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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Masterblack06 said:
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Im upset you took me and Xho meming seriously. I even threw a grug meme in there just in case
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Not seriously so much as bored :maybe

Also a half blind old man, I miss things nowadays outside my immediate field of view :hm
 
Qinglong said:
Episode G is a canon/official work, it still needs to be looked over again because I already know powerscalers connected to VSB were trying to gatekeep scans of the series
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Episode G is the same thing as Dragon ball GT, an official product but not canon for the main one.
 
No

Kurumada himself said in interviews he not only came up with the concept of G but compared it to Lucas creating the Phantom Menace

he handed it over because he was too busy

The work you're thinking of which is an official product but not part of the main timeline is Lost Canvas.
 
Qinglong said:
No

Kurumada himself said in interviews he not only came up with the concept of G but compared it to Lucas creating the Phantom Menace

he handed it over because he was too busy

The work you're thinking of which is an official product but not part of the main timeline is Lost Canvas.
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An then he creates Zero and Next Dimension , two works that invalidate G as a prequel/sequel since they contradicts the story writen by Kurumada.
The Episode G agenda is one the most annoying things when one tries to know/calc the power level in the franchise.
 
both ND and Ep G are listed by the sites/magazines that publish them as his works

and seeing how both series involve/deal with changes to and alternate timelines that isn't proof by itself it's no longer canon without an official statement

Bruh the "Episode G agenda" is what I already said in my first post. The raw scans are being gatekept, not that the series itself is non canon.
 

Okay, if you're just like readily admitting that had you been born in a different time period you would not just "be ambivalent on" or "remain neutral about" the existence of germs and the majority of the universe, but would actively disbelieve these things, does this not like... raise any alarm bells in your head? That perhaps the kind of rationality you're preaching here is like, total ass at producing true beliefs about the world?

Like, if I was an immortal born 10,000 years ago and I'd remained not just cautiously curious about every single scientific discovery in history, but rather I consciously disbelieved in them, I would not then go and fold my arms before declaring myself a paragon of rationality lol. I'd be kind of an idiot. This would be a pretty stupendous failure rate on my part, and also indicative of a system that produces no working knowledge.

Of course the obvious thing here is just that the system you're working under isn't rational, and rather seems to be falling into a common rationalist trap of assuming that your intuition is the null hypothesis (a very irrational thing to do).

As said before, the "correct" position here is agnosticism. It may or may not travel, and because it's not seen we do not know.

If we were cavemen at the beginning of time, it would not be "more rational" to say "the Sun comes up just because it does, and when it the day gets warmer when it does for no reason other than because the Sun is out". Even the ancient Chinese knew that it was stupid to say "fires are hot when you're near them because they're just hot", because that's not an actual explanation for it, it's just the observation (this is the key error you're making). So they came up with the hypothesis of qi and said fire emits that. Furthermore, they also that it travels, and they said this in spite of the fact that they could not observe qi because it was invisible. Now, they were wrong, but they were closer to being right than the guy saying "it's just hot simply because, and I'll believe this until we make direct measurements of infrared radiation in about 5000 years".

And, to be clear, this is the argument you're making. You're supposing that because we don't see anything we should suppose that nothing there exists. But then like, what are we even saying Sentry does? Sentry raises his hand, nothing comes out of his body, the nothing travels no distance, and when the nothing that traveled no distance in no time hits the person he was pointing at (what's hitting them???) they disappear because of reasons.

This is not only a flagrant violation of every single scientific law to ever exist, it's a violation of like, basic philosophical principles of cause and effect. I certainly find this a lot more questionable as a method of logic and reasoning than like... "Sentry emits an unknown form of radiation, which appears instant because it travels at the speed of light and that's how causality works under relativity. This then hits the target and causes them to vanish, perhaps through a portal similar to many seen in the MCU". Hell even the joking "space gnomes cause it to happen" idea seems more likely than that.

Of course, though, the reason I think this is more likely is because I'm working on precedent. The precedent that, you know, all phenomena in the universe traverse distance over time. The fact that most phenomena in the universe is produced through forms of energy, the majority of which are outside of the visible spectrum. The fact that within the MCU there is already precedent for invisible, exotic phenomena that definitely take time to reach places.

