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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

I have done that same shit with Fate for years, I know where you are coming from and yes, it's basically pointless because they just regurgitate the exact same points over and over even if you completely debunked them because they choose to not believe it.

We have been down that road for those of us who tried to engage SB on their own turf.
It's not even like I spent a ton of time on SB either, but there was one case where I directly saw them go "this has already been debunked in this thread" and they linked...the exact thread I had already been in where all of these points raised were either outright incorrect or didn't mean what they thought they meant.
The bullet train thing for example wasn't Jotaro saying MiH moves at the speed of a train, it's him explaining how they can still fight/see it from a distance as an analogy. This was pointed out, but they're still parroting that approach regardless.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here so I won't make some long post about it I just can't understand continuing to push information that's been proven to not even be what the story was saying in the first place. I tried to make concessions just to understand what their tiering was eg "ok let's ignore the lightspeed stuff, where do you guys place their speed? there's still a bunch of hypersonic speed feats dating back to part 2" and it's the same shit. It's like they genuinely believe Star Platinum peaked when it caught a bullet or something, or somehow got slower after. idgi
 
Honestly I would have less of an issue with their strict low end approach if they could at least meet in a reasonable middle or evaluate the other non-highest end feats fairly. That seems like a fair compromise to me if you're the type of person who finds higher end speeds or DC in smaller-scale verses to be too dissonant to believe, but in my experience they won't meet you there either, so what's the point.
 
This entire argument requires deliberately misinterpreting "world" as "universe" and then bending over backwards to ignore the basis of the entire plot of Soul Eater.

I'm not going to repeat the exact same arguments with you ad infinitum because you want to wank the series into something it isn't

You want to upgrade the verse, make a meta thread and try to have it stand up to collective scrutiny. We're not doing this here.

And he won't like most of the people who come here to try and "debunk" us, they'll just be in the Circus Thread, complaining and moaning we won't accept their take without giving any actual reason why it's true past wordplay.
 
It's not even like I spent a ton of time on SB either, but there was one case where I directly saw them go "this has already been debunked in this thread" and they linked...the exact thread I had already been in where all of these points raised were either outright incorrect or didn't mean what they thought they meant.
The bullet train thing for example wasn't Jotaro saying MiH moves at the speed of a train, it's him explaining how they can still fight/see it from a distance as an analogy. This was pointed out, but they're still parroting that approach regardless.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here so I won't make some long post about it I just can't understand continuing to push information that's been proven to not even be what the story was saying in the first place. I tried to make concessions just to understand what their tiering was eg "ok let's ignore the lightspeed stuff, where do you guys place their speed? there's still a bunch of hypersonic speed feats dating back to part 2" and it's the same shit. It's like they genuinely believe Star Platinum peaked when it caught a bullet or something, or somehow got slower after. idgi

Honestly I would have less of an issue with their strict low end approach if they could at least meet in a reasonable middle or evaluate the other non-highest end feats fairly. That seems like a fair compromise to me if you're the type of person who finds higher end speeds or DC in smaller-scale verses to be too dissonant to believe, but in my experience they won't meet you there either, so what's the point.
if theres one thing ive learned from freaks on the internet its that people have an almost impressive ability to "reason" themselves into the dumbest position you have ever seen and then never ever ever move from that position even if everything in the entire universe is telling them its wrong

just reinforces my belief that true wisdom/intelligence (and nobility, in the good sense) is partly self-reflection to make sure you aren't just constantly huffing your own farts


that or theyre all just lying shitheads who dont wanna lose a vs matchup, probably both
 
It's not even like I spent a ton of time on SB either, but there was one case where I directly saw them go "this has already been debunked in this thread" and they linked...the exact thread I had already been in where all of these points raised were either outright incorrect or didn't mean what they thought they meant.
The bullet train thing for example wasn't Jotaro saying MiH moves at the speed of a train, it's him explaining how they can still fight/see it from a distance as an analogy. This was pointed out, but they're still parroting that approach regardless.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here so I won't make some long post about it I just can't understand continuing to push information that's been proven to not even be what the story was saying in the first place. I tried to make concessions just to understand what their tiering was eg "ok let's ignore the lightspeed stuff, where do you guys place their speed? there's still a bunch of hypersonic speed feats dating back to part 2" and it's the same shit. It's like they genuinely believe Star Platinum peaked when it caught a bullet or something, or somehow got slower after. idgi

That's exactly the many things I have seen in Spacebattles in my time and it has gotten worse to the point I have said this plenty of times in the past:

"Spacebattle members have no concept of what a metaphor or a simile is".

