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Game Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines

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Lappland said:
Ratchet why are you not calling out Ultra at all? I feel like you are handling this rather passively
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It's not about calling someone out, it's about being right. I don't think, as scum, Ultra subs in, and then pushes the town masons and then doubles down when you can evidence it. His solve actually makes sense if you allow for the masons to be less than confirmed in your mind. And also, there is not many that fit in a scum team with him. He's not going to be scum with Nutmeg. When he subbed in, he took the attention away from Reloaded and onto Cata/Stargate - he's unlikely to be scum with either. That leaves Gad and Reloaded exactly. It's not impossible, and there is an explanation for his behaviour that fits a scum mindset too (that he knew he would look bad after pushing the masons and decided that doubling down was the best way to WIFOM it), but I'm not all that compelled by it. Would much prefer flipping in Cata/Stargate, I think Stargate's posts today have been harder to reconcile than anything Ultra has said too.
 
Ratchet said:
It's not about calling someone out, it's about being right. I don't think, as scum, Ultra subs in, and then pushes the town masons and then doubles down when you can evidence it. His solve actually makes sense if you allow for the masons to be less than confirmed in your mind. And also, there is not many that fit in a scum team with him. He's not going to be scum with Nutmeg. When he subbed in, he took the attention away from Reloaded and onto Cata/Stargate - he's unlikely to be scum with either. That leaves Gad and Reloaded exactly. It's not impossible, and there is an explanation for his behaviour that fits a scum mindset too (that he knew he would look bad after pushing the masons and decided that doubling down was the best way to WIFOM it), but I'm not all that compelled by it. Would much prefer flipping in Cata/Stargate, I think Stargate's posts today have been harder to reconcile than anything Ultra has said too.
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I fully agree with this, this is why I'm doubting whether Ultra is scum, unless he's pulling a TWTBAW.

If needed, I can self-vote - better I be eliminated today then we end with another no-lynch.
 
Lappland said:
Similar to what? His play does not add up largely, he is pushing a ton of directions that quite frankly do not make sense. People just ignore it for reasons that mostly line up to them being unable to read his posts critically.

read his thoughts post by post, think about them and then revisit them in your own mind.

I can line them out again

Ultra was hiding a pretty worthless claim yesterday for no good reason
He split the wagons yesterday and instead at most points tried to push me over
His arguments are largely rooted in super flawed logic and the one stalling us since yesterday has been him


Do you think that is what a town does?
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His play in the previous game was him being very stubborn, very aggressive when people suggested he was wrong, and maintaining the same solve as normal.

This comes off more as Ultra being town with a truly "unique" solve than scum.
 
One last reminder to everyone that we have to have a majority in order to get an elimination, and EoD is in 2 hours. I don't mind if the chosen wagon is me, but for God's sake do not end today in another no-lynch.
 
Ratchet said:
Ah ffs it is 24 hours. Do we have a vote count, probably going to have to compromise here.
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On mobile, but I believe:

Stargate18: 2 (Ratchet, Cataclysm)
Ultra: 3 (Stargate18, Lappland, Atsumori)
Cataclysm: 1 (Sharter)

We need 6 for majority, so we either need some inactive to vote or for some inactives to vote.
 
From the numbers, again assuming it's correct which it probably is, it's 8v3 now, which leaves 3 mislynches. A no lynch and kill makes it 7v3, 2 lynches. A mislynch and kills takes it to 6v3, also 2 mislynches. So either way there is no value at all to not getting a flip.
 
Ratchet said:
From the numbers, again assuming it's correct which it probably is, it's 8v3 now, which leaves 3 mislynches. A no lynch and kill makes it 7v3, 2 lynches. A mislynch and kills takes it to 6v3, also 2 mislynches. So either way there is no value at all to not getting a flip.
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I fully agree. There's no scenario here where scum doesn't benefit from a flip.

If I die, my legacy is to look at anyone who was actively posting earlier but dropped off around now. Scum can get a solid benefit by ghosting the thread here, and it's difficult to prove intentional ghosting, so they probably will.
 
Stargate18 said:
On mobile, but I believe:

Stargate18: 2 (Ratchet, Cataclysm)
Ultra: 3 (Stargate18, Lappland, Atsumori)
Cataclysm: 1 (Sharter)

We need 6 for majority, so we either need some inactive to vote or for some inactives to vote.
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Apologies, I missed a vote. Ultra voted for Cataclysm as well, so it's a 3-2-2 wagon split at the moment.
 
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