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No, that is one of the three blows that I said Saber performed in that fight. Huh? I'm talking about Medea's physical ability compared to Heracles', not anything else. He was completely defeated afterwards, so I consider it a one shot.

Artoria remained on the defensive for nearly the entirety of the fight, gauging his power and waiting to see how he would play his hand with his Noble Phantasm. When she began her counterattack she literally defeated Angra in three blows, two to destroy his weapons and the third to one shot him. And one of the things about Angra is that he can become a "top-class Servant" for the last few seconds before burning out by ignoring his limits and increasing his speed endlessly. I can assure you that the difference in strength between Medea and Heracles is indeed THAT high.

I never claimed that Calvaria Star specifically can defeat Arcueid, I said Ciel in general can.

Bazett can use runes to enhance herself and her clothes, why would you think that's not an advantage in a fight? And Fragarach even without The Answerer function is still a D or C rank Noble Phantasm, which is stated to be a bother for even Cu Chulainn if he cannot retaliate with his own NP.

Dude, I literally said that Wodime beat a Servant OUTSIDE the Atlantic Lostbelt. Also, Wodime wasn't even connected to the Fantasy Tree at all, much less it amping his stats. No, he's not. He's a Pride level magus, below the ranks of Brand and Grand. Still stronger than Cursed Arm Hassan, who is the strongest Servant we know for a fact Kirei at his prime can beat. No, because the Dead Apostles in Fate/Zero are weaker than in Tsukihime. Also Noel's Mystic Eyes would stomp Kirei anyway.

I can't believe you talk about FGO while not even being able to differentiate between a light novel and a visual novel. FGO is the visual novel that is the least written by Nasu, that is one of the exceptions that you actually seem to consume. Shirou wasn't nearly killed dozens of times by Kirei at all. Kirei's attacks also just ignored his body of swords and directly damaged his innards. I do not have to suscribe to that idea to recognize the fact that fucking Cursed Arm Hassan is no match for True Ancestors and Divine Spirits, unlike Dead Apostle Ancestors. Wodime literally beats a Servant in FGO outside of the Atlantic Lostbelt. Zouken in his prime is stated to be able to defeat a Servant with good conditions, he also killed Kojiro in HF. Touko is said to be able to defeat Faker in Cases of Lord El-Melloi II. I never said Rank I Dead Apostle, that doesn't even exist. Vampires are not even Dead Apostles until Rank 6. And we know it's that rank because in Fate worlds the...

That's rich coming from the guy that has admitted to not having read a single of Nasu's novels. Ciel's demonstrated feats and scaling put her above Kirei at his prime. Kirei at his prime isn't even that much stronger than Kirei in FSN. He needs 10 Command Spells to defeat the weakest Servant in the 5th Holy Grail War, Cursed Arm Hassan. He can only defeat Servants that don't specialize in hand to hand combat like Assassins and Casters, needing good conditions like pride and suitability to defeat Servants that do specialize in H2H combat. His best objective feat is being compared to a basic ass Dead Apostle in combat ability. Ciel has killed 4 Dead Apostle Ancestors. Ancestors are unfathomably stronger than basic ass Dead Apostles. DA's as a whole are stronger in Tsukihime than in Fate due to the Human Order being stronger in Fate worlds. Ancestors are now even stronger in the lore because they have Idea Blood, their special superpower they get from being an Ancestor, whereas...

That statement was made in 2010, so it's about the OG Ciel, the one from 2000, not the one from the Tsukihime remake in 2021. The last volume of Fate/Zero being from 2007. And Bazett herself is no match for Ciel. Not to mention the statement of Kirei being stronger than Bazett was made not taking weapons or magecraft into account.

@Xhominid the Fool So Kirei is in fact fodder to the stronger members of the Church. How are you gonna cope out of this dude?