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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

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Mr.OMG said:
IB had level 6 with Misaki, only because she had a constant source of energy. Touma would touch her, but she would immediately recover. Yes, and level 6 Misaka is quite strong. Touma had to summon 8 dragons to win, and even one angel dragon could devour black holes capable of destroying the entire solar system.
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Yeah no... no...
No.
Last time we figured on that, she was at Island level, no more or less. And secondly, I'm virtually sure the Dragons get stronger with each one lost, they don't explicitly are all at maximum strength from the word go, that's kinda their main thing.

Mr.OMG said:
And IB has no problem with basic Accelerator, it was Touma who had a problem with it. And anyway, IB is in its incomplete state, I wonder if IB works at least 50% of its power. Only thanks to the fact that Touma is a combat genius (it was talked about in 1 OT), Touma was able to master IB at a very high level in a few months, Touma is actually very strong, but because he thinks he is a loser and bad person he often says that he will lose to an ordinary mage, although it is not true.
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He DOES lose to ordinary people, quite alot actually. He legit got his ass kicked by a normal group of Navy SEALS/Green Beret. The dude consistently ends up at the hospital due to the injuries he receive consistently during fights.
So yeah, I don't buy him suddenly being this super strong man from nothing and IB somehow gets stronger based on the people he fights. Especially when that keeps popping up.
 
Xhominid The Fool said:
Yes and all 3 was in Base.
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No! He literally fights Black Winged Accel in WW3.


Xhominid The Fool said:
Something is powered or brought back by magic" Then why in the hell does he have problems with Misaka lvl 6?! And Izzard? They are still Espers at the end of the day. And if we go by that logic, Touma shouldn't matter against most series either but apparently he still does so where does it stop and end?
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Misaka was being constantly supplied with power.


Xhominid The Fool said:
Yes and you said that was with difficulty and absurd circumstances which is why I explicitly don't believe them because people in SB said so.
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The only absurd cirmcumstance in the Othinus fight was that, Othinus was powerful. Sure it was Touma that punched Gugnir and he states it’s due to fighting Othinus for so long but that doesn’t actually effect Imagine Breaker.

You are literally ignoring a statement stating that Touma and Imagine Breaker become more powerful the more supernatural the opponent is.
The reason why he has trouble with normal people, because they aren’t wielding magic. The reason why he had trouble with Misaka, and Innocentius, maybe it’s because they weren’t supernatural enough or something. The reason why he doesn’t destroy souls or the earth, well I already posted it, the earth and souls exist in the Pure World, it’s only when there changed they are negated.

I have no problem with you saying that IB is inconsistent, it very much is. But those inconsistencies are at least somewhat explained, even if badly. What I don’t like is that you seem to be ignoring things.



Xhominid The Fool said:
He DOES lose to ordinary people, quite alot actually. He legit got his ass kicked by a normal group of Navy SEALS/Green Beret. The dude consistently ends up at the hospital due to the injuries he receive consistently during fights.
So yeah, I don't buy him suddenly being this super strong man from nothing and IB somehow gets stronger based on the people he fights. Especially when that keeps popping up.
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You just completely ignored the ‘supernatural’ part of the sentence.
 
Xhominid The Fool said:
Yeah no... no...
No.
Last time we figured on that, she was at Island level, no more or less. And secondly, I'm virtually sure the Dragons get stronger with each one lost, they don't explicitly are all at maximum strength from the word go, that's kinda their main thing.
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Well that makes sense, it fits Aiwass' words with the fact that the creatures inside the IB are getting stronger all the time. Then did the dragons really get that strong in a few days/weeks? Although one dragon had a feat when it ate an Invisible Thing that was able to fend off an attack that could destroy a planet.
He DOES lose to ordinary people, quite alot actually. He legit got his ass kicked by a normal group of Navy SEALS/Green Beret. The dude consistently ends up at the hospital due to the injuries he receive consistently during fights.

So yeah, I don't buy him suddenly being this super strong man from nothing and IB somehow gets stronger based on the people he fights. Especially when that keeps popping up.
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You mean NT 10 when they were attacked by American soldiers? But they attacked Touma from behind, and they were ordinary people, so IB did not reinforce Touma. Or Touma was able to defeat a trained terrorist who had a knife. Touma was able to defeat Hamazura, and Tsuchimikado himself is a martial arts genius who studied multiple martial arts from his childhood, it was mentioned in the NT, just because Tsuchimikado was a genius he was chosen as a spy, and then Touma was able to defeat Tsuchimikado in close combat, although he was injured, but Touma himself said that in spite of being injured Tsuchimikado was faster and stronger than him. Well every mage is superhuman even the weakest, if I remember correctly, because mages have more life energy than ordinary people. The same Sherry Cromwell, Touma sent her flying 5 meters, but she did not even lose consciousness from this blow.
 
