Who is the strongest character that Nerevarine (The Elder Scrolls) can beat in Toaru?

Paxton

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The only existence erasure that exists in the series (to my knowledge), Coronzon's Ceremony of Mo Athair, would spare nothing that exists in the series.

No exceptions.

While you could make the argument that it's "superior" to normal existence erasure, there's no reason the Magic Gods of all people would be exempt.
So honestly any CHIM user should just say "no lmao" and Magic Gods would be gone.
 
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The ceremony that destroys the Pure Phase Othinus already destroyed and brought back in NT9 Pax?

:cat

The same ceremony that Coronzon only carried out while all the Magic Gods were rendered not even a shell of their former selves and even than, she wondered if she would really be destroyed by it like she was hoping, let alone the nerfed Magic Gods still about as a strong as her?
 
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She didn't destroy the Pure World because existence would've been fucking GONE if she did.

Coronzon's a completely different being than Magic Gods and her surviving it (which is unlikely) means nothing for them being able to survive it.
 
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Like it was safe for the single already non-existent Phase the Magic Gods were in? And no other Phases remaining for it to collide into?

Your sure love beating a dead horse no matter how many times your proven wrong by everyone, not just me.
 
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We have no reason to believe ANYTHING is an exemption from Coronzon's ceremony.
Her entire plan falls apart if that's the case.

The only thing that would "survive" it is Ein Sof, the being who actually created existence in the first place, but they're hardly a character in the first place.
 
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Paxton said:
We have no reason to believe ANYTHING is an exemption from Coronzon's ceremony.

The only thing that would "survive" it is Ein Sof, the being who actually created existence in the first place, but they're hardly a character in the first place.
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Except Magic Gods clearly surviving everything destroyed including the Pure World in NT9
 
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Literally nothing in those quotes proves it's anything but the surface world being affected, except for willful misinterpretation of what "world" or "everything" is referring to in that context.

We've done this same song and dance before.
 
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Paxton said:
Literally nothing in those quotes proves it's anything but the surface world being affected, except for willful misinterpretation of what "world" or "everything" is referring to in that context.

We've done this same song and dance before.
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Yup, with you being proven wrong every time

Come back to me when your not regurgitating the same garbage
 
Paxton

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Coronzon, who already has enough raw power to destroy the "world", still needs to perform a specific ceremony to direct a bunch of energy into the Pure World to destroy it and thus the rest of existence "above" it (i.e. the entire Sephiroth).

And I'm supposed to believe anyone who destroys the "world" is actually destroying all of existence, no matter the context saying otherwise?



If you say so :tupac
 
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damn I had no idea WW3 Gabriel of all characters can destroy the entire Sephiroth

..including it's home dimension where it actually resides at with their full power

:tupac
 
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Literally spelled out for you. Not the first time youve demonstrated your beyond shit reading comprehension though and definitely won’t be the last with how you love going back to arguing the same shit.

Othinus and Kamijou Touma had been wrong about one thing.

They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.

But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.

This black world was the place not even Magic God Othinus had been able to destroy.
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^ Every Phase unambiguously destroyed. What’s the Pure World? A Phase that stabilizes the rotation of other all the others by being at the very center. Something even Curtana Original

Anything else that I’ve already gone over with you a million times because you can’t get over your Transcendent wank and have had this chip in your shoulder ever since?
 
Paxton

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"Literally nothing in those quotes proves it's anything but the surface world being affected, except for willful misinterpretation of what "world" or "everything" is referring to in that context.

We've done this same song and dance before."

You didn't address anything I said.
None of that says anything proving she affected things beyond the surface world.

Lol at Curtana Original being relevant, when the being it sources power from (Michael) already resides in a higher state of being than them.

They're not replicating what it does.
 
