How are we figuring Ziz stacks up to Servants?
Sounded like UBW would only lose out to Astral Infant in terms of endurance (2000 years of mana vs 1 year for UBW)
I'll read through it and then catch up to you on that lol.
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I'll read through it and then catch up to you on that lol.
I’d ideally read it myself, but I haven’t found the time to really dig into anything lately
Yeah, I keep putting off the Dioscuri thing is not doing me any favors at all LMFAO.
But yeah, really should be reading the Manga even if I don't fully agree with them:
TL;DR The Manga of America translated the Fergus vs. Hektor fight and it confirmed something that people figured with Caladbolg II but expanded upon it even moreso than that.
Basically the Rainbows generated from Caladbolg absorbing all of the ambient Magical Energy and from Fergus literally generates a defensive light wall similar to Rhongomyniad and requires you piercing through ALL of the layers before you can hit Fergus.
This again gives more precedent to just how ridiculous you have to be to do it(As Hektor does pierce through Fergus with Durandiana) but also that Kid Fergus was still weaker than his adult self in using it.
Just too bad he's still stuck as a manwhore and this is his only other contribution period...
But yeah, really should be reading the Manga even if I don't fully agree with them:
TL;DR The Manga of America translated the Fergus vs. Hektor fight and it confirmed something that people figured with Caladbolg II but expanded upon it even moreso than that.
Basically the Rainbows generated from Caladbolg absorbing all of the ambient Magical Energy and from Fergus literally generates a defensive light wall similar to Rhongomyniad and requires you piercing through ALL of the layers before you can hit Fergus.
This again gives more precedent to just how ridiculous you have to be to do it(As Hektor does pierce through Fergus with Durandiana) but also that Kid Fergus was still weaker than his adult self in using it.
Just too bad he's still stuck as a manwhore and this is his only other contribution period...
@Xhominid The Apex gotta ask, is it possible to put a number on the full destruction of Nasuverse Earth to show exactly how much more impressive of a feat it'd be, compared to destroying our regular Earth?
It's hard to put an actual number on it because it's never been stated or shown outright which is why we tend to just go with Planetary+ or Large Planetary+ due to the factors of what Nasuverse Earth is composed of, it's various Realities and The Counter Forces on top of that.
Fair enough. Just felt like asking. Thanks lad.
It's no problem, it's a question I have seen alot of people ask and it gets really bad when I have to tell people Nasuverse Earth =/= actual Earth.
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The recent translation of the Shimousa Manga:
TL;DR Ritsuka's Shadow Servant Jack The Ripper is actually super effective against Shuten Douji... though it's only effective in basically "dulling her movements" and Shuten actually fulfilling the conditions for Maria The Ripper(It makes sense but you think it wouldn't include non-human females but whatever). Raikou basically bails out Shuten and tries to kill Shadow Jack but she ends up getting motherdumped and unable to destroy Jack's Bounded Field in time. The chapter ends with Musashi locked in and Shuten believing that she will be able to slash their Spirit Cores for certain.
Alright, I'm not finished with Lostbelt 7(As I am currently in the ORT Raids so Home Stretch) but there is alot of stuff in here that it will be difficult for me to TL;DR all of it so I will basically go with the heavy current ones that don't tend to be covered:
1. Stellar Level Saint Graph has been changed in the Official English Localization to Star Level Saint Graph. I only noticed this when they referred to ORT's awakening as Star Level rather than Stellar level which honestly makes sense. The way the franchise went was with them using the overall massive power levels was with the various Celestial Bodies(Satellite, 3rd Planetary, 2nd Planetary Class, potentially a 1st Planetary Class) so Star level fits in more than Stellar despite Stellar just means Star or Stars(The game already clarified that Star/Stellar Level Saint Graph is still basically > Goetia's Human Incineration plan through Goredolf's talk about how ridiculous U-Olga Marie is but since it went with Stellar instead of Star, I can see why people was confused since people tend to stick with the "fanon terms" more often than not... can't blame them when it comes to Artoria).
2. Tezcatlipoca's Authority that can manifest through his smoke can also screw with probabilities meaning not only does that mean you can completely fail to hurt Tezcatlipoca, he can use it to even deny that he lost a battle entirely. It is implied a Black Barrel blast at full power can disperse the smoke(but will bring down the entire cavern on them so it would be damn near full tilt) but U-Olga was able to blow through it so it's not ultra impressive considering how weak she was(which is still no mean feat anyway considering even in the Lostbelt and at 4%, only Kukulcan was her superior)
3. The Deinos can generate enough bio-electricity for it to act as the equivalent of electromagnetic armor(Which furthers with the Servant parallels with Servants having the equivalent of Spiritron Defenses) which can defend awhile against the weaponry from the Ocelemeh created by Tezcatlipoca reverse engineering Koyanskaya's weapons and the augmented skeletons of the Ka'An soldiers before ultimately failing.
