I used second-rate servant for mid-tier servants like Astolfo (stronger than say, saber Gilles but weaker than Mordred)There's a lot of underestimation going about "Second Rate" Servants, whatever the fuck that even means , when for example, the weakest of them , or one of the weakest , Angry Manjew can trade blows with someone like Saber and not get turned into red mist, or getting shitblitzed .
As far as physical stats go, even the differences between low tier and top tier people are not THAT high.
I don't know, some DAA like TATARI, Zeltrech or Dark six (if they're indeed 6 asshole fae) are certainly more powerful than third or second rate servants like Mandy, Hassan (minus KH), Nobukatsu and so on
I used second-rate servant for mid-tier servants like Astolfo (stronger than say, saber Gilles but weaker than Mordred)
Isn't Primate Murder is not part of DAA anymore as of remake?As Qing and Rey have pointed out, you are using extreme low ends to justify that scaling, especially when the info people use to prove that Vlov is beyond the average Servant... is things the average Servant have done truly beyond not only Vlov, but Ciel and Shiki as well.
For all of Cursed Arm's honesty, he STILL has done things that put him up there like not being caught by Cu(The fastest Servant in the HGW) through great use of Disengage and the same for EMIYA.
Nobukatsu explicitly isn't even supposed to BE a Heroic Spirit and would be closer to a Phantom Spirit
And Angra Mainyu, as Rey pointed out, was able to throw hands against Saber without dying instantly despite being the weakest Servant.
It's not helping you are then comparing them to Dead Apostle Ancestors who are really high up there as well, might as well compare them to ORT and Primate Murder and say "This is where the DAA's high end... ends".
We have no idea where DAA's actually stand at past Nasu's word... which makes them equal to Servants outside of the obvious outliers(As I mentioned before and will constantly do so, Idea Blood being like the Authority of Divine Spirits and Event Storage for TA's... isn't as gamebreaking as people like to say. If it was, Ciel and Shiki should have LONG died against Vlov, weakened as he was). Zelretch has nowhere the power he once had and the Dark Six don't really seem like the Six Fairies to me, I think that was Nasu just doing a callback like the A-Rei thing in LB6 and 7.
...I wouldn't really use Second Rate for Astolfo as he's more Third Rate.
But again, it shows how despite there supposedly being a huge gulf between Servants, there really isn't, not in the same fashion that SB or VSB goes for. The difference is more closer to their Noble Phantasms than their actual stats and abilities.
Isn't Primate Murder is not part of DAA anymore as of remake?
As of Astolfo, well as you know his multiple strong NP is what makes him mid-tier since no third-rate servant can do what he did against Tametomo.
They gave her a power up? Good shit. She at least make a vague cameo yet? Or is it all still just off screen exposition still after 20 fucking years?Back in the old timeline, as Chaos's said , no.
In the current version, she's noted to be on the same scale as Arc and neither of them can become the Ultimate One of the planet until they "settle " things.
They gave her a power up? Good shit. She at least make a vague cameo yet? Or is it all still just off screen exposition still after 20 fucking years?
When Nasu’s AI copy writes the sequel next century I’m sure the confrontation will be worth the wait for my great great great grandchildrenoff screen as usual
A notorious playboy in the olden days and even now in the present time. After being shot to death by Artemis, due to her actions, Orion was transformed into a mascot character and became adorable… adorable? Characteristically, he is quite lazy, yet he is shrewd, occasionally evading even Artemis’ accusations of unfaithfulness splendidly. In relation to Artemis, if there is an opportunity for him, one can assume that Orion is nearby having an affair, and it gives the impression to others that they are a married couple who are constantly in a crisis of one being unfaithful to the other, seeing that they are like lovers who can, yet cannot, avoid each other or that situation. However, in the case where Artemis falls into an emergency, Orion has the resourcefulness to a degree to come to her aid to the point of being truly reckless in doing so.
Here, the main reason Super Orion can damage Caenis in the Sea is due to being Poseidon's child and having a chunk of his Divine Core.Poseidon's Child
A Divine Pseudo-Skill that enables him to walk on water as well as remain underwater indefinitely. He can also make it rain at will, and Orion used this skill mainly to try and charm the ladies, saying things like "The rain makes a normally cheery man seem like he's crying.")This turns out not to have been a particularly effective tactic)
I guess Scorpions is the equivalent for Orion as Hydra Venom is for Heracles and Chiron...One of Orion's many causes of death.
He hates scorpions so much that the constellation Orion retreats whenever Scorpio approaches it in the sky.
Heavy pressure that Orion receives in the name of affection from his lover(?) Artemis. The tremendous pressure buffs Orion, enhancing his physique. All stats rank up, including Magical Energy and LUCK. His Strength is Doubled
Orion had powerful arms. So strong were his arms that he is said to have strangled a lion with them. Even Demonic Beasts flee in terror of his brute strength. Tearing coins in two is a cakewalk for him, and a blow from him is capable of shattering Cerberus's forehead. His strength is truly peerless
As he was touted to be the greatest hunter in Greece, combined with Artemis' blessing, his skill is said to be the very best on Earth. By gaining his constellation's legend of the three stars(The Tri-Star), he has gained powerful archery skills that overwhelm even other heroes from different Ages.
But... there is one fatal flaw to this skill. It is said that those who are beloved of the stars are also beloved of the gods(Especially Goddesses). Thus, his fate may have already been sealed at that point... point... point...(echoes)
The Moon Goddess's Innocent Love.
Artemis's love pours down on Orion, temporarily enhancing him. The incredible intensity of her love is felt both physically and psychologically. It is an Anti-Army Noble Phantasm because it's blessing is sufficient to grant one man the strength of an entire army. The sheer magnitude of it's power would cause a normal man to explode, but Orion only suffers muscle aches.
My Arrow Reaches All Beasts.
An attack that nullifies all Defensive skills and Noble Phantasms if the target is a Demon or Demonic Beast.
If used while summoned as Grand Archer, it has the added effect of causing any beast to fall within his reach. It is also effective against enemies that spawn infinitely, automatically killing them so long as they are in range.
In FGO, this Noble Phantasm was only used in the Main Scenario of the game.
The Hunter Who Pierces The Goddess
A special Noble Phantasm that should not exist under normal circumstances. It was created explicitly for Artemis in the Fifth Lostbelt, though it meant giving up on the title of Grand Archer. The Noble Phantasm's sole purpose was to destroy Artemis in exchange for it's user's life. The bow forged using Achilles' armor, Paris becoming an Arrow, combined with Master's Command Spell as a boost... all are necessary conditions under which the arrow can be shot exactly one time.
In FGO, this Noble Phantasm was only used in the Main Scenario of the game.
The original ver is still canon?Original Continuity still exists, people miss that about how Kinoko Nasu does things...
Astolfo has all of those Noble Phantasms, yet he is still viciously nerfed by his insanity at the end of the day.
I would say that's a substantial problem especially since Astolfo is more closer to Chiron in that he has alot of tricks of the trade but he has nothing to really bolster him in one direction or the other.
The original ver is still canon?
I say that Astolfo's evaporation of sanity is a merit of his own right since it gives hin his own version of instinct
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