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Grammaton

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I wouldn't use the term unfair, per se - it doesn't help to read me, and it's mostly just a flood of nonsense, so I don't really care to engage any more with it.

I’ll be frank, I’m conflicted because I empathise with your standpoint in a general sense, but in this instance, I don’t think what you’re being asked is necessarily unfair or disingenuous, which makes your refusal to engage with it a cause for concern
 

TAT

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Huh? what is bray wyatting?? What you mean, and me writing posts is scummy? I was questioning the dude because his logic and accusations makes no sense.


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Sooo ummm you basically suspect me the most because of the way I normally talk? I wasn't even using any words to 'sound intelligent' lol. This sounds like a personal problem.








Who pressured me? I was under pressure? when? This feels like some made up crap lol. Your entire argument is that I am scum because of the way I normally talk. If this ain't some desperate attempt for a mislynch then idk what is. You are validating such thing in your head because apparently there is another player who fakes the way he talks when he is scum? uhhh if that's how you guys do things here then good for you I guess?

From where I am standing here you are either scum who is desperate for a mislynch here or just a townie with bad take tbh. But I find your keen on wanting to lynch me over anyone else even tho the game is in it's early stages abit alarming. You didn't think to yourself, let me interact with the dude and get a feel for him. Maybe my take is wrong? nope instead you make no such effort to figure out my slot. Your points you made are all far stretch nonsense. 'Oh he is scum because the way he talks'. Do you even hear yourself? lol. Did you even read our back and forth? or you looking at things from such a surface/shallow level?

I don't mind that you scum read me, but those reasons are kek worthy at best and you clearly have no intentions on figuring out my slot. Not good look on you buddy. If this is some another attempt to save one of your mates then you already made your first mistake.

I'm inclined to agree tbh, Ace not been too hot so far despite seemingly putting the effort in

The fuck are you doing

not much, but he is voting people who's posts I haven't liked so there is that
 

Ratchet

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I’ll be frank, I’m conflicted because I empathise with your standpoint in a general sense, but in this instance, I don’t think what you’re being asked is necessarily unfair or disingenuous, which makes your refusal to engage with it a cause for concern
See, I feel like my progression on Psychic is pretty clear, and doesn't really need further elaboration.

>Vote her
>As I'm catching up, think better of it, as in previous games scum Psychic was too nervous to interact with the thread, which wasn't how she came across initially
>But also it's not a strong enough feeling to warrant a defence so compromise with her a decent backup lynch, having been burned by looking for reasons to town read her before in Flower's game I think I'm within reason on this

And that's it. As for "nonsense", I mean I can just pull up any one of Ekko's posts that are needlessly wordy trying to ascribe a negative agenda towards what is said, none of it is remotely well thought out. Or the whole part where he tries to present a progression as inherently contradictory, which is what he did at the start that resulting in me tuning him out.

I think at best he's a negative utility to the town, at worst scum, so am more than happy with that lynch day 1. Fine with Lethal going too and will vote there is required.
 

T-Pein™

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Day, Vote count #2 (Post #768)

Soulkiller: Ekko
Tweet: Aurelian > Psychic > Unvote
Flower: SK > Unvote > Lethal > Phenom
CP: Psychic
Phenom: Psychic
Ratchet: CP > Psychic > Ekko
TAT: Gad > Fuji
Psychic: Tweet
T-Pein: Tweet > Psychic
Dalton: T-Pein
Ekko: CP
Gram: Flower
RDK: Gad > Dalton
Aurelian: Psychic
BPD: Phenom
Lethal: BPD

Vote Count:

Psychic: 4
Ekko: 2
Phenom: 2
BPD: 1
CP: 1
Dalton: 1
Flower: 1
Tweet: 1
Fuji: 1

With 21 players remaining, it takes 11 to reach majority


:whathekong

YEP.
Just like I said
phases will go the full 48...
 

Ratchet

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Like, look, if I humour this:
this wud be okay in a vacuum, but considering ur other scum read is a policy vote who u r struggling to back up the reasoning for it from thread doesn't bode well for u.
None of this is supported anywhere. Why does it not bode well? Because he says so? My progression on Psychic has absolutely nothing to do with my treatment of him, conflating the two together to make a point is purely to mislead the players who are skimming over this excessively long post and think there is some substance there. Not really any other explanation for it as far as I can tell.

so r u playing scum or super lazy n bad townie. u can pick ur poison here
This is a loaded preposition, and a false dichotomy to boot. He hasn't begun to establish why these are the only two possibilities - for example I could be frustrated with him, or busy enough to want to try to be efficient, instead he sets the mark at either laziness or scum. Why? Who knows.
its like ur trying to lean into it rather than actually believing it. u shudnt have a reason to be like this towards me this game, from a genuine perspective that is.
This is just straight up nonsense - I have more reason than most players to be dismissive of Ekko, given our shared history. It's again loaded, insisting that my position can't possibly be genuine without establishing why that is (to be fair, he will have a hard time in general doing this because he can't possibly factor in external factors that might contribute to this, but then it begs the question why he is jumping to the idea that it's ingenuine instead of something more intangible).
i can think of multiple potential agendas here:

