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OBD Convo #33: It's MY Time

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Xhominid The Apex

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Not only does this lad debunk the nonsense the people who made this trash are putting forth, he also told the story of the Kandake Amanireas, an actual Black Warrior Queen who fought the Romans and whose story sounds a lot cooler than Cleopatra's ever did.

Imagine having the gall to steal a statue of the Emperor, then when the Romans come down to demand you give it back...you ignore them for three days and put up such a fight that the Emperor himself had to give into YOUR demands. :awesome

Just goes to show that if they had any genuine interest in telling the history of Black Queens, they could have easily done so but of course they didn't do that, because why represent those people when you can race swap a Greek woman for political reasons? :maybe
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Hilariously, you end up with Hollywood Executives that are lazy as shit and writers that are even lazier on top of being terrible as fuck.
 
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"We still don't know what version of Cereza this even is."

Generally speaking, we can assume most, if not all versions of Cereza went through the events of Bayonetta Origins, given Lukaon's death and subsequent re-incarnation as Luke occurs in most of them. The full grown Lukaon that appears in 3, likely comes from a universe where he either won the battle against Cereza and sacrificed Cheshire (which gives an ending screen showing him in his adult form) or Cereza willingly allowed him to do so, hence his survival.

Specifically the Cereza being followed in this game is Cereza Origin. We know this because you can unlock the outfit she wore when she was pulled through time in Bayo 1 (which is the split-off point for her universe) which specifically references those events and because in the bonus chapter, Singularity refers to her as Arch Eve Origin.

"Lukaon's backstory and the Faery stuff doesn't add to Bayonetta 3."

I mean it explains who the fuck Lukaon even was for starters and gives more insight into the Faeries who hadn't been explored much up to that point. Also the reveal of Luka being Lukaon's reincarnation not only explains where he got his powers from but also why Cereza is so protective and attached to him from the jump, given she'd viewed Lukaon as a kindred spirit and developed a bit of a crush by the end of Origins.

While I still have issues with some of the big themes of the game not meshing with the series as a whole, Bayonetta Origins absolutely did a fair bit towards making Bayonetta 3's plot make a lot more sense and adds to the relationship between Cereza and Luka. I don't think it's entirely fair to say that it added nothing but depth to Cereza's character.
 
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"We still don't know what version of Cereza this even is."

Generally speaking, we can assume most, if not all versions of Cereza went through the events of Bayonetta Origins, given Lukaon's death and subsequent re-incarnation as Luke occurs in most of them. The full grown Lukaon that appears in 3, likely comes from a universe where he either won the battle against Cereza and sacrificed Cheshire (which gives an ending screen showing him in his adult form) or Cereza willingly allowed him to do so, hence his survival.

Specifically the Cereza being followed in this game is Cereza Origin. We know this because you can unlock the outfit she wore when she was pulled through time in Bayo 1 (which is the split-off point for her universe) which specifically references those events and because in the bonus chapter, Singularity refers to her as Arch Eve Origin.

"Lukaon's backstory and the Faery stuff doesn't add to Bayonetta 3."

I mean it explains who the fuck Lukaon even was for starters and gives more insight into the Faeries who hadn't been explored much up to that point. Also the reveal of Luka being Lukaon's reincarnation not only explains where he got his powers from but also why Cereza is so protective and attached to him from the jump, given she'd viewed Lukaon as a kindred spirit and developed a bit of a crush by the end of Origins.

While I still have issues with some of the big themes of the game not meshing with the series as a whole, Bayonetta Origins absolutely did a fair bit towards making Bayonetta 3's plot make a lot more sense and adds to the relationship between Cereza and Luka. I don't think it's entirely fair to say that it added nothing but depth to Cereza's character.
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There is another point which points out the Cereza we see in Origins is actually the Cereza we see in Bayo 1... and I don't mean Bayonetta, I mean the KID Cereza.
And that's her singing "Fly Me To The Moon" to Chesire at the end which she would only know if she's that Cereza who was plucked out of time.
 
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Xhominid The Apex said:
There is another point which points out the Cereza we see in Origins is actually the Cereza we see in Bayo 1... and I don't mean Bayonetta, I mean the KID Cereza.
And that's her singing "Fly Me To The Moon" to Chesire at the end which she would only know if she's that Cereza who was plucked out of time.
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Which would be Cereza Origin (Bayo 3 Cereza) as being pulled into the future is the moment the timeline split for that version.

That's also why Cereza Origin gets particularly pissed off when Luka's Darkness calls her "Cerezita" something he'd only ever called kid Cereza in Bayo 1.

Point being it really isn't hard to work out which version of the character we're following, it's pretty obvious. Though I stand by the idea that pretty much all versions of the character would have went through events similar to this in order for there to be Lukas in most universes.
 
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Honestly surprised by the take this Youtuber has. While I did like his GoW videos and other videos on how bad Mythology typically is depicted(Primarily Disney's Hercules), how he did Gods of Egypt rubbed me the wrong way in some respects(Which he hilariously clarifies in this video that it was meant to be a joke).

But yeah, he basically gave his honest opinions and even goes in on the last part of the video in terms of people trying to erase races just so "we can have our own" as if you can't like something done by another race as the bigoted reasoning that it is.
 
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