Masterblack06

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Astaro said:
And? If your just going to try to impress me with unquantifiable jargon, it’s not working
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I dont need to impress you I just need you to not downplay what is happening to mere "magic missles"
Astaro said:
That’s actually the fractal missiles fired by some other party after those dudes were wiped out actually
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And reality is still being protected, barely, by the clockwork city
Astaro said:
Please tell me.
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The fact you think weaponized math is simple magic missles.
Astaro said:
Great but again. I’m not arguing the power behind its erasure, just the range and how Neravarine never is shown getting hit by it
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The range that affects the entire setting considering its World Refusals absolutely buttfucked time across all existence and lead to the dawn of a new era within TES
Astaro said:
I love how you get all hyped up with Neravarine stuff but as soon as I post the scans of it applying to the opposing side, you do a 180 and just pretend it wasn’t even an argument when you brought it up in the first place.
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What are you talking about. You said that they were just like a weakened Vivic and I said that Vivec claimed the Nerevarine could kill him. I didnt do a 180 on anything this entire time.

Nerevarine fought Numidium and didnt instantly get yeeted from the narrative
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Literally read the entire fight. It didn’t even erase the entire imperial city. It was fucking up time across the Multiverse sure but not in any way that it destroyed everything instantly:
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Never said it erased the imperial city, I pointed out that even landing near the city deleted the white gold tower instantly. This other information about the Numidium fucking up time is lore about the Numidium that shit happened elsewhere during the same event where he absolutely rocked all the gods shit
Inside his mecha powered by several Daedra Artifacts and elder scrolls while still losing anyway, not on his own

He doesn’t scale to the Numidium’s power in any reasonable way. Move on.
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Never said he scaled, I mentioned, from the start, that the Nerevarine fought him

For some reason people seem to think that if someone says "hey person a fought person b" that MUST imply the person is attempting to scale. I can't just be describing a situation where someone didnt immediately get fucked
NAH "Masterblack has to be attempting to scale Nerevarine to Numidium even though he mentioned multiple times that the Numidium won and beat people stronger than the Nerevarine already"

inb4 "oh your trying to do a 180"
 
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Paxton said:
"Literally nothing in those quotes proves it's anything but the surface world being affected, except for willful misinterpretation of what "world" or "everything" is referring to in that context.

We've done this same song and dance before."

You didn't address anything I said.
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The “surface world of the 4 Worlds that literally just mentioned for any magic that revolves around Kabbalah. That there’s no basis that they even exist physically?

The you’ve had to repeatedly lie and headcanon that Othinus didn’t destroy any Phases based around mytholgy to have any sort of weight?

But sure, I’ll humor you. Again.

We’ve already established Othinus destroyed every Phase besides the Magic God’s right? Good. Meaning there can’t be anymore.

Aleister performing a Ritual to send Coronzon back to her place in the Sephiroth (Abyss) from the physical plane. The process has her going through several Phases


“This is not thy place, but I forbid thee to depart!! I shall now intentionally enact a failed exorcism. Great Demon Coronzon, return to thy rightful world while thy power is torn into the almighty number of 11!!”

Magician Aleister Crowley really did seem to be coughing up blood as she yelled the words.

If you thought of a summoning circle like a warp gate from cheap science fiction, then what would happen if you threw someone into a malfunctioning gate and entered the coordinates using a staticky signal? The power to forcibly send her back between phases would slice Coronzon apart like a wire through a hardboiled egg.

“Oh!”

Fearsome sparks exploded out.

And not figuratively. An orange light really did scatter all around her.

“Oooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!???”

It was a lot like pushing a human body through a noodle maker. Coronzon’s silhouette vanished into the bright light as her entire body was torn apart and forced into a total of eleven gates.
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^ TL;DR Sephiroth is made of phases in the bolded part. Likely 4 representing the 4 worlds.
And Phases that explicitly didn’t survive when Othinus destroyed everything
 
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Coronzon's entire existence and plan proves they actually exist. Are you being willfully obtuse?

I never once disputed that phases exist within the Sephiroth.

The Four Worlds aren't represented by four different phases, they're metaphysical "worlds" that divide up the cosmology in the realms of man, lower angels, archangels, and god.

