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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever
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This is another Xcano downplay, right?
These captains replace Ulq against ichigo in HM
Which ones can he beat and which others beat him Also state the level of difficulty eitherway Captains restricted to pre Quincy arc performance This is the ichigo at the start of the ulq fight
www.fanverse.org Because HM Byakuya and SS Byakuya are not the same fucking thing.
We're talking about an Ichigo that got pretty much blitzed by R1 Ulquiorra whereas Byakuya was fucking trolling released Yammy, who is full THREE ranks higher than Ulquiorra.
No version of Ichigo shy of H2 or FKT is beating HM Byakuya in a fight.
No he BARELY beat ONE of them before they all went through training to prepare for the war with Aizen.
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?
Yes he was "nerfed" despite having been directly stated to have gotten stronger MULTIPLE times throughout the arc and by MULTIPLE different characters including Orihime, Ulquiorra and Aizen.
HM Mayuri and FKT Soi Fon are NOT beating this version of Ichigo, he has blatantly better feats than them.
Because she lacks basically any feats worth a damn in any arc but SS.
Yes because of course Ichigo can't just, you know, DODGE it and promptly cut her head off while her speed is gimped.
Why should I assume it would hit him when the Bankai itself doesn't actually have any speed feats to prove it would tag him?
Aside from better feats in pretty much every department EXCEPT for the raw power of a Bankai that doesn't have the feats to tag him.
Two words, Getsuga Tensho.
Like seriously Ichigo's not not the brightest tool in the shed but he's not a complete fucking RETARD. He's not gonna see this thing spewing obvious poison gas and just rush in to it. There's nothing stopping him from just sitting back and spamming Getsugas and HM Mayuri doesn't have any answer to him doing this.
Despite the fact you're agreeing with the take of him simply not USING Ikka Senjika, meaning you agree he had this MUCH stronger version of the same attack at the time.
Zommari was dealing with a much stronger version of Byakuya, Ichigo literally got surrounded by SBK (which effectively is all Goukei is, just attacking with all petals at once) and promptly batted them all aside easily.
The myth of HM Ichigo somehow being nerfed compared to his SS counterpart, despite multiple statements confirming the opposite and having his Masked state on top of his Bankai is one of the dumbest bad takes one can have for Bleach.
How strong is Rey supposed to be in Disney canon?
Like whats the established "canon" placement surrounding her at her peak (non boosted)? I know shes an absolute ant compared to literally anything and anyone in the EU, there are like no name Jedi with better feats than anything in Disney canon Im well versed there. But I do not keep up with ST...
www.fanverse.org Lmao, Rey is at worst a quite low entry lvl Mary Sue, and if that would be actually based on ridiculous power several EU characters(especially Grandmaster Luke for example) would be far worse Mary Sues. People really need to start to understand that Mary Sue doesn't mean overpowered character let alone female owerpowered character, Batman is in fact one of the worst Mary Sues in popular official fiction, but far more because of shit like this here:
, than because of any Batgod stories.
A Mary Sue is a character who the plot bends around, who is unrealistically competent and often don't really has any big challenges(Silver Age Superman for example would be still a pretty blatant Mary Sue with a big emphasis on that in many stories, if you reduce the power lvl from sneezes Solar Systems away and more to can throw cars and topple a building if you change nothing else about the stories), has no true weaknesses or more often straight up alibi weaknesses(see Leon from Pokemon and his poor sense of direction for example) that feel nigh irrelevant, who can talk no jutsu characters with their sheer existence and who often comes out of nowhere but all of a sudden super important for some reason/has a questionable + unconvincing or unfitting origin in general, you could technically even create a Rey with more power than Grandmaster Luke and Abeloth combined who is not a Mary Sue at all(you would need to be a pretty good writer to actually pull that of though), cause even a totally overpowered character in fact don't needs to be a Mary Sue.
Love how he accurately describes what a Mary Sue is, with Rey absolutely meeting EVERY requirement for it that he laid out, while insisting she's NOT a Mary Sue.
