I'm not going to go jump on the guy when everyone else did... but looking at HOW he reached that conclusion truly doesn't just give me SB vibes, it honestly feels like it exceeds it.
You, at first, only use works created by Kinoko Nasu only... which honestly wouldn't matter because at this point, whoever writes a Fate series would be doing it with Nasu's blessing ANYWAY(We've known that since Narita, a person whose series you tried to use anyway, didn't make Enkidu overpowered, Nasu did and explicitly told him to go balls out and he'll address it later). Even WHEN the author doesn't want to do that(The Prisma Illya Author explicitly didn't want to have the series tied to the overall multiverse seriously... Nasu basically shat on that and the author basically just went with it) which means from the very start, your position is ruined(As for example, Nasu uses what we learned in Kagetsu Tohya about "True Chaos" and applied it to the Grail Mud/Primordial Sea in Babylonia which is why we have Large Planetary+ for the Grail Mud)
Secondly, you use the quite frankly shitty parameter system which has been, what torn apart because most of the time the stats never reflect the actual power or speed we've seen Servants do(Raikou literally has a D-Rank Agility as a Berserker, yet she still is able to not only fight multiple Servants at once in Onigashima, but 2 of them was Kotaro Fuuma and Ushiwakamaru, whose Agility would be A++ territory), this ALSO ignores in the Nasuverse, Noble Phantasms would be the equivalent of the same rank plus 3 ranks above that(A C Rank Noble Phantasm = A-A+ Strength) which wouldn't make sense with the amount of damage and power we see from Servants even in F/SN(Heracles can effortlessly wreck a Mountain when he fights Salter with the amount of power he's putting into attacks) let alone later works(Fergus can literally destroy Plateaus with just his Noble Phantasm clashing against Hektors from far away yet Hektor, who has seen Heracles fight, outright states that Heracles is vastly stronger).
(This is a common theme as Fergus wants to prove he's superior to Heracles throughout his appearances in Turas Realta America)
Or the fact that Karna and Arjuna not even using their Noble Phantasm, basically destroyed the Grand Canyon, basically making it disappear from the map:
Or Fergus would endanger the entire Continent with his TNR Caladbolg:
Hell, this is a Common MOOK in FGO and Nightingale utterly destroys it in one punch:
Now what does that have to do have to do with Servant Speed? I have LONG, LONG....LONG addressed that:
Alright, I fully finished Ivan The Terrible's section alongside the Oprinchnki since it's ultimately just another of his Noble Phantasms and added in some extras I may have missed and changed some stuff around. I actually plan on adding LB Anastasia next as I actually forgot that LB1 did give...
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I'm legit getting a little peeved people ignore this as I even address the "low speed" argument people have constantly used... despite Nasu and other writers long since writing down the problems Servants have:
Moving on to the next parts:
Belleophron only at 500KMPH, V-Max, Kingu's 500KMPH, Lobo moving at 200KMPH-300KMPH, etc. Okay now we get to the real fun stuff and we all have seen it from various threads in other sites:
The numbers that have been consistently stated of how fast characters can go... and I'm here to tell you... that's a bunch of bullshit!
Like the above, I WILL go further into this with the actual debunking but I will point out the major misconceptions and issues that come with these:
Chief among them is how nonsensical the reasoning is... when if we use those speeds, it immediately falls apart the second we go back to Fate/Zero, well before Extra/Extella and FGO:
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However, there was no need to feel anxious. It was true that a Servant’s dexterity was far above that of the V-Max in terms of maximum acceleration and maximum speed. However, this iron beast could maintain its speed as long as there was fuel left. If she was expecting a drawn-out pursuit, then the motorcycle would be very advantageous.
Servants, even back then, was capable of moving FASTER than those recorded speeds... the problem always is with the very last bit:
However, this iron beast could maintain its speed as long as there was fuel left. If she was expecting a drawn-out pursuit, then the motorcycle would be very advantageous
For long, drawn out pursuits, i.e. Mana problems
Now then, can Servants consistently move at Lightspeed/FTL? No... but in most VS. Battles, that wouldn't matter and it would be ultimately pointless.