4. It's really funny just how much insane shit Tenochtiltan can survive simply because of her being the equivalent of the heart of an Ancient City... which further makes sense in that structures back then was hilariously far more durable than anything in the modern day(though Nitocris does state she's jealous of the Storm Border) and it's hard to say if Tenoch would have the ability to actually damage the Border if it was completely fixed and operational.
5. The game makes it alot more clear that Daybit's use of the "Angels" is what allowed him to tie with Camazotz, along with Camazotz stating how it works means that he inadvertedly screwed up and got too many powerful "Angels" fighting against him combined with Daybit's Command Spell(As he stated, the more numbers you throw at Daybit, the more he will summon in return which is funny as in the small interlude of Kuku's flashback to her saving Goredolf and Kadoc, Daybit summoned 5 "Angels" against Divine Spirit Koyanskaya of Light so I'm missing something there).
EDIT: Atleast remembered somewhat the final thing I wanted to put down
6. The Official English Localization actually has Sion state LB ORT is inferior to PHH ORT and not because of it's heart being missing, just that it's inferior as a whole(Which wouldn't be ridiculous considering Tri-Hermes absolutely would have recorded ORT's arrival) but this is different in the fantranslation where LB ORT somehow diverged from PHH ORT but again, you can place it as it losing it's heart was that critical of a weakness but Sion even in the fantranslation calls it as "Subspecies" which never made sense to describe how weak it is.
Of course, you can say due to the critical timing differences of the Lostbelt and PHH, somehow these are 2 different ORTs entirely which is not off the table either(I mean ORT has to have a species after all)
1. Stellar Level Saint Graph has been changed in the Official English Localization to Star Level Saint Graph. I only noticed this when they referred to ORT's awakening as Star Level rather than Stellar level which honestly makes sense. The way the franchise went was with them using the overall massive power levels was with the various Celestial Bodies(Satellite, 3rd Planetary, 2nd Planetary Class, potentially a 1st Planetary Class) so Star level fits in more than Stellar despite Stellar just means Star or Stars(The game already clarified that Star/Stellar Level Saint Graph is still basically > Goetia's Human Incineration plan through Goredolf's talk about how ridiculous U-Olga Marie is but since it went with Stellar instead of Star, I can see why people was confused since people tend to stick with the "fanon terms" more often than not... can't blame them when it comes to Artoria).
2. Tezcatlipoca's Authority that can manifest through his smoke can also screw with probabilities meaning not only does that mean you can completely fail to hurt Tezcatlipoca, he can use it to even deny that he lost a battle entirely. It is implied a Black Barrel blast at full power can disperse the smoke(but will bring down the entire cavern on them so it would be damn near full tilt) but U-Olga was able to blow through it so it's not ultra impressive considering how weak she was(which is still no mean feat anyway considering even in the Lostbelt and at 4%, only Kukulcan was her superior)
3. The Deinos can generate enough bio-electricity for it to act as the equivalent of electromagnetic armor(Which furthers with the Servant parallels with Servants having the equivalent of Spiritron Defenses) which can defend awhile against the weaponry from the Ocelemeh created by Tezcatlipoca reverse engineering Koyanskaya's weapons and the augmented skeletons of the Ka'An soldiers before ultimately failing.
4. It's really funny just how much insane shit Tenochtiltan can survive simply because of her being the equivalent of the heart of an Ancient City... which further makes sense in that structures back then was hilariously far more durable than anything in the modern day(though Nitocris does state she's jealous of the Storm Border) and it's hard to say if Tenoch would have the ability to actually damage the Border if it was completely fixed and operational.
5. The game makes it alot more clear that Daybit's use of the "Angels" is what allowed him to tie with Camazotz, along with Camazotz stating how it works means that he inadvertedly screwed up and got too many powerful "Angels" fighting against him combined with Daybit's Command Spell(As he stated, the more numbers you throw at Daybit, the more he will summon in return which is funny as in the small interlude of Kuku's flashback to her saving Goredolf and Kadoc, Daybit summoned 5 "Angels" against Divine Spirit Koyanskaya of Light so I'm missing something there).
EDIT: Atleast remembered somewhat the final thing I wanted to put down
6. The Official English Localization actually has Sion state LB ORT is inferior to PHH ORT and not because of it's heart being missing, just that it's inferior as a whole(Which wouldn't be ridiculous considering Tri-Hermes absolutely would have recorded ORT's arrival) but this is different in the fantranslation where LB ORT somehow diverged from PHH ORT but again, you can place it as it losing it's heart was that critical of a weakness but Sion even in the fantranslation calls it as "Subspecies" which never made sense to describe how weak it is.
Of course, you can say due to the critical timing differences of the Lostbelt and PHH, somehow these are 2 different ORTs entirely which is not off the table either(I mean ORT has to have a species after all)
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Alright I finished Lostbelt 7 at long last and it's good, damn good for an ultimately "simple storyline" that is basically about defeating ORT... or Lostbelt ORT that's barely connected to PHH ORT...
