honestly my favorite look for Prima of the ones we've gotten, kinda wish future designs had borrowed more from it
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Hmm1010
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It's based on this 2007 OP toy in case you didn't know (presumably referencing that OP is his descendant specifically).
Hmm1010
Illustrious
There's also a story called 'Coalescence' in which a version of Fallen escapes into a different reality at the last second but miscalculates and ends up in the Shattered Glass universe, where he's perpetually frozen.
I only read the first page of the story featuring Fallen, where it's implies to take place in the final battle of ROTF.
I only read the first page of the story featuring Fallen, where it's implies to take place in the final battle of ROTF.
Yeah I dig this a lot, super cool design. Andrew Sorohan (co runner of the Obscure Transformers website from back in the day, may he rest in peace) did a hybrid take of this and ER Optimus that's basically just how I headcanon Prima's visuals
It's based on this 2007 OP toy in case you didn't know (presumably referencing that OP is his descendant specifically).
And yeah haven't finished Coalescence, but that Fallen is from a parallel ROTF timeline and he talks about controlling universes in the story. It's also mentioned in the same story that all entropy in the multiverse comes from him apparently.
coalescence is a weird ass story in that its writer explicitly hated the 13 being singularities and was proud of breaking them with the Shroud, but also handed them some of their best scaling ever with that entropy statement
grillmaster
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part of why i hate the shroud: i only just now noticed thats the fucking fallen in his g1 dreamwave design on the right, and he does not even have a single line
Singularity Prima came in the Bayverse body he had in the IDW movie comic to stop or aid Nexus Prime. If that incarnation was uber weak, he probably wouldn't have come like that, I guess. The one in the above image is not necessarily the IDW movie version but at least A version of the Bayverse version. Source: Out of Many, One.
grillmaster
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unicron and primus have literally zero involvement in the events of the shroud, making it quite possibly the most underwhelming retcon in history yet the one with annoyingly the furthest reach
I'm really glad future writers have ignored it entirely but as a concept, it just really really sucks and takes the wind out of Transformers' cosmic stories as a whole. If writers had adhered to it, it would mean Cyberverse's entire plotline couldn't have even happened, the entire Legacy toyline couldn't have happened, etc. It's such a dull way to look at such a colorful and otherwise inventive franchise
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
alr thxsorry, been a busy weekend
scans regarding Primus being/becoming the Oracle in the manga
I am hesitant to call this Oracle 'outerversal' or anything like that though, it was clearly restrained by both Primacron and the ancestors of the Quintessons, who are mainly using its power to control the universe (or precursor multiverse if you wanted to expand it to that)
The Oracle also in Beast Wars Uprising is what tells Longrack about the Singularity Ablyss stuff though, but like you said, Primus speaks through it, to me that doesn't net any kind of full scope or scaling.
In general, despite my arguing for much higher interpretations of Transformers characters, especially the god tiers, I tend to be really conservative about cross scaling, because in Transformers even two seemingly identical concepts or characters can have wildly different contexts and showings. We're dealing with a series where a lot of contradictory information is all canon to one another, so I try not to weigh one interpretation in one continuity against others too heavily. Singularity characters in particular show how varied their feats/scaling can be despite all being the same person.
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
so its not outerversal?sorry, been a busy weekend
scans regarding Primus being/becoming the Oracle in the manga
I am hesitant to call this Oracle 'outerversal' or anything like that though, it was clearly restrained by both Primacron and the ancestors of the Quintessons, who are mainly using its power to control the universe (or precursor multiverse if you wanted to expand it to that)
The Oracle also in Beast Wars Uprising is what tells Longrack about the Singularity Ablyss stuff though, but like you said, Primus speaks through it, to me that doesn't net any kind of full scope or scaling.
