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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Paxton said:

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I'm going to have an aneurysm at this point :giogio
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I already showed @Masterblack06 that so I'll show you guys this:

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Metal Gear RAY (Unmanned Gear)

The modified by Desperado Metal Gear RAY was a new and improved model of the original RAY. It was encountered by Raiden during the 2018 World Marshal Incident. Desperado's modified RAY was an Unmanned Gear (UG), meaning it was controlled by an internal or external AI instead of a human operator...
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The new RAY was an UG (Unmanned Gear), meaning it was controlled by an internal or external AI instead of a human operator. Improvements in technology led to RAY's original synthetic muscle actuators being replaced with carbon nanotube (CNT) muscle fibers, saving significant internal mass;
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Carbon nanotube - Wikipedia

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Carbon nanotubes are the strongest and stiffest materials yet discovered in terms of tensile strength and elastic modulus. This strength results from the covalent sp2 bonds formed between the individual carbon atoms. In 2000, a multiwalled carbon nanotube was tested to have a tensile strength of 63 gigapascals (9,100,000 psi).[3] (For illustration, this translates into the ability to endure tension of a weight equivalent to 6,422 kilograms-force (62,980 N; 14,160 lbf) on a cable with cross-section of 1 square millimetre (0.0016 sq in)). Further studies, such as one conducted in 2008, revealed that individual CNT shells have strengths of up to ≈100 gigapascals (15,000,000 psi), which is in agreement with quantum/atomistic models.[51] Because carbon nanotubes have a low density for a solid of 1.3 to 1.4 g/cm3,[52] its specific strength of up to 48,000 kN·m·kg−1 is the best of known materials, compared to high-carbon steel's 154 kN·m·kg−1.
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Even with an High Frequency Blade assistance, there's no way in fuck you would get anything less but stupid strength feats for Raiden in his pre-Revengeance suit to cut through that... and that's JUST for this Metal Gear RAY upgrade... which Sam can ALSO cut just as easily!
 
OtherGalaxy said:
doesnt raiden pretty casually tear apart metal gears




which are a lot larger and more durable than a building
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You just missed what I put up LMFAO!

Carbon nanotubes are the strongest and stiffest materials yet discovered in terms of tensile strength and elastic modulus. This strength results from the covalent sp2 bonds formed between the individual carbon atoms. In 2000, a multiwalled carbon nanotube was tested to have a tensile strength of 63 gigapascals (9,100,000 psi).[3] (For illustration, this translates into the ability to endure tension of a weight equivalent to 6,422 kilograms-force (62,980 N; 14,160 lbf) on a cable with cross-section of 1 square millimetre (0.0016 sq in)). Further studies, such as one conducted in 2008, revealed that individual CNT shells have strengths of up to ≈100 gigapascals (15,000,000 psi), which is in agreement with quantum/atomistic models.[51] Because carbon nanotubes have a low density for a solid of 1.3 to 1.4 g/cm3,[52] its specific strength of up to 48,000 kN·m·kg−1 is the best of known materials, compared to high-carbon steel's 154 kN·m·kg−1.

Remember, this is before he got into his Revengeance Suit and not even counting Ripper Mode and Sam stacks to this just as easily.
To put it into context, getting sliced by Raiden or Sam is the equivalent of getting slammed by a pointblank Ballastics Missile explosion... for every single instant it cuts through your body :risigif :heston
 
Paxton said:
He does, but they're saying he doesn't use that strength against people like Sam, Armstrong, etc.

