To Aru vs Kamen Rider

[Paxton]

Aleister never loses a life to any Magic God though.

 

[Churronzon]

And then he gets killed by Corozaon and gets split up into his billions of possibilities so again, the True Magic Gods couldn't defeat one man who was only as strong as one of them... but another one was able to critically injure and kill that possibility?

I clarified Aleister only did that with Blasting Rod. If the enemy can counter that spell or Aleister doesn't use it for w/e reason, then he is as weak as a regular human p much. And we didn't see Blasting Rod vs Coronzon

 

[Paxton]

I clarified Aleister only did that with Blasting Rod. If the enemy can counter that spell or Aleister doesn't use it for w/e reason, then he is as weak as a regular human p much. And we didn't see Blasting Rod vs Coronzon

It's a passive spell dude.

We had this talk before: he always uses Blasting Rod and Spiritual Tripping.

And you know he has other ways to buff himself regardless.

 

[Churronzon]

EDIT: Wait, hold up, I thought the True Magic Gods couldn't do shit in the Hidden Phase without destroying it yet Aliester Crowley has a fucking fight with all of them in there...

I don't consider either True Magic Gods or Aleister as being able to destroy the Hidden Phase. The Hidden Phase can withstand the True MGs power; it just kinda loses its function if MGs leave.
Idk what other people have been telling you but I'm my own person

 

[Paxton]

The Hidden World is meant to handle their power: it's never stated they can destroy it passively.

You're getting that part confused with them entering the universe without nerfing themselves.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I clarified Aleister only did that with Blasting Rod. If the enemy can counter that spell or Aleister doesn't use it for w/e reason, then he is as weak as a regular human p much. And we didn't see Blasting Rod vs Coronzon

I don't consider either True Magic Gods or Aleister as being able to destroy the Hidden Phase. It just kinda loses its function if MGs leave

I know that Corozaon basically ganked Aliester Crowley, that wasn't really the point I made there, just the fact that like what 5-6 True Magic Gods could only burn half of Crowley's body despite them all going at full blast while he's a normal human without it(Which is fair but he's still outnumbered) but gets ganked by Corozaon otherwise.

And I have seen someone post that the Hidden Phase would be destroyed if the True Magic Gods so much as moved so it's crazy to see all of them + Aliester Crowley boosted to that level do so and not destroy it...
It's like people are lying.

 

[Paxton]

I know that Corozaon basically ganked Aliester Crowley, that wasn't really the point I made there, just the fact that like what 5-6 True Magic Gods could only burn half of Crowley's body despite them all going at full blast while he's a normal human without it(Which is fair but he's still outnumbered) but gets ganked by Corozaon otherwise.

And I have seen someone post that the Hidden Phase would be destroyed if the True Magic Gods so much as moved so it's crazy to see all of them + Aliester Crowley boosted to that level do so and not destroy it...
It's like people are lying.

Where?

 

[Paxton]

Also the simple answer is Magic Gods suck and Coronzon's stronger/more capable than them

 

[Churronzon]

I know that Corozaon basically ganked Aliester Crowley, that wasn't really the point I made there, just the fact that like what 5-6 True Magic Gods could only burn half of Crowley's body despite them all going at full blast while he's a normal human without it(Which is fair but he's still outnumbered) but gets ganked by Corozaon otherwise.

He's Him I guess and Blasting Rod really is that powerful to withstand such an effect. I don't know what to tell you other than that's what happened in canon.

And I have seen someone post that the Hidden Phase would be destroyed if the True Magic Gods so much as moved so it's crazy to see all of them + Aliester Crowley boosted to that level do so and not destroy it...

Nah they explicitly don't destroy the Hidden Phase if they move. They move around in there a lot. That's where they resided in all of the time at full power. If they left the Hidden World (without nerfing themselves) however, then the world Kamijou lives in would be destroyed.

 

[Astaro]

I don't consider either True Magic Gods or Aleister as being able to destroy the Hidden Phase. It just kinda loses its function if MGs leave

Except he very much did

“What a pain,” said the High Priest while massaging his shoulders.

Niang-Niang pouted her lips as she continued.

“Honestly, why did Aleister have to thoughtlessly destroy our hidden world? Maybe we really should’ve killed him.”

It can contain them sure, but not if even one of them actively tried to destroy it

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

He's Him I guess and Blasting Rod really is that powerful to withstand such an effect. I don't know what to tell you other than that's what happened in canon.

Nah they explicitly don't destroy the Hidden Phase if they move. They move around in there a lot. That's where they resided in most of the time at full power. If they left the Hidden World however, then the world Kamijou lives in would be destroyed.

Hey man, I ain't expecting the writer to be perfect, just the fact that it feels odd that it happened. Urobuchi wrote Kiritsugu creating 60 bullets from 2 of his ribs for his Origin Rounds when as fast as Nasuverse characters are, he would legit be better off with it being made into knives as it later happened as a Servant. It's Rule of Cool and the author wanting something to happen no matter what.

Well that's odd, I fully heard that being stated in this thread by someone...
So it seems like someone is lying to me...

