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Cloud Strife, Zack Fair, and Sephiroth enter ToAru

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Because I didn’t get to actually have any fun before you all fucked around and some of you found out :maybe

No, seriously though, let’s narrow the focus to a trio that I’m quite positive doesn’t clear

They’re dropped into Academy City, who is the strongest character they will encounter and find themselves able to defeat either collectively or 1v1? Neither side has knowledge about the other, just a vague awareness both will start shit on sight.

Alternative scenario, they stumble upon the unlucky jackass and need to help him on his misadventures. What’s the most over the top scenario their presence would be any help for to keep Touma or whatever the fuck out of a hospital bed? Assume Sephiroth is his pre-Nibelheim self if the idea of him giving any aid is too batshit to consider.
 
There are a grand total of 2 or 3 Toaru fans on this site and one of them just recently got banned

I feel like there won’t be much discussion since no one here can ever agree how strong Toaru is (on account they know nothing about it)
 
There are a grand total of 2 or 3 Toaru fans on this site and one of them just recently got banned

I feel like there won’t be much discussion since no one here can ever agree how strong Toaru is (on account they know nothing about it)
@Paxton @Cryso Agori right?

2 is enough for a thread anyway. Not like Astaro is permed either, right? If this doesn’t work, I can always make another thread
 
Refresh my memory, I didn't play the Remakes.

Sephiroth is now universal right? How many times the speed of light is he?
 
Refresh my memory, I didn't play the Remakes.

Sephiroth is now universal right? How many times the speed of light is he?
Remake/Rebirth has Cloud fighting Gilgamesh and being considered a worthy rival akin to Bartz at least circa that time Exdeath tried murdering the party with about 1/8th the power of the Void (better known as Galuf's badass last stand).

Also shaping up to confirm FFVII's planet is like Nasu Earth (it was implicit with the Life Stream being like the Counter Force, now its more so explicit) with branching timeline parallel universes so we'll be watching that going forward too I guess (IIRC, Zack's world merged with Cloud's briefly which allowed them to fight Sephiroth in tandem, Sephiroth severed the... merger? With a sword beam slash).

Otherwise, even ignoring Remake, Gilgamesh, and things like Dissidia?

You still have scaling off KotR destroying their dimension the size of various stars/nebulae/galaxies on top of what already existed with Supernova.

Speed? KotR can travel from the edge of their dimension the size of various stars/nebulae/galaxies to the center in a couple of seconds. So... trillions of C?
 
Remake/Rebirth has Cloud fighting Gilgamesh and being considered a worthy rival akin to Bartz at least circa that time Exdeath tried murdering the party with about 1/8th the power of the Void (better known as Galuf's badass last stand).

Also shaping up to confirm FFVII's planet is like Nasu Earth (it was implicit with the Life Stream being like the Counter Force, now its more so explicit) with branching timeline parallel universes so we'll be watching that going forward too I guess (IIRC, Zack's world merged with Cloud's briefly which allowed them to fight Sephiroth in tandem, Sephiroth severed the... merger? With a sword beam slash).

Otherwise, even ignoring Remake, Gilgamesh, and things like Dissidia?

You still have scaling off KotR destroying their dimension the size of various stars/nebulae/galaxies on top of what already existed with Supernova.

Speed? KotR can travel from the edge of their dimension the size of various stars/nebulae/galaxies to the center in a couple of seconds. So... trillions of C?
Well, let's look at the tiers.

They would be above the Archangels of ToAru or at least in their physical versions, it is possible that there will be an update about them soon but at the moment they only have feats of moving the stars in the sky.

For speed they must defeat the double nerfed Magic Gods, in that mode they only say that they could destroy the universe only once and they would not have the power to recreate it and many characters were seen doing speed blitzes them.

They could be in the league of Coronzon in physical body, Crowley and Accelerator Platinum Wings.

Accelerator shook the galaxy to remove Coronzon's soul.

Although it is like the most emblematic feat, I think the best is the fact that with his field he stopped Coronzon's attack which is comparable to Othinus' spear that destroyed all the phases that she created (an exact number is not known because after the 10k phase they stopped counting but it has been pointed out that they were millions or hundreds of millions).