But we LONG have proof of things like Servants having zero issues with Lightning based attacks of any standing:
And this isn't even the only time she refers to her Mana Burst as Lightning but at this point, when you know that Magecraft simply recreates known phenomena to their exact specifications, you realize how many Servants and even Mages can usually deal with Lightning no problem:
the underlings release lightning magecraft enhanced by the abilities of the weather magecraft and Svin reacts and counters: "He jumped.Even so, the attackers responded as appropriate.At once, they released the magecraft they had been holding back. Though the lightning they released was no more than a One Count spell, thanks to the enhancing effects of the Weather Manipulation, it should have had no issue tearing apart their unlucky opponent.But instead, the hand one of them had extended forward vanished.
In the same way as his teeth had become fangs, Svin's fingernails had likewise become razorlike claws."
Altrum fires an electrical construct with the speed of lightning and Svin counters "And so they gained control of a power considered to be entirely within the realms of the gods in any number of ancient lands. Utilizing that power, they accrued tremendous prosperity. And of course, in having access to that power, spells that manipulated the weather came only a few steps later.
"Gush Out."
With those words, the electricity became an enormous hand.
The speed with which it attacked was on par with that of lightning.
Powering through the resistance in the air as if it was nothing, in the blink of an eye it struck out at the boy.
In answer, the phantasmal wolf roared.
Both were techniques overflowing with magical energy. Lightning and Sound..."
Altrum uses a stronger technique to summon a lightning dragon with speed on the level of the previous attack and Svin blitzes the attack and reaches the top of the trees "Drawing forth many times the amount of magical energy he had used earlier through his Magic Circuits, he activated his Crest while pouring it into the Battery. The spell bought by the Galiasta family converted that magical energy into lightning with the utmost efficiency.
It was like a dragon.
Anyone looking at that scene would surely be able to envision the jaws of that terrible creature opening wide before him.
Brooking no attempts at flight, the lightning-born dragon soared forward to swallow Svin - who disappeared a moment before contact.
With a speed no human's eyes could follow, Svin leapt away.Scattering branches and trunks like pinball, the gathered magi cried out in surprise as Svin fell like a shooting star, claws aiming straight for Atram's head."
Touko Aozaki, is able to keep up with Svin and cast magic quickly enough to stop his full strength/speed lunge at Altram. "In an instant, Svin reached out with the back leg of his illusion, leaping back to a nearby tree, slightly changing his posture in the air.
Having avoided the electric net Atram had put in place for him, he cycled his magical energy around to prepare to tear him apart. Even if he was going to use a thin layer of electricity to defend himself, all he had to do was tear through it. And so he had swung down with all his might.
But at that moment, a powerful impact hit him from the side, blowing him away entirely. Wrenching himself free of his illusionary body, Svin had just barely managed to land upright.
It wasn't something Atram had done. The proof of that was that the electric net was torn apart yet again, prompting a shocked reaction from the dark skinned man himself.
(...what was that?!)
Though obscured by the rain and darkness, from the middle of the forest emerged a bright scarlet.
As that lone figure approached, everything went immediately quiet.
"...hey now," the figure spoke. "Aren't you guys going a bit overboard with the magecraft here?" As if that was some trouble for her, the woman smiled."
Would probably mean since Servants >>> Humans, the fucking scale between them would be... obviously huge considering Atrum couldn't do anything to Medea whatsoever.
Everyone already touched on the numerous laser feats we have(GalahadMash blocking and dodging lasers, Odysseus and Circe practically having to dance around them and how Virgin Palladin Laser was used as an upfront attack against Gawain who was able to block it or Dioscuri literally being a Lightspeed Show as a Servant yet no one has any real issue dealing with them outside the first time and how Castor needed FTL to get past Mash.
Like your scaling is really bad, like childishly bad and it really, REALLY shows why this type of shit should never fly in an actual debating board. Because if we go by the same standards, DBZ wouldn't even be Planetary because very few Planets are ever blown up outside of TOEI DBZ, Shadow Hearts would basically be City level, American Superhero Comics? HA! And so on and so forth. So many series might as well be shit level by the same standards you are applying to Fate right now.
