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r s going for that speed record of the most retarded shit I have seen from someone arguing against Fate

3.5 times weaker? What? It would be over 7 times weaker since it didn't kill him at all. Many many times over 7.

You don't understand how pressure waves work. Everything within that 4 kilometer radius would, at a minimum, have shattered windows and cracked wood. Closer ranges would have worse but that's besides the point. If the city was inside of the blast radius, every single window and every single material would be damaged in some way.

Now, let's think for a moment. Which is more impressive. Lightly shaking something from kilometers away or massively damaging it? It's the latter.

HANGING GARDENS OF BABYLON IS LITERALLY A FUCKING NOBLE PHANTASM! THE ENTIRE FUCKING CITY IS A NOBLE PHANTASM!
The fuck type of stupid shit is this!? And "lightly shaken" when the narration seen it as violently shaken as it's being through an earthquake:
An impact ran through the ground beneath them from the bottom of the gardens. The whole gardens trembled violently as if affected by an earthquake.

And secondly, Heracles deflected the Weakened Excalibur and Illya outright said it would have still killed him. That's the whole point of why Heracles would just no sell certain shit but then deflect shit that could hurt him. We've seen this in the VN and the Anime, even in FGO, we canonically only killed him like 2 times(and one of them wasn't even from the group) and he otherwise just blew through everything else without a care.

So it's a bomb that's shaped like a cylinder which is moving super fast. Wonder what thats like. Nitpicks aside, I'm essentially arguing that the kinetic energy propelling the sword-arrow doesn't scale to the big boom.

This is some of the most retarded reach that I have ever seen...

Yep, it's "just a bomb in a cylinder moving super fast". Just ignore everything that is said about Broken Phantasms ever.
Fate/kaleid liner PRISMAILLYA 3rei Volume 2 p123 said:
Broken Phantasm

The Noble Phantasm is changed into an arrow and fired in an explosion attack. It is a disposable bomb that merely uses the magical energy contained within the Noble Phantasm to explode. It is the worst possible insult for a Noble Phantasm to be used this way. As long as there is magical energy Noble Phantasms can be projected. This is a foul play unique to this Heroic Spirit.

Here, Broken Phantasm exposition (that's what EMIYA did to Herakles with Caladbolg II)

And considering that Noble Phantasms need alot of energy in the first place, that wasn't just a "typical bomb".

The difference between a normal Excalibur and the one he deflected is arguably great enough that it can't be used as evidence for anything really.

There's no difference between an attack that could completely destroy all of his lives except one and a weakened one that can only take 1....
Wow, there's no difference at all!
vs Excalibur

Here, Herakles has an instinct like Artoria, it tells him to engage Artoria without being in perfect condition, without having regenerated all 12 of his lives, would be a bad idea if she's recovered enough to use Excalibur (for it's power, look here). Here, Illya corroborates as much (as she's a Master, she should be able to tell via analysis of their stats and abilities).

Idiot...
 
the obd tf respect thread is actually very helpful, one of the best obd respect threads of the past years

those megaversal zenkais became canon, after all
we had to make up for the fact that the only TF respect threads now are all on quora
 
>Illyas command seals were flashing

Hmmm

She also says that if it were at full power it would've killed him without specifying the amount inspite of the command seal. Not really a good scene for scaling since there's 2 factors that throw it out of "normal" conditions.

Thanks for the scans though man.

1. Illya is the fucking Pseudo-Grail, she doesn't need to use Command Spells

2. Whenever that happens, she is actually forcing Heracles to go full Madness Enhancement and to fucking murder everyone at full power. And yes, that means that every other time we've seen Heracles lose, he was never at full power a single time because even for Illya as the Psuedo-Grail, that shit fucking HURTS