And again, it's hard to take it seriously when you then get that doppelganger motherfucker being able to do so with no ill side effects and I don't believe in the "They can't hold themselves back" shit because that feels both ridiculous and dumb, especially with Corozaon.

 

[Blade]

summary of this thread: bunch of fic lol atheists/pagans, duke it out about which series is more negative tldr tier levels

 

[Paxton]

Hey man, I ain't expecting the writer to be perfect, just the fact that it feels odd that it happened. Urobuchi wrote Kiritsugu creating 60 bullets from 2 of his ribs for his Origin Rounds when as fast as Nasuverse characters are, he would legit be better off with it being made into knives as it later happened as a Servant. It's Rule of Cool and the author wanting something to happen no matter what.

Well that's odd, I fully heard that being stated in this thread by someone...
So it seems like someone is lying to me...

And again, it's hard to take it seriously when you then get that doppelganger motherfucker being able to do so with no ill side effects and I don't believe in the "They can't hold themselves back" shit because that feels both ridiculous and dumb, especially with Corozaon.

Well no one actually said that so uh..



Yeah but WHY exactly is that such an issue?

 

[Churronzon]

And again, it's hard to take it seriously when you then get that doppelganger motherfucker being able to do so with no ill side effects and

I don't know who doppelganger is referring to

I don't believe in the "They can't hold themselves back" shit because that feels both ridiculous and dumb, especially with Corozaon.

I don't believe in it either.
Unsong God has the same statement and I don't consider him weak for being unable to interact with the world without contracting his power into finitude via the Sephiroth.

Malachi 3 describes God as “like a refiner’s fire”, but only because the ancient Hebrews didn’t know the word “H-bomb”. God is infinite energy, uncontrollable power, likely to scorch and burn anything He touches. If God even touched the Universe for a second with His little finger, it would shatter like a dropped egg. So how does God create the universe? How does He sustain it?

Ha’Ari proposes a system that my 21st century mind can’t help but compare to electrical transformers. If electricity went straight from a nuclear plant to the light bulb in your house, your light bulb would blow up. Instead, the electricity goes from the plant to a huge transformer that can handle it and make it a little less powerful, then from there to a smaller transformer that can handle that level of power and make it a little less powerful in turn, and so on to your lightbulb. God’s power, then, passed through the ten sephirot as “transformers” that converted it to a voltage capable of affecting the world.

“I have determined the basic structure of the world. The way God becomes finite. The machinery that transmutes divinity into finitude is based on a series of ten sapphires. They are not exactly located within space-time, but you can think of them as sort of coextensive with the outside of the crystal sphere surrounding the world.”

[...]

“This is the Tree of Life. It converts pure structure into material reality through a series of four levels. There is a bottleneck in the last one which connects the sapphire called Yesod to the one called Malkuth. By filtering this bottleneck, I can control the flow of the divine light of higher spheres from entering the physical world.”

 

[Paxton]

He's referring to JVA.

 

[Paxton]

I don't know who doppelganger is referring to

I don't believe in it either.
Unsong God has the same statement and I don't consider him weak for being unable to interact with the world without contracting his power into finitude via the Sephiroth.

did someone say transformers

@OtherGalaxy

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I don't know who doppelganger is referring to

It was someone who was impersonating one of the strongest people in the universe.

I don't believe in it either.
Unsong God has the same statement and I don't consider him weak for being unable to interact with the world without contracting his power into finitude via the Sephiroth.

That's pretty much what I'm saying. Like I'm not denying their strength at all, what I am denying is that alot of it comes off as hot air and people take that too literally.
You can infinitely infinite divide yourselves but it's still an infinity and that would still blow up the Universe regardless and if that somehow stops them from doing so because of more of them just ignoring the laws of the Universe, then why do that at all? That would mean they would have control over their strength.

It's just obvious they was ill thought out which is why most of them got dumpstered and only a few remain.

 

[Churronzon]

Oh yeah for sure. I ignore everything about the infinity divided by infinity lol. I completely discard it, but I don't discard the fact that their fullpower destroys Kamijou's world. That's the only reason they voluntarily nerfed themselves.

 

[Paxton]

It was someone who was impersonating one of the strongest people in the universe.



That's pretty much what I'm saying. Like I'm not denying their strength at all, what I am denying is that alot of it comes off as hot air and people take that too literally.
You can infinitely infinite divide yourselves but it's still an infinity and that would still blow up the Universe regardless and if that somehow stops them from doing so because of more of them just ignoring the laws of the Universe, then why do that at all? That would mean they would have control over their strength.

It's just obvious they was ill thought out which is why most of them got dumpstered and only a few remain.

Yes, Johann Valentin Andreae was impersonating the legend of Christian Rosenkreutz which he himself created.

He got jealous of his creation and wanted to tarnish its reputation after he got revived by the Bridge Builders Cabal, essentially.
Hence why he acts like an omnicidal maniac.

And Christian Rosenkreutz doesn't actually "exist" per se.

 

[Churronzon]

It was someone who was impersonating one of the strongest people in the universe.

He doesn't have feats of overpowering Aleister's Blasting Rod's stats so idk how he's relevant.