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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition
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Poseidon (Record of Ragnarok) vs Rider (Fate Stay Night)
Both sides have all of their feats Both sides are in-character Both sides are unaware of each other capabilities Both sides start 40 meters apart of each other Fight to death or complete incapacitation Takes place in Fuyuki If Medusa stomps, Poseidon is assisted by Hades If Poseidon stomps...forums.spacebattles.com
No he doesn't. He would be FTL and so would she, that wouldn't be anything above Medusa.
Belleophron(And the Pegasus itself) is stated to be the 2nd most powerful Noble Phantasm Shirou has seen in the 5th Holy Grail War which extra materials agree with:
Bellerophon
Rank: A+
Type: Anti-Army
Range: 2~50
Maximum Targets: 300 People
FYI, Nasuverse Dragons are minimum Country level in Attack Power and Defense considering the fact that their Fire Breath is based off their physical strength explicitly. And this is BEFORE Belleophron happens which amps the Pegasus multiple levels explicitly.
Yeah good luck with that Posiedon.
Also "anti-army NP that shouldn't be used for 1 v 1".
Just knocks the wind out of Saber Alter enough for Shirou to finish her off.
To be fair, Saber at full strength(and Saber Alter even moreso is that) is a MONSTER beyond Monsters and is one of the strongest Servants(and beings) to ever exist.
Charlemagne, himself a Top Servant potential being who can even hold off Vasavi Shakti for a bit and fight many other strong Servants can't even make Artoria BUDGE in Extella Link and despite being a Blood Knight par excellence, REFUSES a second go around when she gives him an opportunity for a rematch.
The fact Belleophron didn't immediately kill her despite the movie continuity having her get hit by it virtually at FULL FORCE rather than having most of it's power reduced speaks volumes of her strength and defense.
TBF I wasn't disputing the moves power.
Merely using it to emphasize how much of a beast Artoria is.
TBF I wasn't disputing the moves power.
Merely using it to emphasize how much of a beast Artoria is.
Oh yeah, well anyway, it is funny they are pretending Medusa has nothing "Mountain Busting" in terms of her abilities when:
1. She has Monstrous Strength and one of the highest rating of Strength as a Servant.
2. Was able to literally trap Saber Alter in a huge set of Stalagmites using nothing more than her Chains and her base strength for awhile(Someone who rivals Heracles otherwise).
3. Pegasus ALONE would be Country Busting and Belleophron powers that up by a massive amount.
4. In Primsa Illya, Pegasus literally destroyed Grail Mud... and Servant Cards are either weaker than the actual Servants or as strong as the actual Servants themselves(This is despite the author wanting to make the series not canonical to the overall Nasuverse but Nasu completely decided otherwise
)And even if we pretend that Poseidon is stronger than her, Medusa can literally do the same goddamned trick she did against Saber Alter to explicitly weaken Poseidon and fuck him up that way:
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/unohana-gentei-kaijo-vs-nnoitra.1259758/
Meanwhile in retard central.
We have people pretending the 20% limiter thing is enough for Unohana to NOT ONLY not absolutely stomp Nnoitra, but somehow fucking LOSE to him.
Just as a reminder, this woman CURBSTOMPED a version of Kenpachi who was MUCH stronger than the one who killed Nnoitra (as that fight broke one of his limiters), so much so he made sport of a released 0 Espada and, together with Byakuya, killed him at full power.
And Unohana would do this, DOZENS of times over, even as Kenpachi's power level would have been skyrocketing everytime she broke one of his limiters by healing him from near death.
But nah, the 20% nerf is enough because "hurr durr limited Hitsugaya lost to a fraccion".
Meanwhile in retard central.
We have people pretending the 20% limiter thing is enough for Unohana to NOT ONLY not absolutely stomp Nnoitra, but somehow fucking LOSE to him.
Just as a reminder, this woman CURBSTOMPED a version of Kenpachi who was MUCH stronger than the one who killed Nnoitra (as that fight broke one of his limiters), so much so he made sport of a released 0 Espada and, together with Byakuya, killed him at full power.
And Unohana would do this, DOZENS of times over, even as Kenpachi's power level would have been skyrocketing everytime she broke one of his limiters by healing him from near death.
But nah, the 20% nerf is enough because "hurr durr limited Hitsugaya lost to a fraccion".
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/unohana-gentei-kaijo-vs-nnoitra.1259758/
Meanwhile in retard central.
We have people pretending the 20% limiter thing is enough for Unohana to NOT ONLY not absolutely stomp Nnoitra, but somehow fucking LOSE to him.
Just as a reminder, this woman CURBSTOMPED a version of Kenpachi who was MUCH stronger than the one who killed Nnoitra (as that fight broke one of his limiters), so much so he made sport of a released 0 Espada and, together with Byakuya, killed him at full power.
And Unohana would do this, DOZENS of times over, even as Kenpachi's power level would have been skyrocketing everytime she broke one of his limiters by healing him from near death.
But nah, the 20% nerf is enough because "hurr durr limited Hitsugaya lost to a fraccion".
