Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

[Masterblack06]

Read one of my posts, I explicitly said that defeating Touma is much easier if you are a normal person, just use lethal gas or a sniper rifle.

>Iron Man
>Normal
You dont need to be a normal person, You can be supernatural as all shit, IB isn't gonna stop you slapping touma in face

 

[Mr.OMG]

Touma isnt Othinus
and that still falls behind All Fiction because All Fiction can make it so you never did that shit in the first place

The very fact of this shows the capabilities of IB. Othinus who could manipulate causality, time and fate, or simply destroy the universe could not destroy the IB.

 

[Masterblack06]

The very fact of this shows the capabilities of IB. Othinus who could manipulate causality, time and fate, or simply destroy the universe could not destroy the IB.

Whos destroying IB, you can't Destroy All Fiction either

 

[Cryso Agori]

bring back the dead

Imagine Breaker actually did this in Vol 2.

Also, again.

Shinrabanshō-man (Fire Force) enters Medaka Box

Bro you just posted her admitting after the fact she realized it was a bad idea :skully And admitting she did so because Bookmaker was a threat to her that just makes it even worse for her

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By OLF’s own standards All Fiction is just planetary. Othinus is universal, do the math.

 

[Masterblack06]

Imagine Breaker actually did this in Vol 2.

So if Touma died, IB would bring him back from the dead?

Also, again.

Shinrabanshō-man (Fire Force) enters Medaka Box

Bro you just posted her admitting after the fact she realized it was a bad idea :skully And admitting she did so because Bookmaker was a threat to her that just makes it even worse for her

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By OLF’s own standards All Fiction is just planetary. Othinus is universal, do the math.

All Fiction being planetary and Othinus being Universal means nothing in this context
Undoing death is undoing death, removing memories is removing memories

 

[Mr.OMG]

>Iron Man
>Normal
You dont need to be a normal person, You can be supernatural as all shit, IB isn't gonna stop you slapping touma in face

Iron Man is a normal person, not counting his over9000 IQ and piles of money. And I said that Touma gets stronger the more supernatural the environment, and it's easier to defeat Touma if you're a normal person, I didn't say that Touma is not defeatable if the enemy is supernatural, I just said that Touma is more convenient to fight supernatural enemies.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Jeez, you guys made it easy for me to not really go deeper into this when it makes little sense.
Touma would get eviscerated by people who outstat him, IB only has some much pre-cognition to work with and even moreso, I remember he wasn't even "deflecting planetary arrows" from Othinus and had to die billions of times... just to get into the position where she just shot through herself with an arrow.

 

[Mr.OMG]

So if Touma died, IB would bring him back from the dead?


All Fiction being planetary and Othinus being Universal means nothing in this context
Undoing death is undoing death, removing memories is removing memories

IB has resurrected Himegami. If Touma's death is caused by some curse or magic, IB will protect Touma.

 

[Masterblack06]

Iron Man is a normal person, not counting his over9000 IQ and piles of money. And I said that Touma gets stronger the more supernatural the environment, and it's easier to defeat Touma if you're a normal person, I didn't say that Touma is not defeatable if the enemy is supernatural, I just said that Touma is more convenient to fight supernatural enemies.

Hes only more convient if the supernatural enemy is one dimensional in its attacks. if Touma were to fight 666 Satan he would lose because Satan can just hurl a planet at the planet their fighting on

IB has resurrected Himegami. If Touma's death is caused by some curse or magic, IB will protect Touma.

So then its weaker than All Fiction. All Fiction would just bring Kumogawa back by just making it so the death never happened regardless

 

[Crimson Dragoon]

look

this argument is meaningless

all you have to do is know how to throw hands

E Z

 

[Cryso Agori]

Jeez, you guys made it easy for me to not really go deeper into this when it makes little sense.
Touma would get eviscerated by people who outstat him, IB only has some much pre-cognition to work with and even moreso, I remember he wasn't even "deflecting planetary arrows" from Othinus and had to die billions of times... just to get into the position where she just shot through herself with an arrow.

That was after Touma broke Gugnir, his experience only helped him with the first part of the battle, he had never seen Othinus pull the bow out.

Kamijou's fist did not escape unscathed.

The middle and ring finger of his supposedly tightly clenched fist had been twisted at a distinctly odd angle.

Even so, the boy smiled.

As battered as he was, he smiled.

"It's…over…"

He could feel that this was the case.

"I…ended it… You can't…escape my dream…"

Othinus could not return the situation to the beginning.