Of course I had done some really bad takes in the past when it came to me guessing shit about LB7 when it came out in Japan(Stating what Daybit had in his chest was the Angel Relic rather than U-Olga's heart is a classic that I can never get out of my head...) so now that not only is the critical context finally there but I basically went through all of it, I can actually do the typical critique and praise I do for these Events and/or Storylines(And people should know I'm not biased I shat completely all over Heian-Kyo at NA release and I even tried to give it a fair shake meanwhile I think Shimousa was actually better than people give it credit for at the same time):
- The Deinos, The Ocelemeh and The World of Mictlan
Honestly, I have seen people in Beast's Lair actually state that Mictlan has the most amount of world-building out of all of the Lostbelts(including LB6)... but I'm inclined to state that I would say they are actually both neck and neck.
Mictlan absolutely has one of the better worlds of the Cosmos In The Lostbelt Saga and that's basically nonnegotiable in that you get actual major time tables, ruins of past civilizations, actual major differences and we see the damages of those differences all at once... but Faerie Britain has alot of those same elements, especially in regards to Mash's going back in time and even the bits we get is how radically different Faerie Britain was then... but of course, the stars of the show are the Deinos and they are the most tragic beings in all of the Lostbelts.
Say what you will about the Yaga or the citizens of QSH's Empire or even the Olympians and Faeries, atleast they have shown actual drive, the want to protect their land and some sad semblance if they just had the right hand, things could have been different(I mean again, the Faeries are absolute ass and they was fucked considering they spawned from those who committed the crimes and never learned shit)... but the Deinos... are just too perfect. The game does lay it on a bit too thick even at the beginning(But seeing as how many people I have seen missed plot critical lore or details... I can understand) that the Deinos are ultimately just too perfect but I feel it ultimately highlights the tragedy that they are everything Kirschtaria Wodime wanted in Humanity. They was uplifted by the Divine Filaments instead of Humanity who explicitly chose them because they was connected to The Earth and found out their arrival wiped out the Dinosaurs and uplifted them instead but went further and beyond. They became as strong, if not stronger than Servants, they have supercomputers for brains to the level that can easily rival any Atlas Alchemist, their bio-electricity can be fashioned in literal electromagnetic armor to block attacks and they heal extremely fast if they are hurt, they have telepathy and are empathetic to a fault and they basically can have the Malla just update them on anything new that ever appears... and then you found out that they was ultimately coddled so much by the Malla, despite living for 66 million years, they have absolutely nothing to their name.
They aren't want for conflict, needs or wants... but they also have never faced any level of hardship because the Malla refused to even allow them to take ORT's crash arrival at all or face the issues afterwards(Creating Mictlan and the first artifical Sun which basically crippled it doing so). By not having any real needs or wants, they ultimately never created any kind of culture which with Daybit's and Tezcatlipoca's arrival combined with their vast interest in Chaldea's stories about the Lostbelts, Singularities and PPH only further shows they never even thought of anything but their current situation(thus not even a single spark of creativity or "outside the box" thinking). Hell, they even accepted their own deaths/pruning/extinction as "shit happens" with remarkable grace that only heightens the sheer tragedy of the species. Even their final go at ORT is only done because the DoK/Blue Tezcatlipoca(I am not gonna even remotely type the actual name) literally told them that because there's no tomorrow, just do whatever today and even Tepeu has to bluntly state their refusal to even make the equivalent of a mistake is why he sees PHH as more successful than the Deinos when Mash tries to argue that the Deinos are what Humanity should strive for. It's honestly something you never really see be done that well in most fiction(You either get the typical perfect Elves that no one can ever argue with right... or you get the extremely shitty and stupid Elves that somehow just walk into extinction despite having the same mental faculties as humans) and it's a real breath of fresh air to see that yes, the Deinos could have very well been even more than that... if they was never coddled by the Malla, something even it regrets deeply.
- LB ORT
Alright, I'm gonna give an actual "controversial" take that goes against what I said 2 years back when I agreed with Type-Rey on LB ORT:
They actually did a damn fine job with actually selling the sheer terror and horror of ORT in the cutscenes, in the gameplay and even in the World Map. Like I have seen someone state something in the Discord and it's something that basically got me further wondering if ultimately Type-MOON never really hyped up ORT but if the fans themselves did. Now of course, there is still obvious precedent considering Notes exist and Notes still had the Ultimate Ones basically up and destroy a completely built up Humanity at that but that's still loads different than how it came off to me from the start.
Of course, the real controversial take is if you look at both the Official English Translation and Fantranslation that either states:
A) OE; That LB ORT isn't even remotely the same being as PHH ORT and is literally another being of it's species that became a weaker Ultimate One than PHH ORT even BEFORE we get to it losing it's Heart.
B) FT: LB ORT losing it's Heart is such a massive downgrade that it's basically a completely different lifeform than ORT is ala a subspecies.
So depending on which you wanna take, it can either be a slap in the face we didn't defeat the actual ORT or basically just a taste of how insane it is to even defeat an Ultimate One even as heavily weakened as LB ORT was.