1. you want to appear confrontational to me, so i naturally go ahead and assume u r town. this town read is denied for obvious reasons being that nothing u brought up against me was followed upon by you or established in thread
2. you want to draw a reaction / nervousness from me to help u read my alignment. in that case u wud answer my questions instead of elongate the discussion, unless the elongation itself was part of the reaction test, which then would mean by now u will give ur conclusion regarding my slot. shoving all of this up to "policy" is not how i expect town ratchet to do it. all this tells me is ur read is stubborn and not influenced by what i say.
3. you want to lean towards ur meta of using me for content / being "frustrated" about me treating you unfairly / flooding thread.. etc.. which is denied because it comes off really forced from u rn. u r doing it a bit too soon to real. actually u want to force me to flood the thread or interact u more, knowing full well that ignoring or dismissing what i ask u only makes it worst on u
This is easily the worst portion of his posts. Listing out multiple thought processes that all start from the same premise (that being Ratchet=Scum) is at best laddering his argument - coming up with three different reasons scum Ratchet might want to do this means little when he hasn't first established that these are the only three scenarios possible, or that they're even the three most likely to be in play. The reason I say this is the worst part, however, and not just simply nonsense, is because it's also inherently manipulative. By writing them out like this, he gives the impression to people that he is giving more thought to analysing the situation than he has, because on an initial skim it comes across as hin having explored multiple angles to this and came to the conclusion that a scum one fits the best. In reality, it's all the same angle, just extrapolated three different ways.

So then we have the people piggy backing off of this.

Flower - to be honest, I don't trust Flower's integrity here when it comes to analysing this situation. I feel fairly confident in saying she is looking for ways to justify a scum read, without doing the hard work herself, and as such is more than happy to see something that looks impressive on a surface read and goes with it. I talk about integrity, because I absolutely believe she can do this as town, and in fact I lean that way more than scum Flower here, who would probably look to not get involved if Ekko and I are both town, and certainly wouldn't touch it if Ekko were scum.

Tweet - I think Tweet looks the worst off of it, because I've gotten the impression he has looked to enable this to continue on rather than actually give a clear opinion, and if I assume Ekko is town for a moment, Tweet looks especially bad because any input he has given isn't something he'd be too attached to if one of us flip. I had a bolit if a gut scum read on Tweet independently of this, so...

Alco - No real impression, can't think of anything he's done so far in the game, so null/scum. Probably unfair of me, but shrug.
 

Grammaton

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See, I feel like my progression on Psychic is pretty clear, and doesn't really need further elaboration.

>Vote her
>As I'm catching up, think better of it, as in previous games scum Psychic was too nervous to interact with the thread, which wasn't how she came across initially
>But also it's not a strong enough feeling to warrant a defence so compromise with her a decent backup lynch, having been burned by looking for reasons to town read her before in Flower's game I think I'm within reason on this

And that's it. As for "nonsense", I mean I can just pull up any one of Ekko's posts that are needlessly wordy trying to ascribe a negative agenda towards what is said, none of it is remotely well thought out. Or the whole part where he tries to present a progression as inherently contradictory, which is what he did at the start that resulting in me tuning him out.

I think at best he's a negative utility to the town, at worst scum, so am more than happy with that lynch day 1. Fine with Lethal going too and will vote there is required.

I’m going to take a look back at some point, but as I say, I have some sympathy for the general sentiment which makes this a difficult interaction to unpack
 

Ratchet

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Oh yeah, I recalled one issue I had with Tweet - him saying my handling of Ekko looked similar to how I treated him as an SK reeks of TMI to me. I obviously know I'm not scum, and he, if scum, would know I'm not Mafia at least, so using the SK angle would be a way for him to justify his read while not actually catching Mafia.

Moreover, it's pretty silly. What part reminds him of it, exactly? In that game, I was playing towards the town because my wincon required it, and more to the point, I was going out of my way to work with Ekko, which is the complete opposite of this (it's in large part what is informing my dismission of Ekko here, actually). I don't really see how anyone can believe I'm handling Ekko the same way in this game, as I did that one.
 

T-Pein™

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:hestonpls

Anytime people want to actually play as opposed to wagon me for ‘inactivity’ (what a spineless bullshit reason) then we can dance. Or you can finger your dickholes thinking you’ll achieve something.

18 pages for a proper catchup after a morning check-in. Colour me shocked that the bitch lizard throws a vote my way cos he has fuck all else.

damn you already got heat?

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Gaddamnit

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I think Ekko is raising a valid point tbh
I don't like this post for some reason. And it's not about the sentiment of it, this just feels odd timing
So because he's been fairly active on Discord we should believe he's town here?
Tis Mafia 101, you should know this
Give a man a chance to read 870 posts yeah?
Non...
Good candidate just for the inactiveness but he hard wants Psychic out.
Would unly sus if Physic flips town
Funny, but I didn't think you were too active either
 

Flower

No more tears left to cry...
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This is easily the worst portion of his posts. Listing out multiple thought processes that all start from the same premise (that being Ratchet=Scum) is at best laddering his argument - coming up with three different reasons scum Ratchet might want to do this means little when he hasn't first established that these are the only three scenarios possible, or that they're even the three most likely to be in play. The reason I say this is the worst part, however, and not just simply nonsense, is because it's also inherently manipulative. By writing them out like this, he gives the impression to people that he is giving more thought to analysing the situation than he has, because on an initial skim it comes across as hin having explored multiple angles to this and came to the conclusion that a scum one fits the best. In reality, it's all the same angle, just extrapolated three different ways.
Why can‘t it be Town Ekko genuinely trying to analyze different angles? You see, you accuse him of shading you and that he already came to the conclusion you‘re scum, but here you are doing the same thing. You‘re not trying to see it from a Town Ekko pov. Your posts feel like a glorified excuse not to interact with him in the game. I can see this from a Town you perspective as well given your history, but so far nothing warrants this kind of reaction since it‘s not even a heated argument yet. If you‘re Town, what are you even doing?
 
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