The damage to her mind was approaching its limit. If she repeated the battle any more, she would be destroyed from the inside. And the more she repeated the battle, the more experience Kamijou would accumulate. If she let him challenge her again, she would only be defeated by a gradually more skilled Kamijou. Just like the player of a shooting game, his level of experience determined how great an obstacle was.

That was why she could not escape.

She could only view the simple reality that she had lost.

"Do you…"

Othinus muttered in a daze.

The sound of small cracks entering something could be heard.

"Do you really think that is all it takes to end this?"

The sound was likely coming from behind the eyepatch she wore.

Even while looking on from the outside, Kamijou could tell something was pulsating inside.

"Gungnir did nothing more than point my powers in the direction of 100% success. But the fairy spell Ollerus used on me at the very end gave me another possibility as a Magic God: 100% failure. That possibility means all of my actions will backfire. But if I know I will always fail, I can achieve victory by always choosing the exact opposite of my initial impression. …Even without the lance, a Magic God is still a Magic God!! This is not even remotely over!!!!!!"

"Perhaps not…"

Kamijou felt something like a chill run along his back.

He could feel something gathering in his broken right fist.

The destruction or severing of that fist seemed to act as some sort of trigger. He could feel in his skin that something was about to burst out.

"But I will most likely defeat you."

This was different from his earlier baseless confidence.

In his interception and destruction of the lance, Kamijou Touma had overturned a myth.

"Even if I'd lose to someone else, I will defeat you. Our specs no longer matter, Othinus. My experience has surpassed a certain point. Even if I was blindfolded and I held the controller behind my back, I could try for a no miss clear."

"……………………………………………………………………………………………………Fine then..."

Muttered Othinus quietly.

An instant later, the sound of shattering glass filled the area.

A spear of light seemed to stab through her back and into the center of her chest.

Kamijou did not know the details. He did not know this was the secret fairy spell that Ollerus and Fiamma of the Right had worked together to attack her with.

He did not know how the Magic God had used it to give her the negative possibilities of her power.

"You have only risen so high due to my failure as a god. In that case, I will correct that failure here. It is time you learned your place and prostrated yourself in the depths of the earth, human!!"

Cracks of light spread from the center of her chest and out to her entire body.

And it did not remain contained within her body.

After the lance's attack had blown everything away, only the black world remained. The cracks spreading from Othinus's back ate into that entire world. A strange symbol spread out seemingly endlessly. It resembled neither wings nor a flower.

Did her power extend to the farthest reaches of the world?

Was the world ultimately a part of her?

Gungnir had brought about a positive territory. The opposite position was a negative territory. Even as Kamijou Touma viewed that other possibility for a Magic God, he smiled and clenched his right fist.

And he spoke once more.

"Yeah, this is fine by me."

"…What?"

"What you bear isn't so light that I can convince you with words. I can understand that now. So let's not hold back. I don't care if it's hopeless or hellish. It wouldn't be any fun if we don't squeeze out every last drop."

That acted as the trigger.

In fact, the boy had likely understood his words would enrage the Magic God.

And Othinus responded.

She was so angry that he heard the sound of her canine tooth biting into the edge of her lip.

As she tasted blood, the Magic God took action.

Othinus, or the head Norse god which became the origin of the name, had left behind many different legends as the center of the system making up a mythology. That god did not necessarily use only one weapon and there were records of that god defeating various different enemies with various different blades.

And there was one weapon specifically associated with Othinus rather than Odin.

It was simply known as a crossbow.

No one knew its official name, much less how it was produced. That phantom weapon had left only a description of its frightening destructive power in the texts. That symbol of the head god was too obscure to be called a legend and had mostly been covered by the mists of time.

It was said that crossbow could simultaneously hold ten arrows in a fan shape.

It was said firing that crossbow could exterminate any army.

The entire world could be heard creaking.

Kamijou looked up slightly.

He saw the disturbing symbol bursting from Othinus's back and providing the color of light to the entire black world it covered. He heard the creaking sound of it gathering tremendous power.

In the end, the world was her crossbow.

As soon as Kamijou Touma realized that, ten pieces of destruction rained down from the heavenly dome above.

What exactly could this be compared to?

Perhaps a super-long railgun that targeted someone on the planet's surface after eternal acceleration using straight guiderails stretching from one end of the universe to the other.

Perhaps a singularity weapon that created destruction unexplainable with Newtonian physics by directly messing with the smallest particles dealing with mass and motion such as the bosons and the Higgs particle.