- U-Olga Marie
She's a dork... but nah, I honestly enjoyed what Nasu wanted to do with her in that, shock, gasp, horror, she IS Olga Marie Animusphere somehow been absolutely modified into virtually an Ultimate One-Class being. Like yeah she was never gonna be the final boss(Have no idea what Kool-Aid I drunk there to believe she ever would be) but it's ultimately something to basically the universe basically never give Olga Marie any breaks and away from the funny moments it's just painful that the worst person standing infront of Olga Marie's happiness... is Olga Marie herself regardless if it's U-Olga or just Olga. It's as Daybit stated, she could have truly been the Commander that everyone loved if she ultimately was able to get over her daddy issues, her daddy being the symbol of excellence and Lev's venomous fangs and it's ultimately no different with Kotomine basically playing the same role. I remember before hearing that it's better if she just stayed dead rather than what they are doing now and back then, I disagreed... and I still do now. It would be the easy route to just have Olga Marie get her 2nd chance, squander it again and die for good(Especially as she was tortured in Chaldeas and suffered countless deaths) and say that's good shit but I feel it would ultimately be for the better to be able to give Olga Marie ultimately a happy ending(Especially as LB7 states the reason U-Olga never truly tried to regain her power... was so she can stay around Ritsuka and Mash with them fearing her).
- Daybit & Tezcatlipoca
Alright, this is where I begin to get somewhat critical... but not on Tezcatlipoca but on Daybit... and it's not even that Daybit's bad but I think I may have selected the wrong choices because I feel I didn't really get to truly know Daybit when it came to Daybit vs. Ritsuka face to face. I think Daybit's biggest issue is that unlike most Crypters, Nasu really went all in with Daybit's psychosis and the fact that he's basically a loner who can't talk or chat due to his 5 minutes of memory per day... but it really makes it hard to get to know him which is why it feels like Nasu gave him the most out of the Crypters to basically explain everything else either throw flashbacks or exposition from characters finding the bare minimum from Clock Tower Records or hypothesis that just happened to be correct. The issue with them is that it ultimately leaves him in the shuffle in comparison to Kadoc, Wodime or even Ophelia... normally but I did actually warm up to him in the final confrontation in which we actually get more to Daybit in that he really has a genuine sense of fair play(okay that was there when he gave us the equipment to get through the Underworld), him basically ribbing Tezcatlipoca any chance he gets and even being sore he ultimately lost. I just wish we had more of that when the official From Lostbelt Manga actually shows Daybit is capable of making an ass out of himself for a joke with Wodime in a random aside.
Meanwhile Tezcatlipoca... I'm usually not the type of person who says that a character wins me over on their very first conversation... but he won me over on his very first conversation. I can tell very much that Nasu wanted him to matter more because he got interested in everything about the Aztec God and I can see how. You have a character that is basically what his epithet represents(The Enemy of Both Sides) who values warriors(winners or losers) above all else... but he hates how Ritsuka has only ever won through sheer luck and never had any major injuries or death in the process... but then immediately has to consider that Ritsuka is in his Underworld and thus mean that he sees Ritsuka as a warrior unconsciously despite his conscious decisions. He's capable of tapping into the powers of every other Tezcatlipoca... except White(Quetzalcoatl) simply because he hates her with all his being, his effects of changing into his different forms is utterly different than any other being by basically becoming smoke itself. Even though the game isn't throwing him at you, you can basically understand fully that he's 100% without kissing the player's ass(Even mentioning he would have shot Ritsuka dead if they ever teamed up due to his preference for Daybit's dream) but at the same time ultimately accepting Ritsuka for what they are(Even if again he cannot stand the fact that it's mainly luck).
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Of course I had done some really bad takes in the past when it came to me guessing shit about LB7 when it came out in Japan(Stating what Daybit had in his chest was the Angel Relic rather than U-Olga's heart is a classic that I can never get out of my head...) so now that not only is the critical context finally there but I basically went through all of it, I can actually do the typical critique and praise I do for these Events and/or Storylines(And people should know I'm not biased I shat completely all over Heian-Kyo at NA release and I even tried to give it a fair shake meanwhile I think Shimousa was actually better than people give it credit for at the same time):
- The Deinos, The Ocelemeh and The World of Mictlan
Honestly, I have seen people in Beast's Lair actually state that Mictlan has the most amount of world-building out of all of the Lostbelts(including LB6)... but I'm inclined to state that I would say they are actually both neck and neck.
Mictlan absolutely has one of the better worlds of the Cosmos In The Lostbelt Saga and that's basically nonnegotiable in that you get actual major time tables, ruins of past civilizations, actual major differences and we see the damages of those differences all at once... but Faerie Britain has alot of those same elements, especially in regards to Mash's going back in time and even the bits we get is how radically different Faerie Britain was then... but of course, the stars of the show are the Deinos and they are the most tragic beings in all of the Lostbelts.
