on page stuff of any Unicron avatar anyways, the only thing higher is 3H Unicron’s statements from the Vok
 
also I may have been wrong about the 3H stuff tying sunbowcron back to the singularity as AVP (sort of) stated 3H is its own timeline, but I want to reread 3H at some point because similar to Nemesis Prime and Balancing Act being listed as a separate stream on tfwiki it looks like it may be more complicated than that.

That said, iirc Ichikawa uses the all-dimensional existence thing to refer to Singularity Unicron in World of the Transformers, so that may help solidify JG1’s connection given they use the exact same terminology and Cloud also directly had references to stuff like Alternity
 
A squad of scattered Minions invaded the world of "Cybertron" to eliminate Primus, the planet Cybertron, which was threatened by the Grand Black Hole that had replaced his all-dimensional existence,threatening the entire Multiverse. As you can see, their battle has now expanded beyond the scope of a single universe.
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This is technically talking about Primus but Ichikawa says the Grand Black Hole replaced Primus' "all-dimensional existence" which would of course make the GBH "all-dimensional", but I had some wires crossed and didn't remember the context 100%

And from the final Cloud chapter
The only people who have the concept of a Spacetime World and can cross each spacetime world are the inhabitants of the Cloud Spacetime... The inhabitants of other spacetime worlds have no way of knowing about anything other than their own world, much less Cloud Spacetime. But this being called Unicron knew about it.

"Cloud, in my opinion, is a World of fools who don't know the true nature of the Spacetime World and pretend to be the administrator of each Spacetime. What business does the Megatron of that World have with me?"

Megatron responded to Unicron's words with a wry smile.

"Unicron, I have discovered an energy in spacetime that has allowed me to learn of you, that you exist in all dimensions, beyond spacetime, and that you can influence them."
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This seems like textbook singularity stuff honestly. Given Cloud's writers were aware of stories like Alternity (where Vector Primeis featured) I think it's safe to assume they were working off some of the western cosmic lore like Hirofumi Ichikawa was in both Alternity and World of the Transformers. It just doesn't really make sense to me to treat such an explicitly multiversal version of the character as a non-singularity instance.
 
Something else really interesting on that note
TFWiki said:
One very special spacetime that does not quite follow the system established above is OG001 Spacetime (OG001時空), representing the very first episode of a Transformers cartoon—the English version of "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1". Consequentially, this spacetime is regarded by Cloud natives as the origin point of the multiverse as a whole.
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And from Cloud's last chapter
The 01-OG Spacetime is very close to the OG-001 Spacetime that Optimus wandered into before, and it is also considered to be one of the fundamental Spacetimes of all events. And the timing of Unicron's appearance on the stage was an important and inviolable turning point in the Flow of Time that extends from there.
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Cloud is one of the few, if not the only, stories I'm aware of where characters both travel to the G1 cartoon timeline - American and the G1 cartoon timeline - Japan. In a very weird roundabout way, this would mean their multiversal Unicron statements would apply to both the JG1 and Sunbow timelines....
 
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