Then of course you get all the whataboutisms like Lucas Grandmaster Luke (who by the way has A LOT more justification for being that strong than Rey does and actually struggles a lot more) and Leon from Pokemon who he seems to have a weird hate boner for and pretends he's a Gary Stu when the guy lost in BOTH MEDIUMS, games and anime.
The only example that has ANY weight is Batman at his absolute worst but NONE of these make Rey any less of a massive Mary Sue.
No one minds "overpowered" female characters when they're actually well written and not Mary Sues. Cereza/Bayonetta is LITERALLY meant to be a stronger, female version of Dante and yet she still ended up with a massive fanbase of her own because she's still a good character in her own right (and doesn't just blatantly copy Dante). Rey isn't hated because she's a woman like you're trying to imply, it's because her writing is TRASH.
White's rank if he became an Espada...
The white here is the one that took over Ichigo in Ulquiorra battle. So, basically white at that VL power level. Where will he rank irrespective of the aspects of death? I think he will beat Barragan for 2nd rank but also I can't come up with how he will counter the hax. But Starrk is 1st...
www.fanverse.org Pressured the guy who fucking finger-flicked Aizen through a building, but would somehow be a fraccion?
Nah White shits on the Espada, full stop, not just the Ichigo version.
grillmaster
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https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/master-megatron-vs-worldbreaker-hulk.1211534/#post-108436214
no way tfwanker supreme is getting an attitude wtf
same guy who thinks Galvatron bragging about his power means he scales above True Form Primus
grillmaster
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Galvatron is known for being trustworthy, always
it's a Presence-tier Trigon level "argument"
Literally an entire page of people arguing what we have known from Dragonball for years(That there is no trick question of why Z-Fighters don't destroy Planets when they are well past Frieza's level of power, let alone Vegeta's and that it's both Ki Control and simple ass author intent for there to be a reason why every single characters' attacks don't basically just shave the planets they are fighting on to absolute zilch, even bringing in that OPM has the same issue) vs. People who keep on arguing how it makes no sense that they aren't destroying the Planet with their attacks, that they have to hit the core of the Planet to do so and otherwise, we can't just ignore them as outlandish.
Again, it's weird as shit that Sheldon keeps trying to make the K-T Extinction Event ORT's cap rather than the floor because again there are many reasons why in comparison to PHH where ORT's crash landing was nowhere near as savage, did so much damage the Malla got the Dinosaurs to safety in an underground cavern and reinforced Pangaea in the process.
A) ORT didn't bother to protect itself at all because it knew it would regenerate later.
B) ORT's fall basically fucked up the Planet's surface beyond repair even to the current day(Which did not happen with the K-T Extinction Event for obvious reasons) which would mean it's impact was even more devastating than the K-T Event by magnitudes.
Easiest reasons in the world to bring up... people only begin to bring up B and not to it's fullest potential.
Because ORT withstood shit that would make the K-T Event look like a firecracker, that's PRECISELY the problem here...
Like it's long ridiculous to pretend that Servants of all kinds is weak as shit because of the same retarded principles that don't even work for most shonen have been stuck onto it but it begins to seriously make no sense when ORT's weakest parts was smashed to shit by thousands of Gugulanna's legs by a charged up Ereshkigal Alter... and it ultimately didn't and wouldn't have mattered anyway. That it could lose an organ from the MEoDP and not only regen it, but make it stronger against the very damn thing that killed the organ. That the characters got buffed up by Ereshkigal Alter's Underworld buff which previously allowed them to actually hurt Tiamat to be able to chip at ORT's outer shell... suddenly means it's CAP has to be the K-T Meteor... despite Quetzalcoatl's NP BEING THE K-T METEOR and Kukulkan while alive can do that level of power effortlessly... and it didn't work.
"See? I'm being fair to the Nasuverse, no one is capable of generating 100 Teratons of power... just ignore U-Olga Marie, the Beasts, Lostbelt Zeus and the Servants capable of rivaling them which is explicitly stated that plenty DO".
Let's ignore Quetzalcoatl can handle putting the equivalent of a Star inside of her and become the K-T Event, Ozymandias Dendra Light Bulb being able to generate heat on the level of a solar flare, Rhongomyniad being able to overpower Animus Animusphere, Durandal being able to block a Planetary laser... TWICE and many, many more things like a weapon on par with Rhongomyniad being blocked by Heracles despite suffering a few of it's demerits because willpower.