And it's true, they will look at a metaphor or a simile and completely take it at it's word rather than understand that it's just wordplay with the infamous example being that Da Vinci explains that the Temple of Time in FGO is going to explode due to all of the collective energy of the AAS Rings going critical and she explains it that it would be like a supernova. Somehow, you have people believe that the collective AAS Rings are Star level despite the fact that it makes zero sense as a single ring is closer to Star level and the combined version is comparad to galaxies.

It's the same shit when it comes to Fate/Stay Night or god forbid Samurai Remnant because they will ignore anything that completely goes against their views while then trying to state that Servants in F/SN can barely scratch supersonic and can't mess up a City Block but ignore the Caladbolg II explosion done while losing most of it's power from Heracles swatting it, Artoria destroying the Holy Grail and Grail Mud, Belleophron being able to offset Excalibur for a decent bit at full power, Medea straight up blowing a hole straight through a Mountain and the many, many times Archer's arrows can cover Kilometers in virtually a second or less and characters still being able to react to, dodge and block them including Medea.

Honestly I would have less of an issue with their strict low end approach if they could at least meet in a reasonable middle or evaluate the other non-highest end feats fairly. That seems like a fair compromise to me if you're the type of person who finds higher end speeds or DC in smaller-scale verses to be too dissonant to believe, but in my experience they won't meet you there either, so what's the point.

My main issue is that I would be fine if SB was to use Low End Approach for all series but that's when they don't. It's extremely ridiculous to go and discount TES for it's lore because of gameplay but not do the same for Disgaea as it's primarily lifted due to it's gameplay, not it's story. They put Versus and One Punch Man on absolutely ridiculous pedestals because "ONE and Murata" but then ignore the extremely blatant feats of Final Fantasy because "story logic" despite the story backs those up even moreso than the infamous Void feat people still act like matters.
Like you can see how often they blow up Harry Potter and RWBY whenever they appear but then gets ultra strict with another series despite the obvious and it just gets unreal.
 
That's not how that works...
You basically stated pre-Cataclysm, the Sun wasn't close to the Planet but we also know that the Cataclysm that created the Sun wasn't just done by The Evangelist either. You literally didn't even answer the point and went onto a whole ass different set of points.
the evangelist has implanted the end has a idea in the psyche of every human, and then it is said that the sun was created through a cataclysm from very long ago, if it was not the evangelist, then who was it?some unknown character with no relevance whatsoever?
Yeah, I read that when it came to that retarded as fuck Shinrabanshoman vs. ORT thread and it's still retarded here because that's only talking about the encompassing of Adolla, not the powers of either Shinrabanshoman or The Evangelist which is extremely limited in range.
man how can you say that Adolla>>>Shinrabanshoman when it was shown the opposite?and the evangelist is Adolla.
Death being called the "King of The Cosmos" doesn't mean what you think it means when we know Death is limited to his scope. You are trying to desperately fit in a square peg in a triangle and state both works.
I can easily point out many fictional and real life examples of people given lofty as shit titles and they don't display anything remotely that.
it was said, by the great old one of power...you know, the embodiment of the madness of power?and how many times i have repeat that Death is trapped on death city because of his soul stuck there?
That is very, very clearly not even remotely what the hell he's talking about...
This is even dumber considering we literally see him not just take away the powers of those with Pillars, but everyone's Pyrokinetic abilities and still couldn't reach Arthur or Excalibur.
Seriously dude, fuck right off.
in the context, he reffered to the pillars, yes he also took the pyrokinetic abilities of others, but when is talking, he is reffering to the pillars.
also...why insult me?what did i do to you?do you really find me that annoying?
 