Say what you will about the Yaga or the citizens of QSH's Empire or even the Olympians and Faeries, atleast they have shown actual drive, the want to protect their land and some sad semblance if they just had the right hand, things could have been different(I mean again, the Faeries are absolute ass and they was fucked considering they spawned from those who committed the crimes and never learned shit)... but the Deinos... are just too perfect. The game does lay it on a bit too thick even at the beginning(But seeing as how many people I have seen missed plot critical lore or details... I can understand) that the Deinos are ultimately just too perfect but I feel it ultimately highlights the tragedy that they are everything Kirschtaria Wodime wanted in Humanity. They was uplifted by the Divine Filaments instead of Humanity who explicitly chose them because they was connected to The Earth and found out their arrival wiped out the Dinosaurs and uplifted them instead but went further and beyond. They became as strong, if not stronger than Servants, they have supercomputers for brains to the level that can easily rival any Atlas Alchemist, their bio-electricity can be fashioned in literal electromagnetic armor to block attacks and they heal extremely fast if they are hurt, they have telepathy and are empathetic to a fault and they basically can have the Malla just update them on anything new that ever appears... and then you found out that they was ultimately coddled so much by the Malla, despite living for 66 million years, they have absolutely nothing to their name.
They aren't want for conflict, needs or wants... but they also have never faced any level of hardship because the Malla refused to even allow them to take ORT's crash arrival at all or face the issues afterwards(Creating Mictlan and the first artifical Sun which basically crippled it doing so). By not having any real needs or wants, they ultimately never created any kind of culture which with Daybit's and Tezcatlipoca's arrival combined with their vast interest in Chaldea's stories about the Lostbelts, Singularities and PPH only further shows they never even thought of anything but their current situation(thus not even a single spark of creativity or "outside the box" thinking). Hell, they even accepted their own deaths/pruning/extinction as "shit happens" with remarkable grace that only heightens the sheer tragedy of the species. Even their final go at ORT is only done because the DoK/Blue Tezcatlipoca(I am not gonna even remotely type the actual name) literally told them that because there's no tomorrow, just do whatever today and even Tepeu has to bluntly state their refusal to even make the equivalent of a mistake is why he sees PHH as more successful than the Deinos when Mash tries to argue that the Deinos are what Humanity should strive for. It's honestly something you never really see be done that well in most fiction(You either get the typical perfect Elves that no one can ever argue with right... or you get the extremely shitty and stupid Elves that somehow just walk into extinction despite having the same mental faculties as humans) and it's a real breath of fresh air to see that yes, the Deinos could have very well been even more than that... if they was never coddled by the Malla, something even it regrets deeply.
- LB ORT
Alright, I'm gonna give an actual "controversial" take that goes against what I said 2 years back when I agreed with Type-Rey on LB ORT:
They actually did a damn fine job with actually selling the sheer terror and horror of ORT in the cutscenes, in the gameplay and even in the World Map. Like I have seen someone state something in the Discord and it's something that basically got me further wondering if ultimately Type-MOON never really hyped up ORT but if the fans themselves did. Now of course, there is still obvious precedent considering Notes exist and Notes still had the Ultimate Ones basically up and destroy a completely built up Humanity at that but that's still loads different than how it came off to me from the start.
Of course, the real controversial take is if you look at both the Official English Translation and Fantranslation that either states:
A) OE; That LB ORT isn't even remotely the same being as PHH ORT and is literally another being of it's species that became a weaker Ultimate One than PHH ORT even BEFORE we get to it losing it's Heart.
B) FT: LB ORT losing it's Heart is such a massive downgrade that it's basically a completely different lifeform than ORT is ala a subspecies.
So depending on which you wanna take, it can either be a slap in the face we didn't defeat the actual ORT or basically just a taste of how insane it is to even defeat an Ultimate One even as heavily weakened as LB ORT was.
- U-Olga Marie
She's a dork... but nah, I honestly enjoyed what Nasu wanted to do with her in that, shock, gasp, horror, she IS Olga Marie Animusphere somehow been absolutely modified into virtually an Ultimate One-Class being. Like yeah she was never gonna be the final boss(Have no idea what Kool-Aid I drunk there to believe she ever would be) but it's ultimately something to basically the universe basically never give Olga Marie any breaks and away from the funny moments it's just painful that the worst person standing infront of Olga Marie's happiness... is Olga Marie herself regardless if it's U-Olga or just Olga. It's as Daybit stated, she could have truly been the Commander that everyone loved if she ultimately was able to get over her daddy issues, her daddy being the symbol of excellence and Lev's venomous fangs and it's ultimately no different with Kotomine basically playing the same role. I remember before hearing that it's better if she just stayed dead rather than what they are doing now and back then, I disagreed... and I still do now. It would be the easy route to just have Olga Marie get her 2nd chance, squander it again and die for good(Especially as she was tortured in Chaldeas and suffered countless deaths) and say that's good shit but I feel it would ultimately be for the better to be able to give Olga Marie ultimately a happy ending(Especially as LB7 states the reason U-Olga never truly tried to regain her power... was so she can stay around Ritsuka and Mash with them fearing her).