In general, despite my arguing for much higher interpretations of Transformers characters, especially the god tiers, I tend to be really conservative about cross scaling, because in Transformers even two seemingly identical concepts or characters can have wildly different contexts and showings. We're dealing with a series where a lot of contradictory information is all canon to one another, so I try not to weigh one interpretation in one continuity against others too heavily. Singularity characters in particular show how varied their feats/scaling can be despite all being the same person.
I wouldn’t say the Oracle is, nah
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
so where would the oracle scale too?
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
if the matrix is conduit with the afterlife, its outerversal right?alright I've thought about this a little more
the Matrix is a conduit to the afterlife in most continuities, and the afterlife Rodimus sees in the cartoon is, through sheer fucking coincidence, described the exact same way as it is in this book. Like down to a mathematical plane of numbers and purple spires. Really weird. The Matrix of course is also connected to Primus so...I think there is proper grounds to scale them to this stuff.
As far as direct text from the book goes
The Kingdom is the corporeal plane, in Angel-Rhinox's words it is "less than a fraction of the top of an iceberg" and "the surface of the mirror, a vehicle for creatng an image that yet contains neither mass nor value"
As far as interpretation goes, this cannot be referring to "just" this universe among many, because they are ascending past it in the story. Reality is below them even as they reach the absolute base of the Tree of Life, and Rhinox even says that "The Kingdom is a mere facade behind which lies the larger world" and "All that you experienced in the Kingdom was mere metaphor for the journey ahead"
"Reality is one of those concepts you are going to have to relinquish"
So the multiverse as we know it seems to be at the base of the tree.
The next Spheres Splendor and Eternity, they go on about how matter and energy transform and have no beginning or end. The fullness of space and time is described as being without beginning or end.
Just wanted to note here it says the Matrix (Allspark or AfterSpark in this context) is the source of all things. Not sure what to make of this, it could certainly be true as in some origins The One did not actually create reality, at least not intentionally.
These realms seem to be pure information, what it's interesting is at the end here Megatron says everything he experiences in the Tree of Life is more real than his life. Given the context of the story I don't think this is just flowery language.
Allspark described as omniscient and omnipresent, as well as infinite. BW Megatron is so full of himself he decides to kill himself and an Angel rather than join the Allspark. He survives and decides he's going to absorb every spark he can and try to take over the GodHead. Obviously this doesn't work, but his last lines are pretty cool.
So yeah, weird bit of esoteric lore here. I also remembered in the cartoon timeline, Rhinox is able to project his soul through Unspace into the Afterlife I believe, so there may be some strange connection between Unspace and the Tree. There's a lot to consider with this stuff.
Hmm1010
Illustrious
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This is probably the second best Bayverse video game feat I've seen. I posted this before but in a list. Hound's body survives the satelitte explosion that's visible from space. He also lives for a short while after the explosion. The satelitte also releases an EMP blast bigger than Earth emanating as it explodes and that EMP blast somehow shakes the space around a satelitte in orbit (maybe it's meant to have shaken the satelitte itself, I guess).
Kighter
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Can you send the scan?
Hmm1010
Illustrious
grillmaster
Exceptional
the black hole is formed from his spark, weirdly this lines up with ichikawas World of the Transformers site that states sparks essentially give TFs superpowers
Doronbo_Shirake
悩ましポーズ
Since M.A.S.K is part of Transformers canon, I will put this here. Mayhem's Switchblade made a tunnel with lasers.
Episode is Quest of the canyon (48) of season 1.
Episode is Quest of the canyon (48) of season 1.
Thirteen prime
Distinguished
Optimus tanked several shots from the Creation Matrix and Anti Matrix, which was powerful enough to push Unicron away from Cybertron.
Hmm1010
Illustrious
This Ask Vector Prime reply says that Dark Spark united the Aligned universes with the rest of the Multiverse. So, it's multiversal. But IDK if its users like Megatron and Lockdown would be able to harness its full power. If they can, then the Matrix empowered Optimuses in the game would scale to that AVP thing. But like I said, I'm not sure.