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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

    Depends on the dnd character, the edition, the writer, and the story they're telling. Again I don't understand what your issue is? I pointed out ainz has many spells that don't often get a chance to shine and stated why (Poorly thought out/bad debates). I pointed out why I felt the argument about killing powerful monsters was a flawed one/one that invites wanking of overlord (Like I said I don't subscribe to the idea anything in overlord should be scaled to the world eater) You just seem to hate overlord and disparage it for being weaker/worse then dnd, which is valid but I don't really see how it's relevant at this point as the discussion was more focused on ainz one trick nature in vs debate settings which isn't due to a lack of spells (in the course of the novels he uses over 115 of his 700 spells and innumerable magical items,) but the result of poor debating/ill thought out match ups that result in ainz instantly dying or instantly killing his enemy.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

    He used an example of them fighting island destroying monsters in the original comment I quoted, I simply pointed out using that same logic ainz and coe fought a monster that ate worlds. It wasn't a strong argument/statement on it's own as if your taking the stance that adventurers can damage/kill these super op monsters which makes them strong, then ainz is capable of harming and killing with teamwork a dragon that ate worlds. Id also argue that heavily depends on the edition of dnd your using, what ruleset your following and what dungeon master is preceding over your campaign. That's neither here nor there though Also read the statement Im quoting? His complaint is explicitly why death magic and time stop are such center pieces of ainz debates if he's versatile/has other spells, I pointed out why thats the case. It's quite simply bad debates where nothing else is relevant because ainz either instantly dies or kills them with his first moves.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

    I mean it's lower then specailized spell caster focusing on dps but he wasn't exactly lagging behind by a huge margin, he beat many players who had stronger builds. Because they're the first moves and a lot of characters don't make it past that point? Or the foes he's up against are so op only death hax and tgoalid can possibly save him (Bad match ups) It's rare ainz is put against someone on his level that resist all his hax, and when he is it usually leads to an interesting discussion. Ive seen nuclear blast, negative energy, paralysis, summons (of demons, angels, elementals, and undead), soul burning fire, invisibility, charm/mind control, damage negation, greater rejection ect come up in debates where it's not a complete stomp for either side. There are also many utility spells aren't that useful in a fight, creating castles/items, anti divination spells, divination, resurrection, species changing items, wish ect aren't that useful in white room esq scenarios.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

    Er ainz was in the upper mid tier of players overall, there are far more players worse at the game then there are players better at it then ainz. His build was poor for over all dc but traded it for versatility and mana. The reason those are discussed is because timestop and grasp heart/death spell are test ainz preforms, anyone on his level in his own verse would be completely immune to those moves, anyone worth ainz time would resist. Tgoalid is his ultimate move and fallen down is simply a super tier spell. Ainz has many more spells though I assume that winds up a focus as we know fallen down isn't enough to one shot a level 100 and tgoalid is basically the last resort for any type of win. That or its anime onlies where the fights got rather cut down.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

    ? Not sure I get your point? He was using the monsters level twenties can beat to extrapolate their strength/power, I simply pointed out if you use that logic overlord has it's own world eating monster that is beatable by players. To be clear I don't think scaling overlord characters to the world eater is the right thing to do/shouldn't be used to extrapolate any planet busting nonsense, just pointing out the logic used isn't the soundest as it invites similar arguments be done with overlord.
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

    By that same logic level 100 players can beat a world eating dragon
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    Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

    Il never understand the need to wank ainz to some ludicrous degree, especially against a setting like rwby. Like being 100% accurate to what he does in the books/show he outclasses everything short of the god brothers without needing to make crap up.
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