Which is.. stroke-inducing if you think about it for even a second.
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Armstrong whooped his fucking ass and you have to tear off Excelsus legs right before that. Why would he hold back right after fodderizing it


this is some classic SB on display
 
OtherGalaxy said:
plus Sam’s sword weakens molecular bonds right? So people a little above his punching grade still might be a bit fucked
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Yep but of course, you still have Armstrong and Co still being relatively intact even against Sam's Blade and can withstand it to a very decent degree but otherwise, their strength is still their strength of what I put up earlier as it still matters even with High Frequency Blades existing.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
Yep but of course, you still have Armstrong and Co still being relatively intact even against Sam's Blade and can withstand it to a very decent degree but otherwise, their strength is still their strength of what I put up earlier as it still matters even with High Frequency Blades existing.
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oh yeah I mean Armstrong was clearly stronger than regular Raiden as I remember, I don’t get why they would think everyone but Raiden is magically weak
 
OtherGalaxy said:
oh yeah I mean Armstrong was clearly stronger than regular Raiden as I remember, I don’t get why they would think everyone but Raiden is magically weak
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Because as I have said before, for all of their talk of "Using Hard Science and Physics for their assumptions and other shit", at the end of the day they are no different than Reddit.

They will bring in real life whenever they want someone to lose but they will never do any real research and bitch at you if you actually dare to do it. Not to mention they are most definitely speaking out of their ass and no one will bring up the very obvious proof that Raiden is Building Tier at bare minimum:



It's not even hard to see that Excelsus is literally the biggest Metal Gear recorded and Raiden basically tossed that shit like it was luggage.
 
Proto234 said:
How does that help against a Primarch?

I mean afaik none in MGS can match a Primarch
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thats not what I’m saying
they’re saying Armstrong and Sam etc are sub building level
and that Raiden holds back and never uses building level strength against them, which is dumb as all hell
 
King of war said:
Quote from Nursery Rhyme @Xhominid The Apex. :heston
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I rather not read what Nursery Rhyme said unless he specifically reply to me, and even then speaking from experience its bunches of nonsese... But lemme see.

Nursery Rhyme said:
The main issue is Shigaraki is very much liable to just literally turn the Grail War off by turning Snowfield into a crater.
Since, if he does that before Enkidu and Gilgamesh even fight, he basically sidesteps the entire True Half of the Grail War (at least if I recall the order of events right, in that the fight happens before Richard is summoned, and after he's summoned the entire 'True' lineup is then summoned.)
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If he does that Enkidu just kill the guy.

Nursery Rhyme said:
And with Decay being used, the entire master roster besides Tine and Enkidu's master will die, since they either won't be able to react or their servant simply doesn't have the capabilities to save them.
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?... What? The Servants are there too and just kill him if he so much as affect their Master. They don't need to reach their Servant, their Servant can reaches them. And again Enkidu will just kill the guy if he tries this.


Nursery Rhyme said:
Pale Rider's master will surely die,
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Huh, this one is not a stretch in a way...How does Pale Rider interract with Shiragaki's power I wonder.

Nursery Rhyme said:
The folks who would summon the true servants also likely die, specifically Alcides' master gets obliterated before he can even summon and edge-ify Herc, stuff like that all just turn to dust along with the entire city.
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Before???!!... This is during the war, we are to assume everyone have their Servants already what is this. Oh the thread OP put the scenario this way.

Nursery Rhyme said:
the entire police force will be destroyed without any response and I doubt Dumas will be able to get out as well, etc.
Pale Rider's master will surely die,
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??? what prove is this ? Dumas and his ability to make even mundane things into NP, I find it hard to believe he won't have something to survive Shiragaki.

I read this much and I dont want to read anymore.

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Lmao scrolling down and got this.
 
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OtherGalaxy said:
plus Sam’s sword weakens molecular bonds right? So people a little above his punching grade still might be a bit fucked
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Both the blades do

but sam's is way higher quality considering it sliced through armstrong even when used by an unaugmented sam

When it was combined with Raiden's enhanced strength it managed to punch through the nanomachines once they'd hardened.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
oh yeah I mean Armstrong was clearly stronger than regular Raiden as I remember, I don’t get why they would think everyone but Raiden is magically weak
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Not at all. Based on the cutscenes, Raiden could regularly match Armstrong in a grappling contest very well showing that in strength they were fairly equal. The problem was Armstrong’s nanomachines son. They made Armstrong too tough to harm while Raiden would eventually be worn down from enough damage and wearing himself out trying to harm him.
 
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