- Daybit & Tezcatlipoca
Alright, this is where I begin to get somewhat critical... but not on Tezcatlipoca but on Daybit... and it's not even that Daybit's bad but I think I may have selected the wrong choices because I feel I didn't really get to truly know Daybit when it came to Daybit vs. Ritsuka face to face. I think Daybit's biggest issue is that unlike most Crypters, Nasu really went all in with Daybit's psychosis and the fact that he's basically a loner who can't talk or chat due to his 5 minutes of memory per day... but it really makes it hard to get to know him which is why it feels like Nasu gave him the most out of the Crypters to basically explain everything else either throw flashbacks or exposition from characters finding the bare minimum from Clock Tower Records or hypothesis that just happened to be correct. The issue with them is that it ultimately leaves him in the shuffle in comparison to Kadoc, Wodime or even Ophelia... normally but I did actually warm up to him in the final confrontation in which we actually get more to Daybit in that he really has a genuine sense of fair play(okay that was there when he gave us the equipment to get through the Underworld), him basically ribbing Tezcatlipoca any chance he gets and even being sore he ultimately lost. I just wish we had more of that when the official From Lostbelt Manga actually shows Daybit is capable of making an ass out of himself for a joke with Wodime in a random aside.
Meanwhile Tezcatlipoca... I'm usually not the type of person who says that a character wins me over on their very first conversation... but he won me over on his very first conversation. I can tell very much that Nasu wanted him to matter more because he got interested in everything about the Aztec God and I can see how. You have a character that is basically what his epithet represents(The Enemy of Both Sides) who values warriors(winners or losers) above all else... but he hates how Ritsuka has only ever won through sheer luck and never had any major injuries or death in the process... but then immediately has to consider that Ritsuka is in his Underworld and thus mean that he sees Ritsuka as a warrior unconsciously despite his conscious decisions. He's capable of tapping into the powers of every other Tezcatlipoca... except White(Quetzalcoatl) simply because he hates her with all his being, his effects of changing into his different forms is utterly different than any other being by basically becoming smoke itself. Even though the game isn't throwing him at you, you can basically understand fully that he's 100% without kissing the player's ass(Even mentioning he would have shot Ritsuka dead if they ever teamed up due to his preference for Daybit's dream) but at the same time ultimately accepting Ritsuka for what they are(Even if again he cannot stand the fact that it's mainly luck).
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Alright, these will be much, much shorter:
-Kukulcan(or Kukulkan if you are basically JP guy)
Alright ultimately, it's just me but basically she acts like Quetz, talks like Quetz and I just tend to dig characters like Quetz so basically, she's easily up there for me... but, I can also see where some people come from that basically, she's there to basically be the bait character... though I don't agree with that. It's plan as day that Kukulcan is basically like Arcueid and like V/V, a character completely alien to Earth as a whole(moreso due to being from Mictlan) who is literally from an Ultimate One and has to figure out to be her own person rather than just acting through the motions with the aid of the people, the MC and her environment and I think FGO did that fine for her.
It's stated that Kukulcan has faked her emotions to some degree until the last bits of the Lostbelt... but we also have the characters mention she's innately too good to even try and kill anyone in Chaldea. She's the Arbitrator of the Malla and tends to stay away from anything that happens in Mictlan unless it's outsiders(i.e. Attacking Chaldea and U-Olga Marie when they entered the Lostbelt on impulse)... but it's also stated she actually felt bad for it after actually meeting Chaldea to the point of refusing to use that ability in efforts to not become their enemy which is also tied to her being modeled after Quetzalcoatl by the Malla and idolizing her at that. It can come off ridiculous that the game keeps shutting her away for stakes(Still it makes sense) but it does make sense that she is still ultimately one year old and unable to even grasp the position she's in. Can't really get mad over her basically being "waifu bait" when that's basically how V/V sorta was for Gun God in Notes(Though Kuku fits V/V far more than Arcueid).
- Izcalli/Montezuma II
Yeah, I feel that FGO didn't really go all the way with him as I liked and I would say this is probably the main strike against the Lostbelt itself past the Ocelemeh(Which hilariously I will cover here rather than the section they was supposed to be covered in LOL). The point of Izcalli is that despite his absolute hatred of PHH and it basically polluting itself everywhere else, it's utterly betrayed by the fact that at the end of the day, he's still just Montezuma the Second. Having him literally becoming Hernan Cortez but for the Deinos is an extremely nice touch of irony but it absolutely feels like he gets nowhere near enough coverage for Tlaloc's thoughts about him to really mean anything worthwhile. All we get is that he's despises PHH, wants Mictlan to stick around and the Ocelemeh to be the new beings around... that's pretty much it. Sad we really don't get him coming to gripes with his actual being or anything. The Ocelemeh as a whole are in the same boat where if they was revealed who they was faster and ultimately being more than just bad guys rather than at the end, it would give more weight to their deaths. It gets more messed up when they actually bring in that the reason the Ocelemeh felt so pissed was due to how the Deinos saw them as nothing but insects but respected Vucub because he saw them as actual rivals and that could have easily been touched on more... if we got actual time for it.