They really do forget that the other Leuitenants got fucking MURDERED themselves fighting against those Fraccion instantly right? Even Rangiku herself was easily dropped and it was amazing Hitsugaya lasted so damn long despite that.
Unohana would absolutely make Nniotra into a joke even limited the same way.
And even ignoring that, Shawlong beating down Hitsugaya says as much for how strong he was (by fraccion standards) as it does for how much the limiter nerfed him.
I could also bring up the fact Ichigo one-shotted a Gillian class Menos with his unlocked reiatsu, where a LIMITED Renji was still able to defend himself and even block a strike without being cut in two. Wow, look at that nerf.
But Sables would just say "hurr durr, Ichigo's isn't being destroyed by his power level like before, therefore he's not using the same level of power" as if he couldn't simply have adjusted to it or that don't see that exact same type of thing play out later with his bankai.
First time he used it, it fucked up his body. Any other time, he was fine.
It's like they DESPARATELY want to pretend the gap between the weakest Captains and the strongest Captains isn't as big as it actually is for some reason.
could also bring up the fact Ichigo one-shotted a Gillian class Menos with his unlocked reiatsu, where a LIMITED Renji was still able to defend himself and even block a strike without being cut in two. Wow, look at that nerf.
But Sables would just say "hurr durr, Ichigo's isn't being destroyed by his power level like before, therefore he's not using the same level of power" as if he couldn't simply have adjusted to it or that don't see that exact same type of thing play out later with his bankai.
First time he used it, it fucked up his body. Any other time, he was fine.
That is hilariously true. And as you stated yourself, the gap between Shawlong and D-Roy was fucking VAST, especially in comparison to the other Fraccion in Grimmjow's group outside of Edorad.
>Yamamoto literally handpicked Shunsui as his successor, no one else outside of maybe Ukitake
>Unohana is seen as so strong and scary, Shunsui was terrified he forgot to include her in the Senior Captains despite her not even being there.
>Shunsui basically fights Starrk otherwise in Shikai similarly to how Rose and Love fought him despite using Hollow Masks.
Fucking really?
Reminder though that Sables unironically believes Izuru OUTRAN Hitsugaya as if Hitsugaya didn't blitz him TWICE in the same arc. So no feat against Hitsugaya is going to be seen as extraordinary by him.
But Shunsui got bodied as easily as everyone else did by Aizen, so he CAN'T be THAT much stronger than most Captains. Also Stark is MUCH faster than Shunsui and he could only beat him after cheap-shotting him because he was WEAKENED. Lillie is therefore shit physically, BECAUSE Shunsui could fight him.
And of course Shunsui's Zanpaktou doesn't physically nerf him when it has its bouts of being fickle because that's not how Zanpaktou work. Only the Zanpaktou itself gets stronger unless it's a physical type because "insert statements of the Soul Reaper and Zanpaktou being separate + Ikkaku's bankai not buffing him" here.
That part confuses me even more because even HE has admitted there are feats that don't make sense unless Shikai and Bankai raise stats. The most notable being Hitsugaya going from getting fucked up by Bazz - being able to take ANYTHING from a powered-up Gerard.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...acter-can-defeat-jedah-dohma-from-da-2264677/
lmao he fucks on the entire verse I honestly doubt even Dormammu or the What If characters could deal with his hax
lmao he fucks on the entire verse I honestly doubt even Dormammu or the What If characters could deal with his hax
>Hitsugaya blitzed both Hinamori and Izuru despite not even being in the general area
>His Shikai was too fast for Izuru and even Gin to react to
>Izuru can somehow outrun a Captain
Yeah, Sables would use that assbackwards logic to justify that... despite Starrk needing to cheapshot Shunsui at all to "take him out"(Who was literally faking it as Lisa went to check on him minutes later) and Shunsui himself was cheapshotted by Aizen due to frantically rushing after Hitsugaya after he lost it.
It's funny because it's hilariously TRUE. Hitsugaya even mentions while his Bankai Abilities can be used in Shikai, he explicitly uses weaker levels of ice in Shikai than he does in Bankai and thus his abilities are explicitly WEAKENED.
That's why Bazz-B was able to murder him so badly and it's not like that really hurt Hitsugaya considering Bazz-B is a High Tier Sternritter in general so I don't understand how he can't understand how screwed Hitsugaya was without his Bankai when very few CAPTAINS can fight Sternritter without their Bankai as well.
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/unohana-gentei-kaijo-vs-nnoitra.1259758/#post-64502909
Oh for fuck's sake.
Aizen even described it as him "mastering his Shikai", that is ALL he did in that instance and that was enough.
Then include the fact Nnoitra is stronger than Grimmjow = Masked Ichigo so yeah.
Why would one limiter double his power and another wouldn't?
STILL tries to use said statement, which is proven wrong by the series itself, to prove they were GARBAGE Arrancar.
Oh for fuck's sake.
In order to stop his bleeding, not to actually power him up beyond what he would otherwise be capable of at the time.
Aizen even described it as him "mastering his Shikai", that is ALL he did in that instance and that was enough.
Literally goes into CQC with and even lands a cut or two on him during the onslaught.
