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Undead Unluck feats/tierlist/general discussion

Chapter 231
Unjustice reminds us how OP it is and we get another gut punch showing the series was axed because I would be disappointed if this is what Tozuka intended for the rest of the Master Rules fights to go, considering how good Sick, Beast and Language fights were.

Artifact Remember made it so all of the Union now remember every single memory they have in their soul, of all 101 loops. Unjustice causes War to drop all his equipment, Time to deage Feng, beat Justice, prevent Change from changing herself so she can take a lethal attack, prevent Luck from dodging a Soul Unluck bullet.

Victor and Andy can stay separated for 10 minutes.
 
Chapter 232
Soul merges with Sun, shoots a barrage of lasers out of the sun itself. He tries to forcibly fuse Victor and Andy's souls back together, but Rip cuts between them preventing that from happening. Andy and Victor don't have to fuse back together again because of Unrepair.

Andy shoots a finger bullet at Sun causing a massive meteor shower to hit it. Soul/Sun tanks it, but the Unlimited Dead-Road attack from Andy & Victor causes Soul to spit out a bit of blood.
 
Soul's beams can drill through the Earth just as well as Sun's. And they go outside of Unmove's range. So the Union's only choice is to use the final sacred spirit treasure.

But the location of the final spirit treasure is... Fuuko's Heart. And Soul exclaims whoever touches/pulls out Fuuko's heart will be hit with the greatest unluck in all of history.

Now what this "greatest unluck" will be. I have a theory. I think it may be a Black Hole. Since it would be the most logical step up from the Supernova we got in the Language arc.
 
Chapter 234
Soul/Sun chargers a Soul Orb powered by the other orbs around it, it was bigger than his head before he got interrupted by the Supreme Buster powered by Unavoidable, Undecrease, and Unfeel.
Ichico can use Unsleep externally to force Fuuko awake after being under anesthesia.
Shen can use Untruth like Unjustice, forcing Move to warp them to Akira location. Akira uses the "Life is strange" artifact to revive Fuuko, like it was used to revive Rip last loop. The Heart is powered by Love, like how Rebellion was powered by Hate.
 
Next week is supposed to be the "super climax" with a color page and 25 pages, which means 90% chance it is ending.

Chapter 235
Luna & Sun were expelled from the far reaches of the cosmos to where they are currently. A completely empty void of nothingness with no rules with only a seed, what will be Earth. They were sent there because they lost and they're supposed to learn why and from what they lost from. Sun summons multiple clones of itself, like it did at the end of the last Ragnarok. Shen, Tell, Rip/Latla, and Victor hit the Sun clones causing them to slow down and flinch, so hell of a power up for them considering what had to be used last Ragnarok to do the same.

The Heart, using Love powered by the bonds Fuuko has created with the Union, is so powerful that it can one shot Sun's clones.
 
Background Character said:
Next week is supposed to be the "super climax" with a color page and 25 pages, which means 90% chance it is ending.

Chapter 235
Luna & Sun were expelled from the far reaches of the cosmos to where they are currently. A completely empty void of nothingness with no rules with only a seed, what will be Earth. They were sent there because they lost and they're supposed to learn why and from what they lost from. Sun summons multiple clones of itself, like it did at the end of the last Ragnarok. Shen, Tell, Rip/Latla, and Victor hit the Sun clones causing them to slow down and flinch, so hell of a power up for them considering what had to be used last Ragnarok to do the same.

The Heart, using Love powered by the bonds Fuuko has created with the Union, is so powerful that it can one shot Sun's clones.
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I wonder if we’ll only see the “greatest unluck in history” after Sun is already defeated? It’s kinda weird for the final boss to go down and THEN the final danger is the protagonist’s own powers backfiring more massively than they ever have before.
 
xenos5 said:
I wonder if we’ll only see the “greatest unluck in history” after Sun is already defeated? It’s kinda weird for the final boss to go down and THEN the final danger is the protagonist’s own powers backfiring more massively than they ever have before.
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Andy hasn't let go of Fuuko or the Heart yet and I forget when, but he somehow learned to release Unluck manually when he's charged up with it.
During Ragnarok 100, after he hugged Fuuko, he didn't use that Unluck until several minutes later when the Union ready up their Buster Cannon at Sun.
If Tozuka wants one more destructive feat, this last attack will have to be it. This final attack is Andy/Fuuko's soul bullet + "the greatest Unluck in history" + The Heart being powered by Andy/Fuuko's love. All I'm saying is that Sun/Soul is directly in front of the Sun, the star.
 
