TYPE-Moon/Nasuverse Feats/General Thread - People Die If They Are Killed Edition

[Xhominid The Apex]

Oh yeah, Armor of Fafnir is "built-in" armor NP unlike Constantine's NP. Makes sense Siegfried able to tank it.
If anything this shows how bullshit Astolfo and his hippogriff is, seeing he's able to evade most of those arrows and dealing double kill to Tametomo

As Vespa stated earlier(So I don't seem like I'm repeating him), Armor of Fafnir basically subtracts Ranks that are able to damage it before it becomes actual damage(i.e. a Rank A Noble Phantasm that bypasses Armor of Fafnir is then subtracted by the B Rank requirement = E Rank on Damage).
So it's a conceptual buff.
And as Vespa also stated, Hippogriff always was stupid because it literally dimension shifts(Okita Alter can do it too which is why she seems to vanish in her ingame battle animations) which was why it was able to avoid Tametomo's shots.

So how strong is Astolfo anyway?

Weakest of the Paladins bar none even with Monstrous Strength but has the far more ridiculous NPs of most(outside of Roland and his stupid conceptual bullshit skin defense and Durandal and Charlemagne's Joyuese Orde)

 

[Type-Rey]

Interesting tidbit from Lumina mats.
In the Tsuki worlds, the Throne of Heroes doesn't even exist or if it does..it doesn't do what it does in the Fate worlds so no wonder the CF sucks .

From Saber's mats :

"After death, she became a Servant, engraved into the the 'Throne of Heroes' for her legendary deeds. Now she has manifested in a world where the mechanisms of the Throne of Heroes do not exist, and so heads out to explore the city of Souya in order to solve the mystery of her own summoning..."

 

[Paxton]

So the Beasts aren't really dead right? Because I saw something about Goetia and Tiamat still being alive and kicking to this day.

And on that note, Beasts have alternate timeline versions of themselves right? Or does Independent Manifestation say no to that and that they're singular existences.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

So the Beasts aren't really dead right? Because I saw something about Goetia and Tiamat still being alive and kicking to this day.

And on that note, Beasts have alternate timeline versions of themselves right? Or does Independent Manifestation say no to that and that they're singular existences.

1. Beasts are stupid hard to kill, they CAN die permanently but usually, they have multiple ways to survive. Goetia is heavily implied to not be dead and is impersonating Romani Archaman(Alot of Goetia's mannerisms are very much there) as The Chaldean.

Tiamat was heavily implied to not be dead in her materials even after everything that happened and a full scale Enuma Elish and in Arcade, was completely confirmed she was just put back in her prison and can just make a Pseudo-Divine Spirit version of herself so that "Humans defeating her didn't suddenly mean shit".

Kiara was killed twice and basically used mulligans to avoid perma-death and Kama was planning on killing herself but Kiara stopped that.

Sodom's Beast explicitly became Draco and working with Arcade Chaldeas after her defeat and Koyanskaya explicitly was never defeated, she just allowed "herself" to be summoned as 2 halves(So she basically exists in 3 places at once)

2. Beasts don't actually have Alternate versions of themselves... in a sense. Once a Beast fully manifests, they are confirmed existences and thus get Independent Manifestation for it:
Independent Manifestation (単独顕現, Tandoku Kengen?) is a special Skill that permits unsupported manifestation into reality, without necessity of energy cost or of summoning by a Master; effectively, the Skill serves as an enhanced version of Independent Action. This skill signifies a confirmed existence. Those with this skill have resistance to instant death and time-control attacks. The Skill is normally restricted to the Beast class.[1]

For example, it's heavily implied whatever the hell Manaka became is a part of Beast VI and is still going across Universes and Timelines which was Arthur's entire mission. Meanwhile it's implied CCC Kiara became something like a Beast before she ultimately transcended further than that.
So it seems there can only be one manifested Beast in general even across Universes if I'm right about it.

 

[Type-Rey]

Manaka *

 

[Paxton]

Stupid question, but if Shiki can use projectiles to cut lines/dots of death, why not just use a gun?

Or at least some kind of ranged weapon.

 

[Vespa Crabro]

Because half the time shiki's fighting shit that can murder him before he registers a thought as was the case with kouma where he could only win because it wasn't the real deal

That and nanaya genes OP

 

[Uoruk]

Yeah pretty much

So he ends up just relying on his Nanaya training/instinct

and its more fun to shank people

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

There's also the fact that Nasuverse Humans as a whole can easily and effortlessly react to bullets well after they are fired so unless you are taking them by complete surprise, good fucking luck with that anyway.

 

[Paxton]

Random question, but how many "alien races" exist in the Nasuverse anyway?

Like there's whoever created the Moon Cell, the Velber, the lunar civilization that Crimson/Type-Moon led (if that counts), and the homeworld/race that the Machine Gods/Chaos hailed from right?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Random question, but how many "alien races" exist in the Nasuverse anyway?