>The unequaled might of Berserker
Nasu: Shaping an event where the player encounters a powerful enemy in the middle of the night can be a bit difficult when the setting is a residential area. Can you imagine heading home one night only to run into a giant, half-naked man standing in your path? You would barely have time to scream "pervert!" before getting crushed under his massive heel. (laughs)That scene hasn't changed at all since old "Fate"... well, I suppose it changed a bit.
Takeuchi: Yeah, because Illya wasn't present in old "Fate". At any rate, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most urban legends thrive on the notion that just about anything can happen in residential neighbourhoods at night.
Nasu: Maybe in Shinjuku. (laughs) If you're playing Saber's route, you encounter Berserker on your way home from the church, on a hill in Miyama town. Rin's route, on the other hand, sees you encountering him in Shinto. The Shinto setting is a little better since it's near the church site, with almost no residential homes in the area.
Takeuchi: Can you imagine seeing a giant like Berserker strolling through a residential zone in a place like Miyama Town?
Nasu: No one saw him strolling! (laughs) He materialised on the spot from his spirit form. But still, I want everyone to imagine what it would be like to come home and see that thing standing in front of your house... That's a total "Yep, my life's over..." moment if I ever heard one.
Takeuchi: I don't know... I doubt most people would even register seeing a sight like that.
Nasu: True enough. I imagine most people would avert their eyes or do whatever they needed to in order to "not notice" something like that. (laughs) In old "Fate", Berserker's master was a slightly psychotic hitman sent in by the Holy Church. But Takeuchi suggested making Berserker's new master a Lolita character, I have to admit I was really excited by the idea.
Takeuchi: Berserker is like a blank state when it comes to his master, isn't he?
Nasu: You could say that. When we crafted the Noble Phantasm God Hand, I knew I didn't want a man who had accomplished such great feats to do anything below his dignity. Among all the summoned Servants, Heracles was a true hero. While Berserker still had a bit of awareness as Heracles, any thoughts he had spinning around in his head were constantly being channeled toward destruction. His new existence was consumed entirely by his Master's commands.
Takeuchi: I do wonder why Einzbern chose the Berserker class for Heracles. I'm pretty sure there was a special spell for the Berserker class, so does that mean it was a conscious choice. With Heracles as the Heroic Spirit, he would have been equally formidable as Saber or Archer.
Nasu: It's probably because Einzbern thinks the Berserker class is the best. When you take into consideration what happened during the previous Holy Grail War, it also makes sense that he might have wanted a pawn who wouldn't be burdened with the distraction of personal thoughts and feelings. I'd guess the selection was a result of Eizbern's notion that both Master and Servant are mere tools and nothing more. With Berserker's God Hand promising victory for 11 battles in old "Fate", and only six other Servants participating in the Holy Grail Wars, it seemed as if Berserker's Noble Phantasm all but guaranteed his victory. This theory was proven wrong in old "Fate" by Gil, who was able to counteract Berserker's God Hand with a Noble Phantasm that guaranteed Gil would survive. Due to the paradox created by a clash between an entity who "cannot lose" and an entity who is "certain to live", Berserker did not technically lose the fight but he did lose his life. When we were working on "stay night", we decided to change God Hand's effect to one that essentially casts a revive spell 11 times. Even with this change though, Berserker is still a pretty overpowered servant.
Takeuchi: That's why Rider was evading him. As with Saber, Rider had a way to kill Berserker for sure in Bellerophon, but she knew that Berserker would kill her as soon as she killed him. Because of this, simply killing Berserker once or twice would not be enough to ensure true victory for Rider.
Nasu: Though they existed at different times in history, Rider was also a Heroic Spirit rooted in Greek mythology, so she knew Berserker was Heracles. Due to this knowledge, one glance at Berserker was enough to tell Rider that she would not be able to defeat him, and she therefore decided to target his Master instead.
Takeuchi: Do the 11 stacks of God Hand recharge over time?
Nasu: Yes, since Illya's prana pool is absolutely ridiculous. If Berserker's Master was instead a mage of common power, they could spend their entire life generating prana and still fail to muster up enough to power even a single revive spell. For this reason, a less formidable master would mean Berserker would have to fight his way through the Holy Grail War with only 11 revivals. Of course, that's still plenty of lives by any standard. With a Master of Illya's caliber, though, Berserker is able to be revived 11 times in a single encounter. On top of that, once Berserker has been wounded by a specific attack, that same attack will not be effective a second time.
Takeuchi: What an annoying ability...
Nasu: Another thing that was briefly mentioned by Rin in Saber's route was the fact that there was a Servant who was said to share its life force with its Master. This was actually a reference to an early concept we had for Berserker. The idea was that Berserker and Illya basically shared a life pool, which essentially meant that targeting Illya instead of Berserk was a futile tactic. As long as Berserker was alive, Illya could not truly be killed. Of course, all logic dictated that Illya and Berserker formed an invincible pair in this case. It didn't take us long to realize that this would completely destroy any semblance of balance in the game, so the idea was ditched. This alteration to Berserker's concept is something that we can reveal now.

Hell, this even appears in FGO and is stated that you have to go even further to fuel his Madness Enhancement and Ritsuka passes out within seconds despite Heracles already being gimped from not having his God Hand even remotely operate at even a quarter of it's capacity.

 
well, based on the wall poster you have on your 2D wall, from months ago



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i have, my good fanboi :mjlol
Aw, i thought i was your best Kouhai :blobcry
 


@OtherGalaxy


:mjlol
im being enlightened by true masters of the hobby
https://www.quora.com/Who-would-win-Galactus-Marvel-Comics-vs-Unicron-Transformers
 
SB has been shown the scan multiple times of the transtech records and the fact it says "known" multiverse

and took that to mean the multiverse was finite

so they just can't read :mjlol
funny thing i realized, and I'm guilty of this too because I overlooked it
but this page has been cited on many forums
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but never this page which is way more impressive and from the exact same comic a couple chapters later
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transformers wasn't even being held back by a lack of feats it's just purely niggas not knowing what to look at
 
in case you guys, forgot, same thing with no aru, in a way, a similar scenario :wow

albino ninger aleister simply had reduced their infinity to a finite state of infinitely finite by encasing their "numbers" in "boxes" which then reduced their infinity from an infinite state to a finitely infinite finite state of finite infiniteness of those universes

why they make it look so difficult?

you need only to have 472 iq, after all
















:mjlol
 
To be fair to the folks in this thread, most agree that Jiren would slap easily, even if there is some obvious To Aru wank in there. :mjlol
 
in case you guys, forgot, same thing with no aru, in a way, a similar scenario :wow

albino ninger aleister simply had reduced their infinity to a finite state of infinitely finite by encasing their "numbers" in "boxes" which then reduced their infinity from an infinite state to a finitely infinite finite state of finite infiniteness of those universes

why they make it look so difficult?

you need only to have 472 iq, after all
















:mjlol

Seriously, that shit broke my brain and might as well be the equivalent of "Fuck it man, they can do anything and everything" but tried to make it even more complicated than anything I have ever heard of.
 
in case you guys, forgot, same thing with no aru, in a way, a similar scenario :wow

albino ninger aleister simply had reduced their infinity to a finite state of infinitely finite by encasing their "numbers" in "boxes" which then reduced their infinity from an infinite state to a finitely infinite finite state of finite infiniteness of those universes

why they make it look so difficult?

you need only to have 472 iq, after all
















:mjlol
:CantTakeIt:
 
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