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Emil said:
because shes right, the interaction isnt as clearing as i thought..neither is sabers interaction with hime

how strong is ur town read of saber holding btw..i dont see him adding much to the game at this stage

about same for tempest
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hmmm does it affect your read that she was the one who made the argument that affected your read?

My town read on Saber is very strong. He is hard spewed town by Hime tbh.

Tempest, lower. I am town reading him due to how Hime treated him similarly to how she treated me and Poyser. I am looking forward to read what his conclusions are with reading Hime
 
Illwei said:
I just don't think that's quite it

Like it's very demotivating as a wolf to be the planned lynch in a maj only game and to have been up at l-2 as early as she was prob meant that she didn't want to spew anything too bad on who her teammates were yesterday
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she faught it initially then stopped once couple of players consolidated on gad as the second target after her

gonna take poysers last breath thoughts and think both gad and boq r town here

what's ur thoughts on tempest and saber rn?
 
Boquise said:
hmmm does it affect your read that she was the one who made the argument that affected your read?
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not rly. shes doing a move called the melkor

Boquise said:
My town read on Saber is very strong. He is hard spewed town by Hime tbh.

Tempest, lower. I am town reading him due to how Hime treated him similarly to how she treated me and Poyser. I am looking forward to read what his conclusions are with reading Hime
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at what post # does the last paragraph start? im not finished with my reread yet..about halfway there

why is saber hard spewed for you, and a followup question - nobody has contested my assumption that hime isnt bussing in this game. i could very well be wrong and himes insistence on saber being scum might be tmi on him. poyser had a post mentioning this hime/saber possibility once.
 
i.e. hime saw scum saber get alot of town reads from couple of active players and decided to get some cred by pushing it, knowing well she wont topple it over reloaded. i dont think its effecient for hime to commit to such a push on a townie being town read by poyser and ultra this directly tbh. it wud be weird
 
Boquise said:
So Hime...
Joins, eggs on, and jokes about the GAD sod1 wagon







Has GAD later as top town, to then suddenly shade him to the ground:






Town reads Watson strongly



Town reads Ultra (and Ral lightly)






Shades Cubey










Shades Saber



Protects OLU from Watson



Shades Illwei









First quoted post there is an agreement with Tempest.

Shades Reloaded





also dissuades Watson from town reading Reloaded




Agrees with Illwei tho on Jaguar needing heat



Shades Sigismund




RIP

Will leave Hime's read list and extension of the reads for another post
I have some conclusions that I will elaborate on soon, but here is a tldr

I think Cubey is just straight out spewed town due to how Hime focused much of her energy on shading him (and Reloaded).
The shade on Saber also makes Saber look good. But not as much as Cubey.
Hime's complete uninterest in reading Ral makes me think Ral is spewed town too

Emil subbed in for Jaguar right? I think agreeing with Illwei that Jaguar should be pushed is... slightly townie for that slot? On the other hand... distancing is always there and I can see a wolf wanting to bus their inactive teammates. This doesnt matter tho because Emil is town.

The shade on Sigismund happens in D2 iirc which makes it more complicated to read. It depends on if Hime thought there was a chance to move the yeet from her to Sigismund, in that case, probably Sigismund town. Otherwise, distancing.

Interactions I find weird are...
The Watson one. Like first Hime dissuades Watson from scum reading OLU. Then dissuades Watson from town reading Reloaded. I guess this could be scum having a lil' theatre/distancing. But it also raises my concerns more about OLU.

The Illwei interaction made me at first read it the same as I read Cubey's, but then Hime kinda began town reading Illwei. So idk there.

The GAD one is just wild. From top town to scum. ??? GTH townie for GAD???
I feel like Hime scum sided a lot. Her bottom three are all likely town imo. More to that later.

Oh and both Tempest and I are just shrug read as nulls. Poyser's ignored too a lot. I think Hime did not know what to do with our slots. Makes me town read Tempest more tbh
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Boquise said:
I bet my right boot that all three peeps here are town tbh


Kinda weird seeing OLU here considering Hime defending him against Watson. Reasoning is that they have "fallen off".
I still would like to put a FOS on OLU for that. It feels off since Hime never really returns to this particular thing again, so it isnt like she is trying to work up some cred if OLU'd flip town. It also makes the team Hime/Watson/OLU unlikely.

Watson and Hime felt like sorta, leading the thread? But since every single person in this game seems to town read Watson except me, I guess I will have to relent tbh. Like. To be fair it isnt good distancing to talk like that to your teammate on D1. And both feel like good players. Yeah alright.

So my POE is done for.