- Tlaloc/Tenochiltan
Eh? I feel like her issue isn't as bad as Izcalli's but it's still the same problem: Tlaloc was basically the villain for most of the Lostbelt, then we really get into her at the end but there is really not that much time and thus, anything we could have gotten from her was too fast tracked. Unlike Izcalli, atleast Tlaloc actually gets more than "Hates Proper Human History" by actually delving into more than that by having her play "sister" to Tezcatlipoca, resonate with Izcalli due to him basically dying in her city and witnessing the fall of the Empire like she did and ultimately wanting to protect the Ocelemeh because it's basically her second chance. So basically, she was good, could have been better.
- Camazotz
Okay, basically the 2nd best thing from the Lostbelt and it's not even remotely hard to understand why. Despite it basically being a "simple Lostbelt story", everything about Camazotz is basically the mirror to the Deinos but in a different fashion. The Deinos are tragic because with all of their abilities, they are far too passive to do anything with them to any meaningful degree while Camazotz wants to desperately protect any kind of Humanity... but no matter what happens, he just can't win. Ka'an absolutely sacrificed everything for Camazotz and despite him saying he felt nothing, him going completely batshit insane and having to literally forgot the magnitude of his suffering because "suicide is the coward's way out" completely goes against that. Even ultimately finding new love with Nitocris ultimately bites him in the ass and leads to his death that was basically a mercy killing. He honestly had the right amount of screentime like Tez and wasn't overblown either(Especially since as it was implied he was readying for ORT's comeback well in advance with the Alterization of the 3 Servants).
- Vucub
Yeah I'm actually ending it with this guy. Not Nitocris(That she was bad here at all) or the other Underworld Guardians(I genuinely love Kingprotea Alter and wish Beni-Enma Alter became a summonable Servant already) or even Tepeu(He's the absolute bro and the best LB Companion by far) but Vucub because it's extremely easy to miss that Vucub... is basically a tragedy on his own. He's not only the last of the Pterosaurs but is literally disgraced and can't even assume flight due to the customs that the skies only belongs to the Sun and to Kukulcan(Who is the personification of that Sun). Due to being the only Pterosaur, Vucub's thought processes unironically has him closer to Humanity than his fellow Deinos which to them, he seems completely insane(which further shows the tragedy of the Deinos) but it also gives him the insight that none of the other Deinos have outside of Tepeu seeing Death differently due to his Mystic Eyes.
Yes, he basically wants nothing to do with Chaldea, Daybit or Tezcatlipoca... but because of them bringing in new culture and Deinos hopped onto that like a cat in heat(Even just gaining English because they couldn't even create their own language), it just further Vucub's point. Vucub stating it's insane the Deinos are just okay with death while the Ocelemeh is trying desperately to save the Sun? Does it justify his betrayal and the deaths of the Deinos just so he can rule Chichen Itza instead of KoD? Absolutely not but there's still merit to why he did what he did. Even for a bit character like him who ultimately went out in the same fashion as the other Deinos, you can ultimately understand just how messed up it is in his situation to see all this happen and reach the same conclusion Tepeu did far faster... but still ultimately be nothing more than unable to change a damn thing.
Great Lostbelt 8/10. Ordeal Stall incoming though.
Alright, these will be much, much shorter:
-Kukulcan(or Kukulkan if you are basically JP guy)
Alright ultimately, it's just me but basically she acts like Quetz, talks like Quetz and I just tend to dig characters like Quetz so basically, she's easily up there for me... but, I can also see where some people come from that basically, she's there to basically be the bait character... though I don't agree with that. It's plan as day that Kukulcan is basically like Arcueid and like V/V, a character completely alien to Earth as a whole(moreso due to being from Mictlan) who is literally from an Ultimate One and has to figure out to be her own person rather than just acting through the motions with the aid of the people, the MC and her environment and I think FGO did that fine for her.
It's stated that Kukulcan has faked her emotions to some degree until the last bits of the Lostbelt... but we also have the characters mention she's innately too good to even try and kill anyone in Chaldea. She's the Arbitrator of the Malla and tends to stay away from anything that happens in Mictlan unless it's outsiders(i.e. Attacking Chaldea and U-Olga Marie when they entered the Lostbelt on impulse)... but it's also stated she actually felt bad for it after actually meeting Chaldea to the point of refusing to use that ability in efforts to not become their enemy which is also tied to her being modeled after Quetzalcoatl by the Malla and idolizing her at that. It can come off ridiculous that the game keeps shutting her away for stakes(Still it makes sense) but it does make sense that she is still ultimately one year old and unable to even grasp the position she's in. Can't really get mad over her basically being "waifu bait" when that's basically how V/V sorta was for Gun God in Notes(Though Kuku fits V/V far more than Arcueid).