In all likelihood, expressing it with words was meaningless.

Even if one gathered everything that could be expressed with words, it was unlikely one could shoot down that crossbow.

It merely hit.

Kamijou Touma leaped to the side with all his strength.

…The first shot fell vertically from the heavens.

It held the destructive power needed to easily wipe out a planet or two, but it was beyond the point of creating anything like a crater. This was no different from a rifle bullet fired with the initial velocity of a sniper rifle piercing glass without breaking it. The arrow had been fired with such great speed that it pierced the pitch black ground without waiting for the impact to propagate.

Even so, Kamijou ran.

His distance to Othinus was close yet far. It felt like an infinite wall.

…The second shot seemed to skim the ground as it was fired behind him and diagonally to the left.

Kamijou crouched down and the arrow passed over his head and swept across the world. Its trajectory was angled downward slightly and it created a giant valley in that black-dyed world.

Othinus did not move from her spot.

She and Kamijou had to be the same. They were both pouring all their strength into defeating their opponent.

…The third and fourth shots burst up through the ground.

They stabbed up a few meters away on either side of Kamijou. It was a trap. If he rashly moved even a step to evade, he would be smashed to pieces.

The more unnecessary actions he took, the farther he would be from victory.

He sharpened his senses like a needle and pictured himself stretching forward and piercing Othinus with that needle.

…The fifth shot came from directly in front of him.

His movements to the left and right were already sealed off and now Othinus had thrown a straight pitch. For the first time, Kamijou swung his right hand. But not in a straight impact meant to destroy. He scooped his hand up from below, traced his hand along the surface of the arrow, and diverted its trajectory upwards.

He ran straight forward.

His fear and self-interest threatened to shake that simple action.

…The sixth and seventh shots scraped across Othinus's shoulders.

The two arrows were fired from behind her and they collided in midair before reaching him. With a tremendous explosive noise, the two arrows' trajectories changed complexly. The boy evaded one by ducking his upper body down and then jumped over the other with a great leap.

Devoting himself to evasion was meaningless.

His path threatened to waver, but he used the power of his will to desperately keep himself on course.

…The eighth shot overcame the restrictions of the third dimension.

Kamijou felt a static electricity-like spark on his spine and immediately swung his head to the side as hard as he could. An instant later, space suddenly split open and an arrow assaulted the world.

He focused on his trajectory.

The several meter path to Othinus appeared clearly in his head.

…The ninth shot ignored the concept of numbers.

The arrows that fell from above colored the night sky like fireworks and glittered like stars covering the heavens. Every single one of them was fatal, but Kamijou did not freeze up. No matter how torrentially they rained down, there was always a safe space left to step in.

He was going to reach her.

He glared at Othinus's face and clenched his right fist tighter than before.

…And the tenth shot…

(I can reach her.)

Kamijou gritted his teeth.

He sharply moved right up to her.

(I'll reach her no matter what!! It doesn't matter where the final arrow comes from! I can punch her after evading it or punch her before she can fire the arrow. Either way, I'll end this here!!)

"Othinus!!"

In the instant he shouted out, he was certain of his victory.

He stopped thinking about the tenth shot altogether. That was why he had reached the idea of ending this before she could fire it.

But his mistake was understandable.

The final shot approached from directly behind Magic God Othinus.

And she did not move a single step.

In other words, the arrow unhesitatingly pierced through Othinus.

The final arrow broke through the girl's entire body and assaulted Kamijou from the blind spot directly in front of him.

"--!!!"

"…Ah."

Time stopped.

He was too slow to react.

By the time he heard a dull sound, the final arrow had already been absorbed into his chest and accurately targeted his heart.

This was nothing as kind as piercing or breaking him.

In the instant of impact, Kamijou Touma's body was smashed to pieces from the chest down. As his heart continued to writhe in midair, the tip of the arrow caught it and blasted it to the farthest reaches of that world.

Kamijou had lost again and again and used those losses to analyze Othinus's combat patterns. That was why he could battle this Magic God. However, that had only been Othinus when wielding her lance. That had been Othinus with her positive possibilities. He had not been able to accurately pursue her actions once she opened up the negative possibilities using the fairy spell. That was why he had made a mistake at the very, very end.

Undoing death is undoing death

"Die." As Aureolus Izzard speak, time seemed to stop.

Assassinated, strangled, poisoned, shot, beheaded, slaughtered, hacked, beaten up, burned, nipped, crushed, ganged up, frozen, drowned. No one knew with what method Himegami was to die.