(Comparison with the lance)
This was the ultimate attack that rivaled a Magic God’s lance and had utterly destroyed a certain boy despite the presence of Imagine Breaker.

The tree was not just something to ascend. It could also be descended. The power falling from a point in heaven gained color and other attributes as it descended the various pathways and it finally transformed into one of any number of substances in this world.

What would happen if a magic user intentionally brought that down like a bolt of lightning?

The pure energy would rush toward the target even as it rapidly transformed into physical matter.
(Accelerator reflect that attack)
“My right hand contains Nuit of Resurrection and my left hand contains Hadit of Vengeance. Combined, they form the Circle of Ra-Hoor-Khuit, which…”

“Yo.”

The special attack released by Great Demon Coronzon clashed head-on with the Level 5 who could manipulate any and all vectors.

“Yo!”

A mass of invisible power scattered in every direction.

I'm not saying that he destroys universes with his blows, but I do say that he can work with that level of energy in his reflection.

There's also some discussion about how amazing it is that Accelerator summoned a metaphysical tree (Clonoth), which is a counterpart to the Sephiroth and Qliphoth that are apparently so large that they go through all the phases to hell and heaven respectively.

Although Accelerator's field works with passive calculations, he had a couple of good active calculation feats, although they occurred early in the series.




Regarding speed, we have to say that Accelerator's attack shook the galaxy in seconds.

Othinus can control galaxies with her mind, Crowley reacted to Magic Gods stronger than her and Othinus's arrow traveled across the universe in seconds. It is the best of what is calculable.

(Othinus' crossbow calc)

There are Big Bang bombs that attack in plank time but it is difficult to say if anyone scale from that attack. It also seems that between each phase that are basically universes and dimensions, there is quite a distance between each one, but it is not clear how much.
 
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Well, let's look at the tiers.

They would be above the Archangels of ToAru or at least in their physical versions, it is possible that there will be an update about them soon but at the moment they only have feats of moving the stars in the sky.

For speed they must defeat the double nerfed Magic Gods, in that mode they only say that they could destroy the universe only once and they would not have the power to recreate it and many characters were seen doing speed blitzes them.


They could be in the league of Coronzon in physical body, Crowley and Accelerator Platinum Wings.

Accelerator shook the galaxy to remove Coronzon's soul.

Although it is like the most emblematic feat, I think the best is the fact that with his field he stopped Coronzon's attack which is comparable to Othinus' spear that destroyed all the phases that she created (an exact number is not known because after the 10k phase they stopped counting but it has been pointed out that they were millions or hundreds of millions).

(Comparison with the lance)

(Accelerator reflect that attack)


I'm not saying that he destroys universes with his blows, but I do say that he can work with that level of energy in his reflection.

There's also some discussion about how amazing it is that Accelerator summoned a metaphysical tree (Clonoth), which is a counterpart to the Sephiroth and Qliphoth that are apparently so large that they go through all the phases to hell and heaven respectively.




Regarding speed, we have to say that Accelerator's attack shook the galaxy in seconds.

Othinus can control galaxies with her mind, Crowley reacted to Magic Gods stronger than her and Othinus's arrow traveled across the universe in seconds. It is the best of what is calculable.

(Othinus' crossbow calc)

There are Big Bang bombs that attack in plank time but it is difficult to say if anyone scale from that attack. It also seems that between each phase that are basically universes and dimensions, there is quite a distance between each one, but it is not clear how much.
No? Mathers summoned the four archangels and a single one of them (or rather, their avatar, to be specific) could distort the universe with their presence.

When do any of the nerfed MGs get speed blitzed? All of them can react to Flaming;Sword or scale to or above Othinus.

The quote was solely referring to their inability to use phase manipulation: they're still just as strong as Othinus regardless.
 
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No? Mathers summoned the four archangels and a single one of them could distort the universe with their presence.

When do any of the nerfed MGs get speed blitzed? All of them can react to Flaming;Sword or scale to or above Othinus.

The quote was referring to their inability to use phase manipulation: they're still just as strong as Othinus regardless.
I remember that with their first nerf they were still stronger than Othinus, but that with the second they still stronger after losing their manipulation of reality I find it doubtful, do you have a quote of that statement?
 
