Lol even when it's his pet characters he will just say they are lying because it contradicts his argument with no proof.
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You literally did this entire goddamned time, you fucking twit. Even when Cryso still proved you wrong with actual context, you still try and pretend "Well it's just her word" when the others are window dressing that barely fucking matters nor take away from Othinus' word.
Secondly, you still have no proof whatsoever on Marsh's translation which makes me wonder at this point if you are genuinely stonewalling which at this point, I'm advocating for a ban at this rate.
Thirdly, yes, you DID try and dispute Last Bible being allowed by literally stating The Great Will featured on the Game Gear port is an imposter based on fucking nothing while then stating that somehow The Great Will causes strife and conflict when that was never stated in any SMT game nor by it's developers.
The irony is that the Nasuverse may be headed in that direction in a different sense thanks to Kiara Kisshouin's experience in the Tsukihime Remake peering into the different planes of existence at her full ascended form...
Still fits alot better than the nonsense Paxton is spewing out.
He says it in Apocalypse too, I'm just having trouble finding the part in the fight where he says this.
Very mature.
YHVH and Kagatsuchi both call themselves extensions of the Great Will (they both look similar) and they both perpetuate endless cycles of death and rebirth.
It's almost like there's a pattern there or something.
All I see is more confirmation that YHVH is an extension of the Great Will, to the point he can be remade over and over by it.
More than your posts have earned.
I never said otherwise though?
My claim was that the Great Will in Last Bible can't be the same Great Will that YHVH talks about, because the one in Last Bible also talks about coming back eventually due to human belief/cognition, when there's no implication that the Great Will that YHVH and Kagatsuchi serve was ever actually defeated permanently.
There's no direct evidence they're the same being, as the Great Will (that YHVH and Kagatsuchi serve) is actively more antagonistic than the Axiom/Great Reason that Stephen talks about in Apocalypse.
How are any of those contradicting? A belief in a higher goes beyond just one God like YHVH, The Great Will coming back has nothing to contradict him being able to Remake him over and over.
There is no evidence they are two different beings, Will and Reason mean the same thing here.
They're completely different in terms of behavior.
The Great Will's emissaries (such as YHVH and Kagatsuchi) are actively antagonistic while the Axiom that Stephen refers to is more like a passive force/entity/origin of reality as a whole that creates Messiahs to go against the former.
The Great Will could be the same as the Great Reason but a different aspect of it, or an entirely separate being with equal influence over SMT as a whole.
There's no clear answer.
He is literally an extension of The Great Will, he is not The Great Will itself. This is something fans knew about for decades, try again.
Again as I stated before and stated before this, Yaldabaoth, Kagutsuchi, God Of Light are all extensions of YHVH's influence which in turn is an extension of The Great Will.
This is well known with the franchise:
Shin Megami Tensei — YHVH - TV Tropes
YHVHWarning: As a major recurring figure throughout the series, there will be spoilers for multiple games. You have been warned. The most recurring entity among agents of the Great Will, YHVH is the Abrahamic God. However, he is far from the …
tvtropes.org We also know that something happened that basically fucked up YHVH and ONLY Him despite that with the fabric of reality warping Him into that.
So yeah, maybe you are just wrong?
That means jackshit. The Great Will's extensions being different do not mean there is a different version called reason, it only means that extensions of the Great Will can go against it's intended purpose. It has nothing to do with there being two distinct versions.
It is a clear answer, you're just overcomplicating it to try to win an argument rather than just end it and admit you fucked up about knowing something about SMT.
Reason and Will is literally the same thing in SMT, dingus.
There is no different set of beings, you are literally deciding that based on nothing.
There is The Great Will which only has one other name in that Stephen calls The Axiom, there is no other different name for the being.
This is more obvious when he admitted he played Nocturne and then get something extremely simple about Nocturne wrong.
My brother in Christ we are literally in agreement.He is literally an extension of The Great Will, he is not The Great Will itself. This is something fans knew about for decades, try again.
Again as I stated before and stated before this, Yaldabaoth, Kagutsuchi, God Of Light are all extensions of YHVH's influence which in turn is an extension of The Great Will.
This is well known with the franchise:
Shin Megami Tensei — YHVH - TV Tropes
YHVHWarning: As a major recurring figure throughout the series, there will be spoilers for multiple games. You have been warned. The most recurring entity among agents of the Great Will, YHVH is the Abrahamic God. However, he is far from the …
We also know that something happened that basically fucked up YHVH and ONLY Him despite that with the fabric of reality warping Him into that.
So yeah, maybe you are just wrong?
"Do you mean the other way around? Because I never said the Great Will is an extension of YHVH, I said the exact opposite."
NF asked me where I got YHVH being an avatar of the Great Will from.... even though we seem to be in agreement?
What are we even arguing about if we're in agreement on this part?
Not the first time he gets shit wrong about SMT, like trying to imply Persona matches the higher tiers of it, and certainly not going to be the last if this is his understanding of it now.
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