With no wounds, no bleeding and no illness, she simply died.

Like a consumed battery, she was expended. If souls existed, hers was extracted from her flesh, leaving behind an empty shell.

Himegami did not even cry out. Looking like she would cry, she held back her tears. Her preparation had prevented any surprise or shock. She wore an expression of regret from her inability to prevent the predetermined. Himegami Aisa knew the result of blocking Aureolus. Even so, with a speck of hope, she still attempted it.

The girl no one needed was viewed as a simple object until the very end. Like how the alchemist had never understood how to be a protagonist, Himegami Aisa had failed to become a heroine till the bitter end. Like an unappreciated background, she was dead and worthless. Such was the fate of Deep Blood Himegami Aisa.

In face of such a scene, who could have remained silent?

"Whose life…" Kamijou's eyes ignored the alchemist's existence and ran toward Himegami Aisa who was falling onto the floor. There was no reason. He simply felt that if he allowed her to reach the ground, her death would have become permanent. "ARE YOU MESSING WITH, YOU BASTARD!"

The instant before she reached the ground, Kamijou managed to catch her with both arms. She was quite light, so light it seemed like something important was stolen from her. She felt unbelievably soft in his arms.

"HaHaHaHaHa! Her existence is so longer necessary. And as you can see, I even kept my promise to her. As she wished, I set the girl free from the misfortune of her sweet blood. Ah ha, Ha ha! Ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

But, with his right carrying her, he felt a weak but definite heart beat.

Then, Himegami made a loud gasp, impossible for such a sound to go unnoticed. Yes, the girl who was decidedly dead still made a noise.

"What? My Ars Magna imbued with Gold has been dispelled by your right hand?" The alchemist's expression froze.

"IMPOSSIBLE! HIMEGAMI AISA'S DEATH WAS ALREADY DECIDED! DOES YOUR RIGHT HAND POSSESS SOME SORT OF HOLY VATICAN SECRET ART!?"

"..." Kamijou did not reply. It was enough and his questions were unimportant. Like when he touched his head and regained his day's memories, why he could negate the order to die was unimportant.

It was important that Kamijou would definitely not forgive the alchemist. He would pity him and understand him. Even if Aureolus could not bring himself to kill her after she hurt him, the man's actions were absolutely unforgivable.

The situation had changed. Sure, Kamijou had witnessed as the alchemist's most important person betrayed him, as his most important person was taken away and as his anger exploded and had refused to scold himself. Before someone that he truly cared for, how could he simply vent his anger for self-satisfaction? Kamijou wholeheartedly disagreed.

removing memories is removing memories

The alchemist, apparently seeing through Kamijou's heart, smiled. "…Forget everything."

The sun had set.

"…?" Kamijou rose from the seat and looked around himself. Seat? He found that he was inside a student bus that apparently did not go in the direction of Kamijou's dormitory. The final stop on the bus wrote "17th District: Before Misawa Cram School." Typically speaking, the final busses stopped running at 6:30. It was possibly a cram school bus considering it was rare for buses to travel at midnight.

"Misawa Cram?" Kamijou's head tilted. Was that the name of the cram school?

Kamijou pondered it but found no answer. He himself could not have been a cram school student; Kamijou Touma could not write his holiday assignments let alone prepare for exams.

The term memory loss sent chills down Kamijou's spine. He had thought that it was simply memory loss of previous experiences, but, as things stood, it may have been much worse than he had expected.

"…Better check it out at the hospital." While muttering to himself, Kamijou decided to first get off the bus for he knew not where it was headed. After exiting at the nearest stop, Kamijou found that he was unfamiliar with the surrounding scenery.

He physically felt relatively balanced and was wide awake. At first glance, he seemed very healthy but it seemed safer to do a check-up at a hospital considering he had lost several hours of memories.

If I go to the hospital I'll need my health insurance card. Better go home first. Are hospitals still open right now? Do I need to call for emergency services? Wait, how am I going to explain this to Index?

Wouldn't she be suspicious if I wanted to go to the hospital all of a sudden? Would she be angry that she hasn't eaten dinner this whole time…? His mind swirling about, Kamijou walked to his dormitory since there were no buses at that time going in that direction.

Such misfortune.

He felt like something was calling out to him.

…?

Kamijou bent his head with puzzlement. It was strange. Why did he feel like he had forgotten something important? It was like forgetting to turn off the stove before going on holiday, that sort of irresolvable danger.

What's going on? Kamijou thought about the Misawa Cram School that he had never been to and muttered.