Do you have ANY idea how this series works?
Or how the Kabbalah works at it's core?


Othinus didn't destroy the religious phases because numerous quotes exist stating that Magic Gods are limited to the surface world and the fact that Dainsleif calamities, literal mock imitations of actual phase beings in said religious phases..

Can destroy the "world" just like Magic Gods do.

None of that proves they affected anything beyond the surface world.
Post the quote where the Sephiroth is specifically mentioned.
 
Paxton

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You're acting like the Kabbalah is some obscure niche shit for specific magic in the series when it's the literal foundation of the cosmology and lore.

Angel Fall, anyone?

Bringing down a higher being from a higher sephirah which is only possible because of the attack on the Sephiroth that Coronzon mentions in late NT?

You fundamentally don't understand how this series works.
 
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I just realized what was happening and I refuse to be part of that SB bottomless pit.

I refuse to spend pages and ages arguing about the power level of a character.

Hell no
 
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Masterblack06 said:
I dont need to impress you I just need you to not downplay what is happening to mere "magic missles"
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And can’t be quantified
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And reality is still being protected, barely, by the clockwork city
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A feat for the tower; and not the Neverarine and all the more reason why he lasted in a fight along with everything else.
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The fact you think weaponized math is simple magic missles.
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You’re still not answering my question. Explain to me why in your words it’s so great.
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The range that affects the entire setting considering its World Refusals absolutely buttfucked time across all existence and lead to the dawn of a new era within TES
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But still has the effects on the battlefield I mentioned above, I.e. not instantly yeeting everything from existence at once thanks to being held back
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What are you talking about. You said that they were just like a weakened Vivic and I said that Vivec claimed the Nerevarine could kill him. I didnt do a 180 on anything this entire time.
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You went from bringing up Nerevarine compares to Vivec to saying he’d kill Vivec. What ever are Vivec’s feats anyway?
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Nerevarine fought Numidium and didnt instantly get yeeted from the narrative
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Because of a clock tower protecting him and even the ordinary land from not getting instantly yeeted and a mecha doing the fighting for him. Next.
Masterblack06 said:
Never said it erased the imperial city, I pointed out that even landing near the city deleted the white gold tower instantly. This other information about the Numidium fucking up time is lore about the Numidium that shit happened elsewhere during the same event where he absolutely rocked all the gods shit
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Read above.
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Never said he scaled, I mentioned, from the start, that the Nerevarine fought him

For some reason people seem to think that if someone says "hey person a fought person b" that MUST imply the person is attempting to scale. I can't just be describing a situation where someone didnt immediately get fucked
NAH "Masterblack has to be attempting to scale Nerevarine to Numidium even though he mentioned multiple times that the Numidium won and beat people stronger than the Nerevarine already"

inb4 "oh your trying to do a 180"
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So there’s no real argument to be made here since again, there was a lot of outside factors helping Neravarine including not even fighting the Numidium with his own power at that.
Paxton said:
Coronzon's entire existence and plan proves they actually exist. Are you being willfully obtuse?

I never once disputed that phases exist within the Sephiroth.

The Four Worlds aren't represented by four different phases, do you have ANY idea how this series works?
Or how the Kabbalah works at it's core?
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Citation needed.
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Othinus didn't destroy the religious phases because numerous quotes exist stating that Magic Gods are limited to the surface world and the fact that Dainsleif calamities, literal mock imitations of actual phase beings in said religious phases..

Can destroy the "world" just like Magic Gods do.
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Quote saying she destroyed everything says otherwise. The only confined exception was the one Phase remaining the Magic Gods were in

Try again

Paxton said:
You're acting like the Kabbalah is some obscure niche shit for specific magic in the series when it's the literal foundation of the cosmology and lore.

Angel Fall, anyone?

Bringing down a higher being from a higher sephirah which is only possible because of the attack on the Sephiroth that Coronzon mentions in late NT?
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It’s all worthless fluff from Kamachi referencing
real life Kabbalah
 
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