Like there's whoever created the Moon Cell, the Velber, the lunar civilization that Crimson/Type-Moon led (if that counts), and the homeworld/race that the Machine Gods/Chaos hailed from right?

No idea due to how it works. The only ones we know is Velber, whoever the hell created the Moon Cell(if it wasn't somehow Velber), The Aristotles(The Ultimate Ones) of our Solar System and the Machine Gods.
There is the "Foreign God" and "Foreign Planet" but we don't know shit about if they are really aliens or not.

 

[Paxton]

So what exactly is Saver capable of anyway?

I know he's fuck-strong and can keep up with Kiara (so he's like solar system+ at a minimum) and has some kind of invincibility(?) but that's about it.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

So what exactly is Saver capable of anyway?

I know he's fuck-strong and can keep up with Kiara (so he's like solar system+ at a minimum) and has some kind of invincibility(?) but that's about it.

You lucky I was gonna get started on this myself in another topic but...
Noble Phantasms

Wu Xing Shan – Shijia Rulai Zhang (The Five Elements Mountain – Shakyamuni Tathagata’s Palm)
Rank: B
Classification: Anti-Army~Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~40
Maximum Number of Targets: 1~100 people

Xuanzang Sanzang borrows a small portion of the power of Shakyamuni, who serves as the venerable Buddha and as her teacher (of a previous existence) in the heavens. The “edge of the world” that Sun Wukong once reached————that is to say, the very palm of a gigantic Shakyamuni – falls down from the skies and chastises the antagonists who show contempt for Buddhism. An Anti-Army~Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm. The heel of the Enlightened One’s palm.

Why is this important? Why am I talking about Sanzang's Noble Phantasm?
She killed Amun Ra with it...
No seriously, a small portion of Buddha's power was able to kill the Top God of the Egyptian Pantheon as if he was a scrub(Ozymandias used the Holy Grail to summon the Demon God Amun and then became him but using the fact he is a Child of Ra, he christened it Amun Ra, gaining full control on top of basically making it become Amun Ra for a decent amount of time):


Buddha weakens the Hero's rank by 2 and Anti-Heroes by 1(basically doing a weaker but still bullshit Armor of Fafnir deal considering he's above Divine Spirits by a massive factor)

• Counter Hero (B Rank): Reduces the parameters of any hero encountered. At Rank B, it reduces all of the opponent’s parameters by two ranks. It’s weaker against anti-heroes, reducing their parameters by one rank.[1]

• Enlightenment of the Sacred Fig (EX Rank): Protection covering only one who has arrived at the truth of the world, the answer of humanity. A testament of “protecting the world”, called Anti-Purge Defense. Unconditionally reduces damage from physical attacks, conceptual attacks, inter-dimensional attacks by an amount equivalent to his own HP. Also shuts out mental interference 100%. If it’s Saver who has attained the EX rank, it should be possible to tranquility receive even the seven desires of man.[1] However, those with the Divinity Skill ranked at a high level can break through and defend against this Skill.[14]

In order to even hurt him, you have to explicitly do attacks that would virtually overkill HIM or otherwise... they do no damage whatsoever that INCLUDES conceptual attacks and inter-dimensional attacks. And Mental attacks are a no go.
Atleast if you have High Divinity, you can bypass it right? ...Right?

• Kalaripayattu (EX Rank): Ancient Indian martial arts. The ancestor of martial arts based on rational thinking that does not rely only on power and talent. Specialized more toward defense than offense.[1] Utilizing this martial art, Buddha was able to effortlessly repel Neros attacks and punch a hole through her before striking her down with Chakravartin[7]

Wrong.

Chakravartin

ChakravartinWP: Turner of the Wheel (転輪聖王(チャクラ・ヴァルティン), Tenrin Jōō(Chakura Varutin)?) is the "minor" Noble Phantasm of Buddha, necessary to use his "major" Noble Phantasm Amita Amitābha. It is also the Noble Phantasm of Ashoka. The term Chakravartin refers to the concept of the “ideal universal...

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Amita Amitābha

Amita AmitābhaWP: Transmigration into One (一に還る転生(アミタ・アミターバ), Ichi ni Kaeru Tensei(Amita Amitāba)?) is the ultimate “anti-individual” Noble Phantasm used by Buddha. It is his major Noble Phantasm initialized over the course of a battle by utilizing his minor Noble Phantasm, Chakravartin.[2] It...

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Very... VERY wrong(Of course, I just mentioned that even borrowing a small portion of Buddha's power had Sanzang kill a Top God so yeah... no).

