Tbf, avengers that aren't yoinked are either Guda2 char (technically Joke chars), Servant universe (who are hailed from another universe), alternate forms of an existing servant (Summer servants), or its SG already unstable to begin with (Marie alter)
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None of that matters as in a story perspective, they are all gone because being there with the Bleached Earth Phenomenon existing and the CF seeing Ritsuka as the "Enemy of Humanity" means that the injustice and rage the Avengers feel will inevitably come right to Ritsuka.
It's basically just further finding reasons despite the fact that those Servants exists, the Events we did happened and there's no point in pretending if they are suddenly canon or not because Nasu nor the other writers put in code having them all be Link Lost.
It's basically just further finding reasons despite the fact that those Servants exists, the Events we did happened and there's no point in pretending if they are suddenly canon or not because Nasu nor the other writers put in code having them all be Link Lost.
Yes, I know the reason why they are yoinked. And I am not saying the events are not canon. Just saying that there is a reason why Avengers that I mentioned are not yoinked and thus isn't treated as Link lost
Just found out there is a little mistake on the bolded
Those avengers aren’t yoinked, they are unsummoned themselves. Since Avengers are by human order purpose are destructive and vengeance focused against said injustice. Unless Guda has the same mindset as them, their saint graph destabilize since they can’t fulfill their main purpose (also with the fact that in bleached earth there is no injustice according to human order). Not wanting to see Guda to become unfettered, they decided to unsummoned themselves, while keeping their contract( for shadow servant purposes).
Ushi Gozen new summoning line even addressing this. Saying that she will disappear sooner than later.
So yeah, we can say goodbye to main story avengers
Ushi Gozen new summoning line even addressing this. Saying that she will disappear sooner than later.
So yeah, we can say goodbye to main story avengers
To actually put in perspective, it's a mixture of both:
Basically the Counter Force IS actually removing the Avengers from Chaldea to Antartica because remember, the CF sees Ritsuka as an enemy. However, the Avengers also accepted it without a fight because while Ritsuka did basically allow them to be seen as defenders of Humanity, how they are born and built runs so counter to how Ritsuka as a person operates that it's fucking them up combined with Ritsuka being the "guilty party" means their vengeance will definitely get Ritsuka killed.
Thus Dantes and alot of Avengers just straight up decided to leave Chaldea but leave their Shadows behind until, most likely, Ritsuka reveals to the CF that CHALDEAS is the true threat to Humanity. The reason why Marie Alter, Ushi Gozen and the others didn't leave is because they chose not to leave... but they are absolutely affected by the directive with Marie Alter's profile states she could disappear at any time and Ushi-Gozen's new summoning line about her potentially vanishing at any time. So it's basically conscious decisions on both grounds, still crazy that Marie Alter is one of the few to actually remain while Taira is the one to go.
Thus Dantes and alot of Avengers just straight up decided to leave Chaldea but leave their Shadows behind until, most likely, Ritsuka reveals to the CF that CHALDEAS is the true threat to Humanity. The reason why Marie Alter, Ushi Gozen and the others didn't leave is because they chose not to leave... but they are absolutely affected by the directive with Marie Alter's profile states she could disappear at any time and Ushi-Gozen's new summoning line about her potentially vanishing at any time. So it's basically conscious decisions on both grounds, still crazy that Marie Alter is one of the few to actually remain while Taira is the one to go.
Profile for both Cagliostro and new Dantes
I must say, Cagliostro profile makes Douman far more stronger than what he seems.
I must say, Cagliostro profile makes Douman far more stronger than what he seems.
I like how the Monster Crisis Event just outright states that an Anti-Army Noble Phantasm can take out a whole Archipelago and destroy all of the islands to bits...
Just really confirming the reach of these types of Noble Phantasms...
EDIT: Bringing in the pic now
Just further shitting on how dumb some of the worst Nasu takes can get.
Just really confirming the reach of these types of Noble Phantasms...
EDIT: Bringing in the pic now
Just further shitting on how dumb some of the worst Nasu takes can get.
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I... have no idea why you are focusing on that alone, we already knew that since it happened in the mobile game...
I have brought it up constantly and fought people who only looked at one side of it without even realizing how ridiculous it sounded.
I have brought it up constantly and fought people who only looked at one side of it without even realizing how ridiculous it sounded.