- Izcalli/Montezuma II
Yeah, I feel that FGO didn't really go all the way with him as I liked and I would say this is probably the main strike against the Lostbelt itself past the Ocelemeh(Which hilariously I will cover here rather than the section they was supposed to be covered in LOL). The point of Izcalli is that despite his absolute hatred of PHH and it basically polluting itself everywhere else, it's utterly betrayed by the fact that at the end of the day, he's still just Montezuma the Second. Having him literally becoming Hernan Cortez but for the Deinos is an extremely nice touch of irony but it absolutely feels like he gets nowhere near enough coverage for Tlaloc's thoughts about him to really mean anything worthwhile. All we get is that he's despises PHH, wants Mictlan to stick around and the Ocelemeh to be the new beings around... that's pretty much it. Sad we really don't get him coming to gripes with his actual being or anything. The Ocelemeh as a whole are in the same boat where if they was revealed who they was faster and ultimately being more than just bad guys rather than at the end, it would give more weight to their deaths. It gets more messed up when they actually bring in that the reason the Ocelemeh felt so pissed was due to how the Deinos saw them as nothing but insects but respected Vucub because he saw them as actual rivals and that could have easily been touched on more... if we got actual time for it.
- Tlaloc/Tenochiltan
Eh? I feel like her issue isn't as bad as Izcalli's but it's still the same problem: Tlaloc was basically the villain for most of the Lostbelt, then we really get into her at the end but there is really not that much time and thus, anything we could have gotten from her was too fast tracked. Unlike Izcalli, atleast Tlaloc actually gets more than "Hates Proper Human History" by actually delving into more than that by having her play "sister" to Tezcatlipoca, resonate with Izcalli due to him basically dying in her city and witnessing the fall of the Empire like she did and ultimately wanting to protect the Ocelemeh because it's basically her second chance. So basically, she was good, could have been better.
- Camazotz
Okay, basically the 2nd best thing from the Lostbelt and it's not even remotely hard to understand why. Despite it basically being a "simple Lostbelt story", everything about Camazotz is basically the mirror to the Deinos but in a different fashion. The Deinos are tragic because with all of their abilities, they are far too passive to do anything with them to any meaningful degree while Camazotz wants to desperately protect any kind of Humanity... but no matter what happens, he just can't win. Ka'an absolutely sacrificed everything for Camazotz and despite him saying he felt nothing, him going completely batshit insane and having to literally forgot the magnitude of his suffering because "suicide is the coward's way out" completely goes against that. Even ultimately finding new love with Nitocris ultimately bites him in the ass and leads to his death that was basically a mercy killing. He honestly had the right amount of screentime like Tez and wasn't overblown either(Especially since as it was implied he was readying for ORT's comeback well in advance with the Alterization of the 3 Servants).
- Vucub
Yeah I'm actually ending it with this guy. Not Nitocris(That she was bad here at all) or the other Underworld Guardians(I genuinely love Kingprotea Alter and wish Beni-Enma Alter became a summonable Servant already) or even Tepeu(He's the absolute bro and the best LB Companion by far) but Vucub because it's extremely easy to miss that Vucub... is basically a tragedy on his own. He's not only the last of the Pterosaurs but is literally disgraced and can't even assume flight due to the customs that the skies only belongs to the Sun and to Kukulcan(Who is the personification of that Sun). Due to being the only Pterosaur, Vucub's thought processes unironically has him closer to Humanity than his fellow Deinos which to them, he seems completely insane(which further shows the tragedy of the Deinos) but it also gives him the insight that none of the other Deinos have outside of Tepeu seeing Death differently due to his Mystic Eyes.
Yes, he basically wants nothing to do with Chaldea, Daybit or Tezcatlipoca... but because of them bringing in new culture and Deinos hopped onto that like a cat in heat(Even just gaining English because they couldn't even create their own language), it just further Vucub's point. Vucub stating it's insane the Deinos are just okay with death while the Ocelemeh is trying desperately to save the Sun? Does it justify his betrayal and the deaths of the Deinos just so he can rule Chichen Itza instead of KoD? Absolutely not but there's still merit to why he did what he did. Even for a bit character like him who ultimately went out in the same fashion as the other Deinos, you can ultimately understand just how messed up it is in his situation to see all this happen and reach the same conclusion Tepeu did far faster... but still ultimately be nothing more than unable to change a damn thing.
Great Lostbelt 8/10. Ordeal Stall incoming though.
Pandora reminding everyone this is a magical girl show and thus the final boss must be a magical girl as well
Craziest thing is that the Counter Force actually outwardly works for once even in the damn near dead ass world of the Miyuverse.
It fucking manifested of all things
The fact that Tanaka is the first thing we get since Mahoyo indicating the actual personality of the Counter Force is fucking wild
Right down to "idgaf if humanity lives tbh"
ha After months of taking way too damn long to do this despite how little they appear otherwise, finished the Dioscuri section.
I'm most likely gonna have Caligula AND Romulus Quirinus be on the same page because there's not much on either even including Caligula's Event appearance and Quirinus' Interlude(THANKS BOUDICA... we really needed to know again you hate Rome for the billionth time).
Some nice designs from the Case Files Manga of Kay and The Corpse King.