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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

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Idk. to be fair. Sealed Toshiro had problems with fraccion.
Yeah that's a feat for Shawlong, not some kind of gotcha. :smh

It's also not even that weird given other feats, as 20% is 5x less power, which is the minimum difference between Shikai and Bankai and we know Toshiro has the lowest difference between those among the Captains. Ergo Sealed Bankai Toshiro is pretty much = Unsealed Shikai Toshiro who also couldn't anything to Base Yammy (an Espada) a month later without his Bankai.

The seal cuts a Bankai's worth of power from the individual, which obviously IS a lot but nowhere near as much as these people pretend it does. Especially when we're talking about high or top tiers that are beyond everything below them to ludicrous degrees.
Isshin is for sure stronger than Toshiro, but still in shikai and at 20% he shouldn't be very strong either.
Base Isshin is at minimum equal to Aizen (by feats he's actually stronger barring Kyouka Suigetsu), for whom all the Espada are fodder, not to mention damaging Cocoon Aizen and being peers with Yoruichi and Urahara who are later able to fight an Elite Nazi and push him to full power. For the record, the guy who neg-diffed Mask at his best (RG Renji), is a complete non-issue for Elites at full power.

The difference between these guys and the Espada, or even Mask at full power (let alone only 1 cheer) is absurd. Especially given it wasn't even fully 20% of Isshin as he actually used Shikai against White where he didn't against Aizen, ergo he was at more than 20% when fighting White.

So yes a 20% Isshin is still going to be ridiculously strong by most standards.
White is not losing to 1 Cheer Mask.
 
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I don't agree with the premise, lol. I agree Taro could bust the Moon. I also don't think the Uchiha can bust the Moon. I still think the Uchiha are stronger than Taro. I'm not like, "arguing" here. If you want to know why I think this I've written probably literally tens of thousands of words on the topic already and I don't care to write thousands more in an extremely hostile environment wherein I'm sure about 1% of its users could understand what I'm talking about anyways (and if they did, they'd complain it's too long). If you can explain to me what you think I believe and why I believe it I would be willing to engage here, because this would at least demonstrate I don't have to overcome the initial gap of "I think tiers are fake and not all fiction should be held to the same standard".
Not here to start another debate or whatever, but what feats do the Uchiha have that make them stronger than Saiyan saga characters (Taro is basically one)?

For as much flak DB gets for their physical strength (their strength feats are really not as low as people pretend they are), Naruto has even worse physical feats
 
Luke was pretty weak in Empire Strikes Back. Even mid-TCW Ahsoka probably could’ve taken him. By the end of the series she definitely would have.
Vader was fucking around the entire fight and then when Luke landed a serious hit on that fucking around Vader he angrily ended the duel in 3 moves. He’s probably not weak by bog standard Jedi terms, but he didn’t do anything that gives him scaling to any notable characters.
Dude who actually landed a hit on Darth fucking Vader (serious or not) and subsequently made Vader take him seriously to actually end the fight....is pretty weak/doesn't scale to anyone notable? :whatisthis

Did people just suddenly forget how stupid strong Vader is even when he is fucking around? Even managing what Luke did is more than most characters would accomplish last I checked.
 


HP has anti conceptual properties given what its made of.

Wat?

He can see through blindfolds yeah, but not behind him given how Kenjaku surprised him. And Toji. Barring the argument that he becomes like, literally blind to human sized objects when tired.

It's made of imaginary / virtual mass, and Yuki ignored a conceptual ability since she imbued the same stuff into a curse she kicked.

Someone tell this man that's not how Virtual/Imaginary Mass works, let alone comparing it to Yuki's ability and forgetting she didn't ignore the conceptual ability, she just blew through it before it happened.
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To the average sorcerer in JJK, Sukuna's Cleaves would be exactly as invisible and seemingly capable of spawning on the target as the Void's shadow transmutation. What are you trying to say? That we know a lot more about one ability than the other? That's exactly the reason why you can't say anything either way about whether Void's attacks.

Void's attacks having travel time is an assumption, yes, but it's the default assumption for any attack you see. Lacking travel time, spawning on target, etc. are all properties that need to be demonstrated via feats or statements.

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Bro, how dumb are these users, goddamn
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it really impresses me how JJK tards can just add shit to the characters skill set , like the whole ''Hollow purple erase matter'' was a fanon that lasted for years until it was revealed its just a strong attack that explodes.
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the matter erasure was mainly down to a translation error that just had more significance than anybody could have realized at the time


"Hollow Purple is a conceptual attack" is just nonsense though lmao
 
It wasn't an error. Iirc it's was deliberate because the guy knew "imaginary" mass was more powerful than the "virtual" mass.
I thought TCB/fan group were the ones who issued a correction and it was the official TL that made the error of calling it imaginary instead of virtual?
 
I thought TCB/fan group were the ones who issued a correction and it was the official TL that made the error of calling it imaginary instead of virtual?

Nope, it's well known that fangroups for JJK tended to lie wholesale about the Official Translation more often than not and will deliberately fudge it to make abilities of certain characters or otherwise stronger than they are.
We literally had this when like a week or two ago, they tried acting like Sukuna truly feared Kashimo and had to off him instantly to not die when Gege actually stated that Sukuna was just being wary and nothing else.
 
Nope, it's well known that fangroups for JJK tended to lie wholesale about the Official Translation more often than not and will deliberately fudge it to make abilities of certain characters or otherwise stronger than they are.
We literally had this when like a week or two ago, they tried acting like Sukuna truly feared Kashimo and had to off him instantly to not die when Gege actually stated that Sukuna was just being wary and nothing else.


tcb translator was the one who stated imaginary mass was a mistranslation as far as I can find
 

Only gilgamesh can deal consistently with Doom And Ryoh. Heracles can try some stuff but he doesn't have the Ap to damage those 2 the rest of the servants are not really able to to deal with Ryoh beam spam and 70% Doom.
But if this is on teams then the mages stomp no servant in the war can deal with a Ryoh, Doom Tag team unless Gil pulled Ea immediately for some reason.

Yeah sure, ONLY Gilgamesh when they included "series feats"...


Haven't finished Samurai Remannt
Yamato Takeru tends to be seen as Japanese King Arthur and their NP should be on the level of Kusanagi

Miyabi gets fucking destroyed despite being the most powerful character ZZZ currently has.
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tcb translator was the one who stated imaginary mass was a mistranslation as far as I can find


If they did, the fandom sure as shit still believes it's Imaginary or has the same effect.
 
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