So FGO is getting 2 Collabs this year... surprising.
That's pretty much everyone's thoughts with FGO. It will only die when interests truly shrivel up and that's not happening anytime soon...
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I wonder how they'll handle the story. With Tsuki/Mahoyo and Fate being basically two different multiverses.
Actually, it's kinda implied that Mahoyo happens in both timelines(As Case Files explicitly happens in the Fate side(Which included Ryougi) and both Touko and Aoko are in that series and nothing showed they are any different than how they are from Mahoyo).
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Mahoyo, at this time is specifically a Tsuki world and its specifically tied to the Tsuki remake. It's not clear how it goes on the Fate side of things.
Case Files and KnK are both Fate worlds .
Also, don't remember Aoko being in Case Files or Adventures (tho i stopped following the latter for a while). She's in Clock Tower 2015 which is another Tsuki world linked work.
As for the story in FGO, it's probably gonna be fanservice BS, but there's a possibility that Mushroom man might drop some crumbs towards an eventual sequel which is gonna come out long after i die of kidney failure so ...yeah.
Case Files and KnK are both Fate worlds .
Also, don't remember Aoko being in Case Files or Adventures (tho i stopped following the latter for a while). She's in Clock Tower 2015 which is another Tsuki world linked work.
As for the story in FGO, it's probably gonna be fanservice BS, but there's a possibility that Mushroom man might drop some crumbs towards an eventual sequel which is gonna come out long after i die of kidney failure so ...yeah.
Thought it was linked closer to Fate but I guess it's not, it does explain some stuff though.
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I find it interesting how Nasu removed the restriction Arcueid had in those old Q&A sessions. Her backup works by her scanning the area and measuring her opponent's strength, including any weapon they might possess and then raising her level enough to annihilate her opponent based on her own individual judgement. She can even use her back up strategically, in case she believes the opponent is hiding a trump card she can raise her power even further. All this is part of her abilities as Ciel predicted, and her goal was to render her unconscious using an undetectable attack before destroying her with all the power she could muster.
It's stated True Ancestors have no limits but curiously Arcueid couldn't do this thing where she connected with the planet like this in her own route to repair her damaged vessel. And I think it had to do with her weakened state, since it's also mentioned she couldn't use Marble Phantasm, which is analogous to synchronizing with the world, for this same reason. Seems she needs at least 30% of Lifescale to use these abilities, which makes sense when you consider how many Authorities you can hold depend on Lifescale.
I also find it interesting how TAs are stated to have no limits to their power. With the only limitation being the speed and amount they can draw. From Katatsuki Kouhon:
In contrast True Ancestors have the ability to transform their vessel at will. I imagine it's kinda like having a hose and being able to change the size of the hose as well as the speed. Though the likes of Yu Meiren don't seem to have that capability, could be that's the limit of her Servant form though.
It's stated True Ancestors have no limits but curiously Arcueid couldn't do this thing where she connected with the planet like this in her own route to repair her damaged vessel. And I think it had to do with her weakened state, since it's also mentioned she couldn't use Marble Phantasm, which is analogous to synchronizing with the world, for this same reason. Seems she needs at least 30% of Lifescale to use these abilities, which makes sense when you consider how many Authorities you can hold depend on Lifescale.
I also find it interesting how TAs are stated to have no limits to their power. With the only limitation being the speed and amount they can draw. From Katatsuki Kouhon:
But other incarnated elementals like say Meiren are explicitly stated to have a limit:
Which I guess makes sense since she is only stated to be on a category parallel to True Ancestors. Kinda like dolphins and whales.
In contrast True Ancestors have the ability to transform their vessel at will. I imagine it's kinda like having a hose and being able to change the size of the hose as well as the speed. Though the likes of Yu Meiren don't seem to have that capability, could be that's the limit of her Servant form though.
So the TA's are like Android 17 and 18. Neat
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Obviously, the limits to their power is the limit of the Planet itself.
Also. It's directly stated in game that not even TAs can utilize Planetary scale power to do whatever they want cuz their vessels can't take it.
They might be able to draw as much power as they need to but their cap is at Planet Reset.
If they use that shit for anything else, the Planet cuts them off.
A-rei's don't.
And since they're Planetary scale Elementals just like the TAs, they're probably functioning within the same general paramaters sans TA Royalty or maybe even more specifically, the candidates for TM's vessels.
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