I remember that with their first nerf they were still stronger than Othinus, but that with the second they still stronger after losing their manipulation of reality I find it doubtful, do you have a quote of that statement?
If I recall correctly, after Zombie's nerf they still had infinite power, they just "tricked the world" with Zombie's spell into letting them exist in it despite that.

And after his nerf was applied, Aleister still can't kill them without the A.A.A., despite having Spiritual Tripping and Blasting Rod to exponentially amplify his stats and attacks that start at the level of a Big Bang.
How this makes sense despite them not having infinite power anymore, I have no clue.


I don't recall there being an exact quote saying they're more powerful than Othinus (could be wrong) but it's a simple enough inference given statements about themselves and regarding how powerful Coronzon's avatar is.
 
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Current Toaru dies to this:

bait used to be believable

Isn't Alice still alive? Even the normal Transcendents could survive this (GT6's afterword says they can survive Othinus destroying the world)
 
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Whatever is them at their strongest. No real point of using them as a reference point if its not them at their peak
With the Remake Buffs on top of that(As ChaosTheory stated, The Lifestream is now effectively Nasuverse Earth tier with god knows how many timelines in it that houses a good chunk of space at that)? Oh DEFINITELY.
Gilgamesh is the most concrete buff right now. 1/8th the Void isn't anything to scoff at (1 crystal per WoL, the full crystal that is peer to the Void was split into 2, then sub-divided into a total of 8, ergo 1/8th). The state of VII's cosmology will only be important when its clarified how much of the Lifestream Sephiroth consumed before attaining his Safer form that approached Godhood.
Don't even try to include Opera Omnia or it becomes a thrashing.
The MMO are some bullshit, apparently, ergo Dissidia becomes some bullshit.
Well, let's look at the tiers.

They would be above the Archangels of ToAru or at least in their physical versions, it is possible that there will be an update about them soon but at the moment they only have feats of moving the stars in the sky.

For speed they must defeat the double nerfed Magic Gods, in that mode they only say that they could destroy the universe only once and they would not have the power to recreate it and many characters were seen doing speed blitzes them.

They could be in the league of Coronzon in physical body, Crowley and Accelerator Platinum Wings.

Accelerator shook the galaxy to remove Coronzon's soul.

Although it is like the most emblematic feat, I think the best is the fact that with his field he stopped Coronzon's attack which is comparable to Othinus' spear that destroyed all the phases that she created (an exact number is not known because after the 10k phase they stopped counting but it has been pointed out that they were millions or hundreds of millions).

(Comparison with the lance)

(Accelerator reflect that attack)


I'm not saying that he destroys universes with his blows, but I do say that he can work with that level of energy in his reflection.

There's also some discussion about how amazing it is that Accelerator summoned a metaphysical tree (Clonoth), which is a counterpart to the Sephiroth and Qliphoth that are apparently so large that they go through all the phases to hell and heaven respectively.

Although Accelerator's field works with passive calculations, he had a couple of good active calculation feats, although they occurred early in the series.




Regarding speed, we have to say that Accelerator's attack shook the galaxy in seconds.

Othinus can control galaxies with her mind, Crowley reacted to Magic Gods stronger than her and Othinus's arrow traveled across the universe in seconds. It is the best of what is calculable.

(Othinus' crossbow calc)

There are Big Bang bombs that attack in plank time but it is difficult to say if anyone scale from that attack. It also seems that between each phase that are basically universes and dimensions, there is quite a distance between each one, but it is not clear how much.
So, nerfed Magic Gods, Archangels, Accelerator, and Othinus are being discussed for at least "entertaining fights?" I really don't know the cast dude :maybe

Also the alternative scenario, worst chunk of plot they can keep Touma out of a hospital bed during? Because I'm vaguely aware he ends up in one constantly
 
Speed? KotR can travel from the edge of their dimension the size of various stars/nebulae/galaxies to the center in a couple of seconds. So... trillions of C?
Actually?

Treating the galaxies as being the size of the Milky Way with an angular size of 0.02 degrees (the limit of human visual acuity to perceive size of objects or gaps between at a distance)?

That galaxy would be about 286,480,000 light years away. Treating that as the edge of the dimension, where the Knights are coming from because thank you ultimania description? Over 2 seconds or so, that’s about 4.52 * 10^15 C
 
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