This entire argument requires deliberately misinterpreting "world" as "universe" and then bending over backwards to ignore the basis of the entire plot of Soul Eater.
then why mention the universe?why does the physics change?why are the stars and the moon also changed if is just earth being affected?you know that also requires people to not give a thing for the story.
I'm not going to repeat the exact same arguments with you ad infinitum because you want to wank the series into something it isn't
neither of us are infinite anyway
You want to upgrade the verse, make a meta thread and try to have it stand up to collective scrutiny. We're not doing this here.
i thought this place was just a forum, because mostly, i don't think anyone cares about the pages...or probably i just don't know how this place works
 
if theres one thing ive learned from freaks on the internet its that people have an almost impressive ability to "reason" themselves into the dumbest position you have ever seen and then never ever ever move from that position even if everything in the entire universe is telling them its wrong

just reinforces my belief that true wisdom/intelligence (and nobility, in the good sense) is partly self-reflection to make sure you aren't just constantly huffing your own farts


that or theyre all just lying shitheads who dont wanna lose a vs matchup, probably both
I honestly can't tell which it is
It's 50% narrative dissonance to them. This part I understand even if I think it's a poor justification on its own because fiction doesn't have to play by any rules. To me you need further evidence to debunk a feat than it being unrealistic. Stories are not realistic by nature. But then there's just the insane lengths to not make any concessions whatsoever, even if it doesn't change the outcome of a match at all. It's mind numbing
That's exactly the many things I have seen in Spacebattles in my time and it has gotten worse to the point I have said this plenty of times in the past:

"Spacebattle members have no concept of what a metaphor or a simile is".

And it's true, they will look at a metaphor or a simile and completely take it at it's word rather than understand that it's just wordplay with the infamous example being that Da Vinci explains that the Temple of Time in FGO is going to explode due to all of the collective energy of the AAS Rings going critical and she explains it that it would be like a supernova. Somehow, you have people believe that the collective AAS Rings are Star level despite the fact that it makes zero sense as a single ring is closer to Star level and the combined version is comparad to galaxies.

It's the same shit when it comes to Fate/Stay Night or god forbid Samurai Remnant because they will ignore anything that completely goes against their views while then trying to state that Servants in F/SN can barely scratch supersonic and can't mess up a City Block but ignore the Caladbolg II explosion done while losing most of it's power from Heracles swatting it, Artoria destroying the Holy Grail and Grail Mud, Belleophron being able to offset Excalibur for a decent bit at full power, Medea straight up blowing a hole straight through a Mountain and the many, many times Archer's arrows can cover Kilometers in virtually a second or less and characters still being able to react to, dodge and block them including Medea.
It's actually funnier to me how they approach to mid end feats compared to the high ends. Eg. with Kars, because they don't buy the FTL feat they only accepted....him not being able to catch the airplane at the end.

???? huh?
He has three other notable speed feats, all in the hypersonic range, one of them is even in the fight with the airplane, why are we defaulting to the lowest end one?

They tried to push for sub-bullet speed Jolyne when she was punching out meteorites without even looking at them. They then tried to argue the meteorites were subsonic while linking an article that actually proved they were moving around mach 20. I just don't get it man
My main issue is that I would be fine if SB was to use Low End Approach for all series but that's when they don't. It's extremely ridiculous to go and discount TES for it's lore because of gameplay but not do the same for Disgaea as it's primarily lifted due to it's gameplay, not it's story. They put Versus and One Punch Man on absolutely ridiculous pedestals because "ONE and Murata" but then ignore the extremely blatant feats of Final Fantasy because "story logic" despite the story backs those up even moreso than the infamous Void feat people still act like matters.
Like you can see how often they blow up Harry Potter and RWBY whenever they appear but then gets ultra strict with another series despite the obvious and it just gets unreal.
See I agree with this too, if it was super hardball lowest end across the board, that is at least a fair standard applied evenly. Even if I disagree with the approach, it's internally consistent. But their approaches to series like JoJo, Elden Ring (the only credit I'll give here is ER requires a lot of legwork to full understand and solidify the scaling, but even then they refused to accept its lower end feats either, so this was still a case of dishonesty rather than being skeptical towards the higher end stuff alone), Elder Scrolls, etc. just aren't. Final Fantasy is another good example of a series that isn't given a fair shake because it isn't evaluated on the same principles as others.
 