"Nevermind. If I can't remember, it's probably not important."

With that conclusion, he continued forward. As of that moment, the most important thing was to calm down Index, who would likely be angry and starving. It seemed his only option was the 700 yen black honey pudding.

I really shouldn't've bought that 3600 yen reference book. Kamijou sighed and scratched his head with his right hand...

…His right hand that could negate any supernatural power, even a Godly miracle…

PAKIN! With the sound of his skull shattering, the entire day's memories rushed into his mind.

 

[Masterblack06]

look

this argument is meaningless

all you have to do is know how to throw hands

E Z

 

[Mr.OMG]

Hes only more convient if the supernatural enemy is one dimensional in its attacks. if Touma were to fight 666 Satan he would lose because Satan can just hurl a planet at the planet their fighting on


So then its weaker than All Fiction. All Fiction would just bring Kumogawa back by just making it so the death never happened regardless

But All Fiction cannot repel an attack capable of destroying the universe. It is easy to compare two different abilities, one that erases from existence and the other that is World Orientation, and say which is better. That's like comparing a sword and a bandage.

 

[Masterblack06]

But All Fiction cannot repel an attack capable of destroying the universe. It is easy to compare two different abilities, one that erases from existence and the other that is World Orientation, and say which is better. That's like comparing a sword and a bandage.

Biggatons aren't the be all end all. You should know this especially since we are talking about IB and All Fiction.

Now while I had fun doing this song and dance we gotta stop cause we are derailing this thread. We can continue this convo another time

 

[Qinglong]

@Masterblack06

The Slaughterhouse 9(Worm) Vs. Coast City(DC Comics)

Via bizarre dimensional shenanigans, various members of the S9 have arrived in the DCU and targeted the nearest town in the vicinity, Coast City. The 9s roster is as follows... Jack Slash, Siberian, Grey Boy, Cherish, Hatchet Face, Mannequin, Crawler, Bonesaw, Hookwolf, Burnscar, King, Nyx...

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>Restricts white lantern kyle

 

[Masterblack06]

@Masterblack06

The Slaughterhouse 9(Worm) Vs. Coast City(DC Comics)

Via bizarre dimensional shenanigans, various members of the S9 have arrived in the DCU and targeted the nearest town in the vicinity, Coast City. The 9s roster is as follows... Jack Slash, Siberian, Grey Boy, Cherish, Hatchet Face, Mannequin, Crawler, Bonesaw, Hookwolf, Burnscar, King, Nyx...

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>Restricts white lantern kyle

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Geopolitics Vs. Horror

In this battle, it will all the countries from around the world versus horror characters (Horror movies, Indie horror, and internet horror). There are NO LIMITS on what can use to win the battle (Round 4). They must fight for some reason. For all the countries, they can use all their weapons...

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For all the countries, they can use all their weapons, including those of mass destruction and nukes, and they have the military and political ideologies to help them win.

For the Horror characters, they can use their abilities, too.

The battle takes place in the Middle East.

Team Geopolitics: All countries in the Americas, Europe, Africa, Asia, and Oceania, United Nations, NATO, European Union, Eurasian Union, Capitalism.EXE, Communism.EXE, Nazism.EXE, and Fascism.EXE.

Team Horror: Slashers, Cthulhu Mythos, Creepypasta, SCP, the Backrooms, Trevor Henderson, Indie horror, and as a bonus, Bill Cipher, and Lord English are also going to participate in the battle, too, on the side of team horror.

 

[Irradiance]

Which kinda explains why Touma is unable to negate stuff like Level 6 Misaka or Innocentius but then negate universal level attacks.

Small Correction: Touma can negate those things. For those, the problem is that the supernatural state is just restored instantly, as the negation effect doesn't reach the source of the phenomenon. But there are other examples like Accel's angel wings.

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Jiren (DBS) vs Touma (Toaru)

Fight starts in the Cell Games arena 50 feet apart. Feats from anime and manga for Jiren; anime, manga LN, and games for Touma. No knowledge, no prep. Both bloodlusted Victory via KO or death

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[Crimson Dragoon]

@OtherGalaxy

Rimuru Tempest & Yuuki Kagurazaka Vs Alovenus

The main protagonist & antagonist of Tensura Isekai Rimuru and Yuuki face off the strongest character in Last Boss Isekai Alovenus. Could they pull a win against Alovenus if they replace Ruphas & Benet roles challenging this Goddess? R1: Pre-EOS Rimuru & Yuuki Vs Alovenus using her mortal...

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