I am a bit worried about this regarding Illwei's alignment. Hime puts a lot of details (compared to other reads) on why Illwei should be town read, after shading her for a bit and then agreeing with her take on Jaguar/Sigismund. Illwei has voted Sigismund a lot, so I could see it as a wolf boosting a town to push for another town. Either way, this sort of approach makes Hime/Sigismund a very unlikely team. Because you rarely send a town on an already struggling teammate (or a wolf to another wolf for that matter), since that would give Hime zero cred in an eventual Sigismund flip. It does wash her hands off of Sigismund's blood however... and puts the blame on Illwei.

Was kinda weirded out that Hime wrote to Illwei "you who pride yourself in finding scum" or something akin to that, because I dont remember Illwei writing that (tho i couldve missed it), so at first I thought that maybe that was something Illwei and Hime couldve spoken about in wolf chat. But if Illwei has talked about it prior inside this thread, plus given that boosting her for her Sigismund push... I think that can keep Illwei in my town list.

The GAD approach is super weird. From:

To that he is the slimiest scum ever.
And like, at first I thought big words like that should unpair GAD with Hime, because why talk like that to your teammate? At D1? Wolves shouldnt wanna bus on D1 unless a wolf is tanking.

BUT THEN I REMEMBERED. How me and good ol' Ultra (may he rest in the pet sematary) kept pushing each other and using aggressive language... when it didnt matter. It made like everyone unpair us. But we did that when the lynch was already decided, or when it was early into the day. These pushes on GAD happens when the lynch on Reloaded is already decided.

So it COULD be a low-risk distancing game.


Conclusions:
Cubey, Saber - always town. These are slots btw that scum really need to get lynched. So like, hold on to them.
Ral, Sigismund - very likely town
Illwei - town
Watson - probably town
OLU, GAD - looks the worst out of this, so maybe scum tbh.
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I thought I had went into why Saber is town more extensively here but apparently not tbh

I basically think that the way Hime pushes Saber is the same as how she pushes Reloaded.

I believe that this reasoning:
"idk how to describe it exactly but saber makes me think of how i used to play as scum when i was newer
asking questions here and there that dont really help to progress the gamestate but makes u look a bit more involved" which Hime has to say about Saber, is diffuse and very easy to make on a town member. Whereas in a w/w push you'd like to be more specific.

Regarding bussing/distancing.
Certainly a possibility but I dont think any self-respecting wolf want to do that on D1. Especially not a D1 when there are so many inactive slots. I think what Hime is doing with her scum list is to set up several misyeets to come. It is safer to place a teammate in the tier above if you wanna distance.

Btw I also hard town read Sigismund. I dont think thats a bus/distancing either (tho I have spammed that a few times now). So I dont really need to see him flip, even tho he is a potato


Regarding Tempest:
Here she equalises me and him

hime said:
boq and tempest i largely have no thoughts at all on
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And what I say with treating us like Poyser it is more like
hime said:
honestly wasnt sure whether to put poyser at null or slight town, nothing really makes me vibe "TOWN" the same way it does for watson and ultra
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that she struggles to pin down a read on him tbh
 
Sigismund said:
He says killing the top posters is advantageous to the new top poster, which it isn't.
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Ya kill the top posters then the game becomes less fun and active lol.

At this point, I don't really have much to contribute to other than stating that I don't have a bad gut feeling about @Dr. Watson. I don't believe she's scum and I'm basing it on her current behavior in this game. I can probably collect some posts to build some reassurance because I am going off my intuition given what I've already subconsciously observed from skimming this thread to keep up with y'all.
 
Ral said:
Ya kill the top posters then the game becomes less fun and active lol.

At this point, I don't really have much to contribute to other than stating that I don't have a bad gut feeling about @Dr. Watson. I don't believe she's scum and I'm basing it on her current behavior in this game. I can probably collect some posts to build some reassurance because I am going off my intuition given what I've already subconsciously observed from skimming this thread to keep up with y'all.
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what would you scum read me off of? are there comparisons you're making?
 
Sigismund said:
Taking out top posters
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Sigismund said:
I mean he would be aiming for top posters. He says killing the top posters is advantageous to the new top poster, which it isn't. I'm pretty sure he knows that so he probably wouldn't be telling the truth about that being why he wants to vote her.

Not the exact same motivations, but basically still doing just the same thing
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Sigismund said:
Looking back he also had a push onto Poyser before he flipped scum as well. He also voted for Gad and Jaug in earlier days. Not push them nearly as hard as he did Poyser. Then his newest push onto Watson is back to lower effort.

I'd guess probably Boq if AM is scum
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Sigismund said:
Because his interactions with other suspected people I thought Relevant to who he would likely be teamed up with.
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This whole approach and proactiveness (for him) is town from him fwiw
Or he's just giving the bare minimum which welp rip

for a Sig game I'm content
 
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