He does not "burrow" down to the bottom layer. Mictlan was created by Malla, and it is hollow by default. ORT would only need to penetrate the "cap" and then it's a straight fall through empty air all the way to the bottom.
Ah yeah, The Underworld's crust must not be all that thick despite the fact it absolutely would considering the surface of the Planet is literally fucked all over with lava, endless smoke and no goddamned sun due to all of that smoke...
Seriously, this is extremely stupid considering the fact that again, Mictlan does not act like the equivalent of a small ass tube but more of an Space Colony Sector.
This is literally the anti-thesis of everything that is ever shown about Kukulcan, ORT's heart and ORT...
Kukulcan was literally beckoned by ORT to become whole again and had to fight off it's influence. ORT went after her because while it COULD regenerate a new heart, it's more machine-like nature prioritized getting it's heart because as it's just more efficient. And of ORT still had a link with Kukulcan to "regenerate faster", then it wouldn't have died and needed the Throne of Heroes to come back and just reformed AROUND HER.
Sheldon literally cannot fathom that the reason ORT is even active is due to it's own body and being allowing it to still be alive without a heart and using 2 Substitutes(The Tree of Emptiness and U-Olga's Heart) and even then would have woke up eventually as the Malla forced it to sleep for millions of years.
...That is literally false as shit...
Nothing has ever shown that ORT "needs power" to regenerate, it's actually the opposite in that without it's main source of the power it has within itself(i.e. It's Heart), it would ultimately power down for awhile before immediately waking the fuck back up and just creating the new organ and start over. That's the entire reason the Malla had to force ORT to sleep despite Camazotz taking away it's heart and the Malla grabbing it as otherwise ORT would have just regened and it and Camazotz would have fought for all of eternity. Tezcatlipoca literally states that ORT "would wake up eventually" regardless of his and Daybit's plan, all they are doing is expediting the process.
I like how Sheldon is acting hard because he got ONE thing right and that was taken from Siriel and then act like Nasu fans was the one doing the "headcanon" when dude was going all in with the extreme lying about ORT's capabilities and it being "Sub-Planet" for the better part of TWO THREADS.
The absolute cringe.
The creature shown it doesn't have the same concept of death known to humans, knows it's regen capabilities and as seen in PHH can do safe more controlled landings than it did in LB7... decides to not do a safe, controlled landing and basically render's Earth's surface completely uninhabitable on a scale that's beyond the K-T's effects on PHH(PHH did have the Malla/Divine Firmanents help during that but it most likely was still not on that same scale since... you know, everything else still happened)... that's the floor, not the cap.
"ORT didn't destroy Earth with it's collision thus means it's Sub-Earth" "Completely ignore that ORT's mission is to kill off Humanity and go fuck on back to the Oort Cloud"
Yeah, wonder why ORT didn't destroy Earth and why Daybit's entire Planet was focused on making it destroy CHALDEAS...
Again, all of this isn't even stated, it's just given a small once-over by the people in the thread who also played LB7:
Which then Sheldon completely contradicts pages of his own argument and bitching to say this in response:
HAHAHAHAHA!! So Sheldon literally contradicts his own fucking argument because Nasuverse Earth is exactly like Real Life Planet Earth... except he literally just goes with what U-Olga stated which means that Nasuverse Earth is not like Real Life Earth and required it's own resources and outside energy to help deal with that fallout.
Again, it's insane people take this dude seriously because "He reads FGO" but like everyone else in SB who ever states that, it's ultimately a mass contradiction from everything they say because they either remove or force in context that was never there to fit their agendas and go into knots when people call it out.
grillmaster
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having enough control to literally cut an entire planet in half is wall level
Not versus related but
Spidey is the only correct one here, what the hell???
Spidey is the only correct one here, what the hell???
Pure delusionade cola being drunk in vast quantities here with Luffy.
I like Luffy as much as the next guy but in no way has he surpassed Goku or Pikachu as even a potential face for anime.