Then include the fact Nnoitra is stronger than Grimmjow = Masked Ichigo so yeah.
Why the fuck wouldn't we?
Why would one limiter double his power and another wouldn't?
You kind of are though, since his poor performance against Shawlong is the entire basis of your argument.
See what I mean?
While you are simultaneously ignoring the fact Unohana is stronger than Hitsugaya to an absolutely LUDICROUS degree, which torches your entire argument.
He really likes that term it seems.
Acknowledges they were retconned into being a stronger class of Menos than Aizen stated they were.
STILL tries to use said statement, which is proven wrong by the series itself, to prove they were GARBAGE Arrancar.
You know it's bad when even 4th is CORRECTLY pointing out the obvious flaw in your entire argument.
ha This is hilarious too considering the dumbass forgets that going by his logic, this wasn't Ichigo's real power either... so it was very quantifiable... in the fact that Zangetsu held him the fuck back on purpose.
I don't even know how he can function considering how obvious that is even onscreen. Ichigo couldn't even scratch Nnoitra while he was buffed up to easily do it to Grimmjow in his Ressurcion if the latter wasn't careful. Even if we put it towards Ichigo being weakened after Grimmjow, it still would show how Ulquirroa basically murdered him the second he went Ressurcion as another massive powergap.
Apparently Unohana was completely wrong and he doesn't just get his power back that way at all...
See what I mean?
It's funny because again, Limited Hitsugaya =/= Limited Unohana/Shunsui/Ukitake and thus it's a godawful comparison especially when again, Shawlong was a cut above most Espada right there.
Unohana fought for 2-3 days straight meanwhile healing Kenpachi from the constant fatal blows she did to him and potential damage she's taken in the meantime...
No other Captain has shown the insane stamina she has, not ONE.
This is funny considering the Hyogoku evolutions was explicitly stated and later shown to unequivocally boost those buffed by it to higher levels than they would reach naturally(As the "filler" episode on Harribel struggling to defeat an Adjuchas Arrancar despite her being a canonical Vasto Lorde at the time and Kubo later clarifying most of the Espada WAS Vasto Lorde level but only from 6 and below.) Meaning we seriously see how absolutely obscene Starrk, Barragan and Harribel are and just how insane the gap between Captains and Senior Captains REALLY is(and how hilariously vast Hitsugaya's potential is as he's supposed to surpass SHUNSUI in 100 years)
But Nnoitra could totally CQC Stark though and Base Grimmjow is faster than Harribel.
I actually don't know what is dumber, the arguments of weaker Espada being able to beat stronger ones just due to specialties (despite all evidence of how ridiculous the power gap between the weaker and stronger Espada is) or the constant and desparate attempts to pretend the Espada would be a factor against MOST of the Nazis. ONLY definitely losing to Mask and up.
Like Stark somehow hard-counters Bambietta, despite it really being the other way around. "Hurr durr no, Bambietta's a dumbass so he would outsmart her".
Like they acknowledge the power creep over there, but they still want to pretend it wasn't as insane as it actually was.
Uh...
The Six (The God of Highschool) vs the Black Bulls (Black Clover)
The Six, the peak of martial arts around the world! VS The Black Bulls of Clover Kingdom! Participants in the battle: The Six: -Mujin Park (Pre and Post Timeskip feats, has WI-FI, No Maitreya powers) -Dusik Kim (Post Timeskip) -Bongchim Nah -Jaesan Jeon -Hallyang Seo -Ungnyeo Kim The Black...forums.spacebattles.com
Unless BC got a big boost and became planet busting recently Mubong, Hallyang, and Dusik should stomp. Asta’s anti magic matters little once Dusik gets his hands on him.
Dusik alone folds everyone like omelettes
Unless BC got a big boost and became planet busting recently Mubong, Hallyang, and Dusik should stomp. Asta’s anti magic matters little once Dusik gets his hands on him.
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/unohana-gentei-kaijo-vs-nnoitra.1259758/page-2
Seriously these same people will say Unohana stomps Shunsui and shit like that, but apparently they have a hard time accepting the fact she's hilariously stronger than the likes of Nnoitra, to the point an 80% nerf is going to do exactly jack and shit.
It is really fucking tragic when 4th and Xelios are the only two people actually making sense in a vs thread.
And the gap between Unohana and basically anyone involved in the HM arc, short of seniors, Aizen or fucking Yamamoto himself is MASSIVE.
Seriously these same people will say Unohana stomps Shunsui and shit like that, but apparently they have a hard time accepting the fact she's hilariously stronger than the likes of Nnoitra, to the point an 80% nerf is going to do exactly jack and shit.
In light of what exactly? There are MASSIVE power gaps all over this series, what exactly is this going against?
At least yeah, unless you want to explain to me how a SS Ichigo who can beat a Captain, who gets shat on by Base Grimmjow, isn't many times weaker than someone who can curbstomp the guy largely responsible for killing one of the strongest Espada many times over.
There's nothing dubious about it, all this is is sheer denial.
It is really fucking tragic when 4th and Xelios are the only two people actually making sense in a vs thread.
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