Sb doesn't lowball so much as is it has a culture of debate and scaling which is alien to many other modern homes of vs debating. Sb descends from the old school and got much of its DNA from the Star Trek vs Star Wars debates of yore. During that time, it was a much more mathematics heavy...
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This post right here symbolizes the absolute fucking worst of their hubris and unearned arrogance:
Sb doesn't lowball so much as is it has a culture of debate and scaling which is alien to many other modern homes of vs debating. Sb descends from the old school and got much of its DNA from the Star Trek vs Star Wars debates of yore. During that time, it was a much more mathematics heavy subject and calculations based on a character's feats and actions were both expected and produced regularly. More so than now, in fact. The people who became big names during this time then influenced future SB debaters and as such set a culture which has persisted to this very day.
*Barely uses any calcs these days*
*Calcs usually ignore basic bitch shit like Kinetic Energy and otherwise*
And it's funny that "much of it's DNA came from Star Trek vs. Star Wars" because it truly points out how they should stick to actual space series(no wait, they shouldn't either considering how hard they downplay Star Wars Tech).
Spacebattles today still demands more evidence for wild conclusions than most anywhere else on the net. Not as much as it used to which I personally think is good, but enough that it still tends to average lower on claims than other sites which aren't so rigorous. the VS battle wiki for instance is often denigrated here because of its tendency to leap to wild conclusions with very little evidence and scale characters far more highly than their situation or role would lead one to expect.
No the fuck you don't and a good look at Overlord and One Punch Man proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. VSB has more people actually looking for evidence than you fucks do, VSB just wanks it to an insane degree until someone slaps it down, if ever but they actually DO have basis for their madness. You legit have people say that Garou is Planetary and FTL despite him not showing the former and the latter is a massive reach of him just being Relativistic and Overlord is just LOL.
Honestly, between the two styles I prefer the Spacebattles one because is is more grounded and debatable. If wild conclusions are allowed it's very easy to end up spinning in circles with someone who refuses to either back down or provide any evidence beyond ''well, they did this once'' without any context or background. In order to accept a given character is a specific power level, Spacebattles requires that they actually make sense being that level. Not only that they have one or two feats which put them in the ballpark you want, but also that it is repeated and that it makes sense for them to have said abilities within their home setting.
1. Pot meet Kettle
2. That's not how that works. Yes, Outliers exist but that's the key problem with immediately jumping on something being an outlier:
If the feat is only done twice, then scaling must ALSO take into effect. Psykos Orochi attack being Continental and shaving off the Planet by the logic must ALSO be an outlier despite that not being the case and WHY going to that extreme is fucking stupid.
This is exactly WHY scaling is fucking important.
Far too many characters are scaled based on outliers that never happen again, and I've seen people who on other sites have ben confidently declared to be city level have trouble with just a few armed guards that they really shouldn't if they truly were all of that.
mmm, it's probably because:
1. You are playing a video game and for balancing purposes, those few armed guards are usually that strong for gameplay/story purposes
2. Those armed guards are actually very goddamned powerful
Power doesn't exist in a vacuum. If you are trying to assign a character to a scale that they have never actually shown - no matter how much theoretically, they totally fit - you should put some thought as to why they never have that power in their home setting.
Um yeah? Power DOES exist in a Vacuum, this is fucking retarded and anti-thetical to a VS. debate, no wonder these jokers get made fun of by VSB. Are they trying to judge this shit by real world standards which doesn't work for fiction(and Real Life has many elements that actually fits most of the shit we know about fiction, crazy enough).