Another Example

Touma gets the Rubber Band Treatment
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Masterblack06 said:
Touma loses to anyone who can avoid IB and just beat his ass Supernatural or Not
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In fact, it's easier to defeat Touma if you're a normal person. If you attack Touma with supernatural attacks, his precognition helps him. His most impressive feat is his reaction to the Coronzon sword, which appeared on top of the Sephiroth Tree, then descended through the worlds, and finally descended to the Physical Universe. In short, if the attack is supernatural, then Touma can react to an attack that is outside the universe, and attacks from all sides won't help either, because Touma has learned to avoid attacks from all sides, and also using very strong attacks that IB can't dispel in a second won't do anything either, Touma has learned to control such attacks, literally. It's easier to use lethal gases or a sniper rifle.
 
Masterblack06 said:
for Example

Touma would get neg-diffed by Toph
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If Toph is physically stronger than him sure.
Masterblack06 said:
Another Example

Touma gets the Rubber Band Treatment
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No, going by OLF’s standards Ajimu, the strongest person he defeated is only around star level, not universal. And again, Touma’s been able to react and block ftl attacks. Lihiko flicks that rubber band and Touma catches it.

Edit: Also because Lihiko himself is supernatural and he literally amps the things he uses as weapons with puns.
 
Mr.OMG said:
Touma has learned to avoid attacks from all sides, and also using very strong attacks that IB can't dispel in a second won't do anything either, Touma has learned to control such attacks, literally.
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This too. During the fight with Othinus he managed to redirect her planetary level arrows with imagine breaker, also when he was attack by all sides with water wings if I remember correctly he was still able to block them all by redirecting one of them.
 
Thegoldenboy2188 said:
If Toph is physically stronger than him sure.

No, going by OLF’s standards Ajimu, the strongest person he defeated is only around star level, not universal. And again, Touma’s been able to react and block ftl attacks. Lihiko flicks that rubber band and Touma catches it.

Edit: Also because Lihiko himself is supernatural and he literally amps the things he uses as weapons with puns.
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No, Ihiko doesnt Amp the things he uses as weapons with puns, he's just so strong that he can use anything as a weapon. The man is strong enough to use the Air as a weapon. Ihiko flicks the rubber band and touma get lopped in half because if someone with All Fiction couldn't stop Ihiko then IB definitely isn't doing it
 
Thegoldenboy2188 said:
This too. During the fight with Othinus he managed to redirect her planetary level arrows with imagine breaker, also when he was attack by all sides with water wings if I remember correctly he was still able to block them all by redirecting one of them.
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All you gotta do is avoid IB, its in his right arm.

Thats easy as shit, or just attack him with something that he would put his arm out to block and get fucked by
like Johnny shooting his fingernails
 
Masterblack06 said:
No, Ihiko doesnt Amp the things he uses as weapons with puns, he's just so strong that he can use anything as a weapon. The man is strong enough to use the Air as a weapon. Ihiko flicks the rubber band and touma get lopped in half because if someone with All Fiction couldn't stop Ihiko then IB definitely isn't doing it
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It just shows how weak All Fiction is, nothing more. IB has already repelled conceptual attacks and so on at the universal level.
 
Masterblack06 said:
All you gotta do is avoid IB, its in his right arm.

Thats easy as shit, or just attack him with something that he would put his arm out to block and get fucked by
like Johnny shooting his fingernails
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You make it sound so simple, it's actually very simple. Although it really isn't. Yes even Touma from NT 9 could repel FTL attacks, using attacks from all directions won't help either, using very strong attacks won't help either, attacks that ignore distance won't help either, one of Oatinus' arrows ignored distance and appeared right in the enemy's face and so on. Yes Touma was able to sense the attack from multidimensional space at all.
 
Mr.OMG said:
You make it sound so simple, it's actually very simple. Although it really isn't. Yes even Touma from NT 9 could repel FTL attacks, using attacks from all directions won't help either, using very strong attacks won't help either, attacks that ignore distance won't help either, one of Oatinus' arrows ignored distance and appeared right in the enemy's face and so on. Yes Touma was able to sense the attack from multidimensional space at all.
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He can repel those attack only because they are Supernatural
if Touma fought Iron Man, he would lose no ifs, and, or buts about it

Whats he gonna do, stop the repulsor blast?
 
Masterblack06 said:
He can repel those attack only because they are Supernatural
if Touma fought Iron Man, he would lose no ifs, and, or buts about it

Whats he gonna do, stop the repulsor blast?
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Read one of my posts, I explicitly said that defeating Touma is much easier if you are a normal person, just use lethal gas or a sniper rifle.
 
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