then why mention the universe?why does the physics change?why are the stars and the moon also changed if is just earth being affected?you know that also requires people to not give a thing for the story.

neither of us are infinite anyway

i thought this place was just a forum, because mostly, i don't think anyone cares about the pages...or probably i just don't know how this place works

The universe was mentioned by a mad scientist who was off his rocker, the laws of physics in question were isolated to the planet, the moon changed because enough time passed for the influence to reach that far, etc

SE and FF are both considered as planet-level verses in the OLF. If you want to challenge or change that, go back into the main "meta" battledome and make a thread about it.

Because if it's not blindingly obvious by now, most of the people here aren't taking you seriously and the few actually engaging with you all think you're wrong.

Meaning the next time a thread comes through the circus thread about Shinrabanshoman or whoever vs an actual universal entity it'll get the same reaction.

You can disagree with that if you wish but unless you actually make a thread you'll just be part of the thing everyone is laughing at.
 
The universe was mentioned by a mad scientist who was off his rocker, the laws of physics in question were isolated to the planet, the moon changed because enough time passed for the influence to reach that far, etc
Giovanni was crazy, thats correct, it is also correct that he clearly says that Pi got solved, and the physics of the world changed.
two things can be true, Giovanni can be crazy, and still be relaible.
you know how stupid it sounds for you to say "the physics were isolated to the planet"and somehow the moon and the stars are affected...and they are not part of the planet????????????
SE and FF are both considered as planet-level verses in the OLF. If you want to challenge or change that, go back into the main "meta" battledome and make a thread about it.
show me
Because if it's not blindingly obvious by now, most of the people here aren't taking you seriously and the few actually engaging with you all think you're wrong.
we both have different views on the other person, i think you are wrong, you think i am wrong, both sides of the same coin.
Meaning the next time a thread comes through the circus thread about Shinrabanshoman or whoever vs an actual universal entity it'll get the same reaction.
It's enough for me to be sure that you and I exist at this moment
You can disagree with that if you wish but unless you actually make a thread you'll just be part of the thing everyone is laughing at.
i am on the side of the people who think the FF verse is universal, not on the side of the people who literraly think "physics"are all limited to the planet, even when the story shows otherwise.
 
I don't really care, my guy. It's been explained to you why no one believes you, and neither Soul Eater or Fire Force are getting upgraded off the half-assed silliness you're pushing.

By all means, try to change that if you want. We could always use the laughs.
if you don't care, then why are you answering me?(this sounds stupid if i say it like this)
 
Bros getting shit from even Nasu wankers that think he’s not arguing enough for it



^ And no, that’s not a typo despite their username. They really do think the likes of Saber, Gilgamesh, and biggest fraud of all Void Shiki are above 99.9% of fiction based on their videos on YouTube

:hestonpls
 
Apparently, they only nuked Profiles like Shiki Ryougi to make for even dumber ones.

Prepare for Tier 0 Void and I guess Tier 0 for every other Servant too for that matter

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I'm not, the "debate" is already over :zaru

I'm explaining to you how the forum works and the process you can follow if you want to try and actually push your beliefs here

Like I said before, he won't lol.



It's funny seeing Powerscaling bring up that the Void Shiki wank is stupid(which it is) but then act as if Ryougi is just a bullet timer when Ryougi was able to outjump a pointblank Car Bomb explosion with C4 as the base... and Shiki with a Katana is fast enough that Knife Ryougi next to her is the equivalent of a zombie.
Mach 29+ is not bullet timing... let alone that.
 
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