 

[Paxton]

You lucky I was gonna get started on this myself in another topic but...
Noble Phantasms

Wu Xing Shan – Shijia Rulai Zhang (The Five Elements Mountain – Shakyamuni Tathagata’s Palm)
Rank: B
Classification: Anti-Army~Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~40
Maximum Number of Targets: 1~100 people


Why is this important? Why am I talking about Sanzang's Noble Phantasm?
She killed Amun Ra with it...
No seriously, a small portion of Buddha's power was able to kill the Top God of the Egyptian Pantheon as if he was a scrub(Ozymandias used the Holy Grail to summon the Demon God Amun and then became him but using the fact he is a Child of Ra, he christened it Amun Ra, gaining full control on top of basically making it become Amun Ra for a decent amount of time):


Buddha weakens the Hero's rank by 2 and Anti-Heroes by 1(basically doing a weaker but still bullshit Armor of Fafnir deal considering he's above Divine Spirits by a massive factor)


In order to even hurt him, you have to explicitly do attacks that would virtually overkill HIM or otherwise... they do no damage whatsoever that INCLUDES conceptual attacks and inter-dimensional attacks. And Mental attacks are a no go.
Atleast if you have High Divinity, you can bypass it right? ...Right?



Wrong.

Chakravartin

ChakravartinWP: Turner of the Wheel (転輪聖王(チャクラ・ヴァルティン), Tenrin Jōō(Chakura Varutin)?) is the "minor" Noble Phantasm of Buddha, necessary to use his "major" Noble Phantasm Amita Amitābha. It is also the Noble Phantasm of Ashoka. The term Chakravartin refers to the concept of the “ideal universal...

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Amita Amitābha

Amita AmitābhaWP: Transmigration into One (一に還る転生(アミタ・アミターバ), Ichi ni Kaeru Tensei(Amita Amitāba)?) is the ultimate “anti-individual” Noble Phantasm used by Buddha. It is his major Noble Phantasm initialized over the course of a battle by utilizing his minor Noble Phantasm, Chakravartin.[2] It...

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Very... VERY wrong(Of course, I just mentioned that even borrowing a small portion of Buddha's power had Sanzang kill a Top God so yeah... no).

So it's basically like God Hand on absolute fucking steroids essentially?

 

[Paxton]

And aren't Amun and Zeus literally the same entity?

So wouldn't Amun-Ra would be a composite of TWO Chief Gods?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

So it's basically like God Hand on absolute fucking steroids essentially?

That's Sanzang NP and yes, it KINDA is.
The problem is that obviously, that's a small portion of Buddha's power... when you will still have to face the real thing that's capable of so much more nonsense.
Including having a literal weapon's platform that makes even more Divine Spirit weapons look like absolute shit and the literal endpoint of Buddhism before Nirvana.

And aren't Amun and Zeus literally the same entity?

So wouldn't Amun-Ra would be a composite of TWO Chief Gods?

Nah, Nasu's Syncretism doesn't go that far... yet.

 

[Paxton]

That's Sanzang NP and yes, it KINDA is.
The problem is that obviously, that's a small portion of Buddha's power... when you will still have to face the real thing that's capable of so much more nonsense.
Including having a literal weapon's platform that makes even more Divine Spirit weapons look like absolute shit and the literal endpoint of Buddhism before Nirvana.



Nah, Nasu's Syncretism doesn't go that far... yet.

Weird, the wiki says that they are.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I'll check the wikia on where they say that later but if it is true, it's probably Syncretism and I didn't pay attention to that but it's less of "Defeated 2 Chief Gods" and it's more "Zeus changed his name to Amun" and that got helped shaped Amun over there.

 

[Type-Rey]

No seriously, a small portion of Buddha's power was able to kill the Top God of the Egyptian Pantheon as if he was a scrub(Ozymandias used the Holy Grail to summon the Demon God Amun and then became him but using the fact he is a Child of Ra, he christened it Amun Ra, gaining full control on top of basically making it become Amun Ra for a decent amount of time):

She didn't kill a Top Tier deity dude.

She just killed a Divine Spirit tier being that was formed by combining a Demon Pillar with Ozy's Divinity (which is not that great) stitched to it just to test if you would be able to not get turned into red mist once you reach the LK.

And aren't Amun and Zeus literally the same entity?

No.

Iskandar's mats mention that Zeus and Amun are peers and the thing with them being the same being is due to Iskandar's notion and boasting that he is a son of Zeus and a reincarnation of Amun which might have lead the Greek population at that time to believe that they are one and the same.

So as far as the Greeks are concerned , they might be considered the same being, even though they're only really talking about Zeus but for the Egyptians , there's no such similarity to be made.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

She didn't kill a Top Tier deity dude.

She just killed a Divine Spirit tier being that was formed by combining a Demon Pillar with Ozy's Divinity (which is not that great) stitched to it just to test if you would be able to not get turned into red mist once you reach the LK.

Alright fine...