Cyre said:
Hey there! I'm new here. Where do people here place Undead Unluck in terms of stats?
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We had a lot of characters around City level and hypersonic, but that's mostly pre-Soul/Loop 100.
I think some Union members are possible FTL and country level after they unlocked Soul power.
There's some funky scaling the other Union members have by how they did against the Master Rules.
Andy's Souls techniques have been shown to be FTL, if not at least go at relativistic speeds. Andy showed he affected the sun/star twice, once with making a sunspot and another when he left the surface and made a flare. All the Master Rules blocked/tanked his soul bullets. Gina's Unchanged attacks did more damage to Change than Andy's 100 twisted vortex punch.

Also how do we scale Language's Supernova. First of all, how powerful is it? Is it as powerful as a real supernova? Planet level because she said it would reduce the planet to ash and that's what she imagined, and her powers are based on her imagination? Sun, Luna, Soul, and The Heart are definitely above it, it's just how much further down do we go to say who scales to it.

Chapter 236
Sun Soul uses soul chains to drag all the UMA around the world to itself and absorbs them for power, except for Clothy who just smacked that Soulchain away. It's funny that UMA Clothes is strong, he captured a buffed up Blood & Shadow, regenerated and survive everything Andy has endured.
 
With the Heart, I’d say Fuuko is Galaxy level at minimum. She was able to slice Sun in half, who absorbed all other Umas, including Galaxy.

I’d also say that Lan’s Supernova was legit, since she straight up called it the most powerful natural phenomena in the world, which would be large star at the very least.
 
IIRC there was a calc for UMA Galaxy's expansion which yielded multi-galaxy level and MFTL results. Considering he was created by Sun on a whim as penalty(via Apocalypse)this should put Sun around that level, at least.
 
Eztephan said:
Well if we use the solar mass of the Milky Way to measure the mass that Uma Galaxy launch is 1.5 trillion solar masses, and him moving that to MFTL+ speed(100000 light years).

So, KE=1/2ms^2 is the formula to know the kinetic energy of an object.

KE=1/2(2.98338000171688e+42kg)(9.46073e+20m/s)^2=1.3351432830136062e+84 joules or Multi Galaxy

Knowing that we have, Uma galaxy addition have the energy of multiples galaxy, but the problem is if i using that formula with objects moving faster than light is well..contradictory with theory's and scientific stuff.

To make a more accurate scientific calc, i gonna use the 99% of the speed of light(a very very low end knowing the size of the Milky Way and the short time frame of the scene).
KE=1/2(2.98338000171688e+42kg)(2.9679e+8m/s)^2=1.3139447565854408e+59 joules or Multi solar system.

In the end the correct answer will be Galaxy or something higher than that.

I hope this answer the question.
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This was the Galaxy calculation, it was just in the first page of this thread.
However nobody can really scale to this. When UMA are born their concept appears into the universe, and they have control over it. However that power has never really translated into exact DC or durability on to themselves.
Examples:
Winter was freezing in the planet when Summer was gone, but then got smashed in half by Burn.
Heat was able to be powered up to keep the Earth warm when the Sun was turned off even though he was beat by Feng's attack.
Gravity only showed a 10x Earth's gravity attack and then got killed by Andy's skin.

We also never see Sun completely destroyed the Galaxy at the end of a loop, and with what we saw last chapter with Phase End. When he absorbed all the UMA, you can just say he does that at the end of the loop to restart for the next one. He kills UMA Galaxy instead of destroying all the stars in the Galaxy itself.