(And, on a meta level, the fact that we're pitting the MCU against a series where all supernatural phenomena literally take the form of invisible, selectively tangible masses of energy that would also appear to behave exactly like Void if they were seen from the average person's PoV)

Conversely, in spite of that precedent I still believe it's plausible that Sentry's powers don't travel. Why? Because of aesthetic, vibes, and general tropes that I've absorbed through superhero media. None of these forms of precedent exist in-universe, and are on an "objective" level irrational reasons to hold this belief. But at least I'm not pretending that "because it looks intuitively true to me" is somehow like, actually secretly how science works!

To go over this again, in a completely neutral environment where we're blank slate observers who know nothing about the universe, then any given hypothesis may be true or untrue from our perspective. The correct option here is not to reject all hypotheses, but rather be uncertain about them because we have no "Bayesian priors".

As more is discovered about the world (radiation exists, many forces in the universe are invisible, our eyes are not capable of perceiving things that occur in very short timeframes, objects only change when forces act upon them, and forces are tangible or otherwise measurable over time and distance), we update those priors to give rough % chances that any given claim is true. "Purple monkeys make your TV work" is going to rank a very low %, in spite of the fact that I can't technically disprove it (and indeed even if I never bother to check).

Conversely, if I was alive in the 1500s and someone showed me a glowing green rock that made people sick, I would not say "actually there's no forces acting here at all, because I can't see them, and they seem instant and seem to go through walls, so actually it just makes people sick as like a correlative thing and there's no real causative materialistic action going on". I would say "wow that's a mysterious glowing green rock" and assume it has a deadly misama or something. I'd be wrong, but I'd be closer to being right than the first guy!

If you want to argue that Void's powers "look similar to Mister Fantastic's translocator" (which I also believe covers distance, albeit through other dimensions) and that based on that established precedent we might assume his don't travel either- great. But that isn't the argument you were making. The argument you were making was "because we don't see anything here, we should toss out all known scientific phenomena and assume this is some nearly acausal, space and time circumventing attack, and for some reason this seems easier to assume to me than 'it's just invisible'".
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What extremely long and completely logical posts to just say.

"No, it works that way because I want it that way."


It's a strange situation, on the one hand, Chiefs are losing everywhere except the third round, but on the other hand...
Chief can draw on all canon Halo games, novels, and animated shorts for his feats. Metal Gear Ray draws on Revengeance plus earlier Metal Gears for its showings.
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Does this mean that Chief can be compared to 1337? It's certainly not a completely canonical series, but still?
 
shiny said:


What extremely long and completely logical posts to just say.

"No, it works that way because I want it that way."


It's a strange situation, on the one hand, Chiefs are losing everywhere except the third round, but on the other hand...

Does this mean that Chief can be compared to 1337? It's certainly not a completely canonical series, but still?
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How the fuck did I know this shit was Xcanos ass without even clicking the link

Man is allergic to just speaking like a fucking normal person.

He has to be on some section of the spectrum cause god damn
 
Xcano was told he talked too much once and he took that personally

He's also under the belief that if he says enough words that he thinks sound smart, people will believe he is and thus be afraid to disagree

Unfortunately he's talking about a franchise where-in people can directly interfere with the fabric of reality with their minds and thus his needlessly verbose silliness has no meaning :skully
 
CrossTheHorizon said:
Xcano was told he talked too much once and he took that personally

He's also under the belief that if he says enough words that he thinks sound smart, people will believe he is and thus be afraid to disagree

Unfortunately he's talking about a franchise where-in people can directly interfere with the fabric of reality with their minds and thus his needlessly verbose silliness has no meaning :skully
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He forces people to bow out of debates by trying to drown them in fucking nonsense

its fucking sad
 
Masterblack06 said:
How the fuck did I know this shit was Xcanos ass without even clicking the link

Man is allergic to just speaking like a fucking normal person.

He has to be on some section of the spectrum cause god damn
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That honestly comes from Spacebattles because there are so many past and present debaters that will dump whole ass articles that all ultimately line up to jack and shit under any real scrutiny that no one will really tackle because it's just too fucking long to get into.
 
Background Character said:
He always seems to add an infinite amount of assumptions to anything he doesn't like, making it far more complex than it needs to be.
I think he was trying to reinvent how Ki works in a Dragon Ball thread, something involving the air or atmosphere?
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Bro that was THE dumbest argument from anyone ive ever seen

and I had to debate someone arguing that escanor was 30 feet tall
 
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