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Another Chaldea Breakroom and this time on Kukulcan. Surprisingly, her Cosmic form was gonna be based on the murals and codices of Quetzalcoatl before the change and... if you seen Quetzalcoatl's depictions there, it would be pretty unique(Also because Quetzalcoatl already takes a bit from the humanoid mural so I guess Kuku would just be further aping from Quetz).
 
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From the little spoilers I have seen and I do not plan on digging into anytime soon:

Mash finally does fight Galahad and gain a whole ass new form and is utterly cracked(It seems to be a combo of her Servant/Galahad and her Ortinax Forms including Black Barrel Replica) gameplay wise.
Kadoc dies in OC4.
And yep, Metatron is an Archangel so apparently they can be Pseudo-Servants atleast(Which hit something I did talk about and should have realized Nasu would go in that direction in that there's a theory that people misconstrued that other religions and their deities and demons are just more of God's Angels and Demons respectively and that technically Archangels would be the equivalent of the head honchos of pantheons due to how strong the fallen Angel Lucifer is).

So it seems like they really are putting down all of the chips in Ordeal Call after the first one.
 
I readed the fight and Mash can enter in the top 10 of strongest servants with this , Excalibur potency and possibly the tankiest Servant
 
Her skill set is ludicrously stacked :wow

Our kouhai returns to her rightful position as giga-defensive support, now with optional nuclear beam cannon.
 

TLDR: In magecraft terms Angels are vessels of power and effectively super duper Mystic Codes with no real will of their own, unlike the biblical Angels which are Divine Spirits. Biblical Angels are so goated they can’t actually be summoned so they’re mostly irrelevant to Mages and when ya mention an Angel ya usually mean the super duper Mystic Codes.

So less that Angels didn’t exist, more that “for our purposes, they’re irrelevant”. It’s very similar to how we always deal with fake Devils and True Devils are super goated and have never officially materialized during the entire history of Earth.
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Yep, so I wasn't wrong after all, Metatron is just an exception like Romulus Quirinus and Tezcatlipoca being able to be Grand Servants. Biblical Angels literally cannot be summoned at all.

EDIT: Nope, should have looked deeper into this, it's just another "Super Duper Mystic Code" that bears his name. It's basically like the Angelic Artifact in LB7.
 
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Yep, so I wasn't wrong after all, Metatron is just an exception like Romulus Quirinus and Tezcatlipoca being able to be Grand Servants. Biblical Angels literally cannot be summoned at all.

EDIT: Nope, should have looked deeper into this, it's just another "Super Duper Mystic Code" that bears his name. It's basically like the Angelic Artifact in LB7.
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Apparently it is the way God or angels communicate with humans.
So God is a gamer :obamalaugh
 
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Apparently it is the way God or angels communicate with humans.
So God is a gamer :obamalaugh
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No, it's not that either.
It's the fact that Metatron Jeanne we see is not connected to THE Metatron at all, but an insanely powerful Mystic Code similar to what Daybit was affected by the Angelic Artifact that's also seen as similar to the Angel of the same name.
If anything, it only shows just how insanely powerful these Mystic Codes are that they are the only things Mages can even recognize Angels as otherwise, they can't even summon one no matter how hard they try.

Which again really puts into context how OP God and the Abrahamic Faith really is, Nasu really does get it more than most Japanese writers/authors do.
 
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Uh? We knew that even from the start that's what Ordeal Call 4 was about...
Hell, if you played Extella, the entire existence of the Lostbelts being real but the nature of how they came around in the current day is the only thing fabricated about them.
The game otherwise never made any bones of the fact that they was false or otherwise or what Ritsuka and Novum Chaldea was doing at the end of the day wasn't killing untold number of humans and otherwise.

Hell, it's dumber seeing people acting SHOCKED that Ritsuka is put on trial for this when Astraea's own Interlude explicitly stated that she will have to judge Ritsuka eventually for the Lostbelt Situation despite helping them(And judging herself for helping).
 
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It's still funny that they reference Akuta Hinako/Yu Meiren getting rid of hers but never bring her up in the story in front of Kadoc in the slightest... which is sad considering this is Kadoc's swan song. But I guess that it makes even more sense as she wouldn't want to witness her friends dying in any capacity so...
But I do like how they mentioned that's the real reason they can't get rid of the Siriuslight which... goddamn.

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FGO is basically Nier plot twist ending but again and again and again.
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Yes, it's why the Lostbelt situation was always so fucked as while they was pruned before, it was through a machine-level process by Alaya vs. being given a literal miracle and Ritsuka taking that away and damning entire timelines and untold levels of deaths. Proper Human History has to reassert it's place but that doesn't mean Ritsuka won't be judged for their actions.
 
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Yeah, the whole "we're killing entire worlds of real people to save ours" is kind of the point of Cosmos in the Lostbelt.

It's the other side of Ritsuka and Chaldea being humanity's will to survive. It's great when that means "beat the guy whose fucking with our future" like in part 1, but in a battle royale like part 2 it means repeatedly committing genocide.

If anything I wish the story leaned more into the consequences and mental burden this would put on Chaldea.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
From the little spoilers I have seen and I do not plan on digging into anytime soon:

Mash finally does fight Galahad and gain a whole ass new form and is utterly cracked(It seems to be a combo of her Servant/Galahad and her Ortinax Forms including Black Barrel Replica) gameplay wise.
Kadoc dies in OC4.
And yep, Metatron is an Archangel so apparently they can be Pseudo-Servants atleast(Which hit something I did talk about and should have realized Nasu would go in that direction in that there's a theory that people misconstrued that other religions and their deities and demons are just more of God's Angels and Demons respectively and that technically Archangels would be the equivalent of the head honchos of pantheons due to how strong the fallen Angel Lucifer is).

So it seems like they really are putting down all of the chips in Ordeal Call after the first one.
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how did Kadoc dies ?
 
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how did Kadoc dies ?
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Basically Metatron Jeanne always had a full on bias against PHH and stacked the deck explicitly against Novum Chaldea and Fujimaru and thus Kadoc used his Siriuslight to literally bring his Anastasia back to bring in proof that the Chaldea Slaughter was done by him and her and not connected to anyway to Ritsuka.
He's able to give a hug to Ritsuka, sends his regards and hopes Ana covers for them and Ahsoka literally sends him to Heaven.
So he actually got a really nice send off, especially as they didn't rush him in the slightest.
 
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