You'll have much better luck getting Planet/Supernova level based off Languages attack and scaling from there.
 
Uma Galaxy would still scale since, in the anime, he visibly has to strain his body before exploding. And he lives this explosion. Apoky also straight up says that the Superior Rules are stronger than the Master Rules, with Uma Galaxy explicitly being mentioned as said Master Rule. It is clear that the superior rules are ranked off of strength, with Soul being the strongest. Even so, since Uma Galaxy could move with literally galaxies inside of him, and with Sun Soul being the strongest Uma of all, and Fuuko with the Heart one shotting him, she’d scale to that level of the power.
 
Background Character said:
This was the Galaxy calculation, it was just in the first page of this thread.
However nobody can really scale to this. When UMA are born their concept appears into the universe, and they have control over it. However that power has never really translated into exact DC or durability on to themselves.
Examples:
Winter was freezing in the planet when Summer was gone, but then got smashed in half by Burn.
Heat was able to be powered up to keep the Earth warm when the Sun was turned off even though he was beat by Feng's attack.
Gravity only showed a 10x Earth's gravity attack and then got killed by Andy's skin.

We also never see Sun completely destroyed the Galaxy at the end of a loop, and with what we saw last chapter with Phase End. When he absorbed all the UMA, you can just say he does that at the end of the loop to restart for the next one. He kills UMA Galaxy instead of destroying all the stars in the Galaxy itself.

You'll have much better luck getting Planet/Supernova level based off Languages attack and scaling from there.
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If Sun/Luna can create a being that can explode into a galaxy in almost an instant they definitely scale.
 
Mostly all the god/top tiers are above Galaxy by the fact that every rule and thing in the world where created by Sun and Moon when the universe was just a white void.


Also peak chapter, even with the problems is still one of the best last arcs that i read in a while alongside YozaFam from the most recent mangas of the jump.
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El Hermano said:
If Sun/Luna can create a being that can explode into a galaxy in almost an instant they definitely scale.
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Well yeah Sun & Luna scale above with the powers of creation because they created most of the concepts in the void they were sent to. They made living concepts/UMA, then made it so that the Laws can exist separate from the living UMA and then finally this chapter make those UMA fuse with the Laws. Their reality warping powers are Multi-Galaxy level, but I don't think there's enough connecting tissue to say Sun's body and the attack power he used during Final Ragnarok was Galaxy level.

The other guy said he believed The Heart and the Superior Rules were Galaxy level because they're stronger than UMA Galaxy. But that's going to be a hard sell to most people, even to me even though I do find the idea of Fuuko having a Galaxy level nuke in her chest fueled by the Power of Love funny as hell.
 
Background Character said:
Well yeah Sun & Luna scale above with the powers of creation because they created most of the concepts in the void they were sent to. They made living concepts/UMA, then made it so that the Laws can exist separate from the living UMA and then finally this chapter make those UMA fuse with the Laws. Their reality warping powers are Multi-Galaxy level, but I don't think there's enough connecting tissue to say Sun's body and the attack power he used during Final Ragnarok was Galaxy level.

The other guy said he believed The Heart and the Superior Rules were Galaxy level because they're stronger than UMA Galaxy. But that's going to be a hard sell to most people, even to me even though I do find the idea of Fuuko having a Galaxy level nuke in her chest fueled by the Power of Love funny as hell.
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I have a hard time thinking that Sun himself isn’t physically above Galaxy, since the Galaxy Uma survived the explosion that caused the Galaxy to be born.

Like Apoky straight up says that the Superior Rules are stronger than the Master Rules. And we see that the Superior Rules physicals are a step above other Umas. Not to mention the fact that Uma Galaxy, just by existing, didn’t automatically spawn the galaxy. He himself had to make it. Just like how Uma Heat can create heat beams, and Uma Spoil can make spoil beams.

The Heart scales to Uma Galaxy specifically because it one shot Sun, the strongest Uma, in his super form. The Sun makes Uma Galaxy in a short amount of time, and Uma Galaxy already has entire star systems housed within him.
 
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