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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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oh cant forget the fact that universes literally are balanced upon Cybertron and if someone manages to destroy a cybertron iteration it does so much damage to the fabric of reality that omniversal things get sucked in and universes start fusing together to try and fix the problem


transformers powerscaling is stupid as hell lmao
Sillier than To Aru scaling even? :mjpls
 

Poor Leon
:hestonpls
 

Pot meet kettle.

Ah the type of debate of

Taking feats of someone on their strongest showed in the series vs feats of someone who just only able to know what he can and can't, and that only a fraction of the full extend

Typical fanboy debater

That's hilarious considering that actually happens so much in Spacebattles and then downplay a series they don't like into the ground.
 
Sillier than To Aru scaling even? :mjpls
profoundly dumber

Transformers is a series of constant retcons completely recontextualizing fiction from decades ago and inflating it to stupidly strong levels by accident, I don't think hardly any of the writers had any clue what they were doing considering some of the earlier feats were presented as universal and ended up getting fleshed out to be hilariously beyond that
 
profoundly dumber

Transformers is a series of constant retcons completely recontextualizing fiction from decades ago and inflating it to stupidly strong levels by accident, I don't think hardly any of the writers had any clue what they were doing considering some of the earlier feats were presented as universal and ended up getting fleshed out to be hilariously beyond that
You know I've been trying to find this mythical Transformers RT you made. 8 pages in MB and can't find it.

You sure it exists?:mjpls
 
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Transformers is a series of constant retcons completely recontextualizing fiction from decades ago and inflating it to stupidly strong levels by accident, I don't think hardly any of the writers had any clue what they were doing considering some of the earlier feats were presented as universal and ended up getting fleshed out to be hilariously beyond that
Is it like Kamachi saying that there is only one universe, but then a few years later saying that there is an infinite multiverse (an infinite number of infinite multiverse)?
 
Is it like Kamachi saying that there is only one universe, but then a few years later saying that there is an infinite multiverse (an infinite number of infinite multiverse)?
You just didn't get what he meant by that smh.

Besides, KAMACHI didn't say it, Kamisato did.
Not to say that he isn't knowledgeable, but sitll.
 

@Stocking Anarchy, @Derpmaster9000 How multiversal is TES? In Chinese myths, the Trichiliocosm should be considered part of the heavens.


Which is a structure of thousands to billions of universes. So it might scale to Wukong.
TES not only has infinite alternate versions of every realm created all the time (should the ruler of said realm wish it to be so), but also infinite levels going up (and possibly also down, going by Clockwork City), each level very explicitly infinitely greater than the last.

However, Dovahkiin doesn't scale to that. The best they get is universal+ (although possibly higher to some degree of multiversal depending on Paarthunax referencing a Dragon Break in relation to Alduin getting banished, and Schick saying that Alduin's return is similar in scope to a Planesmeld or Dragonbreak.
 

SB trying to make the equivilant of a Circus thread is always something to behold
 

Imagine thinking SB's nitpicks & downplay is a valiant virtue

:mjlol

Get your head out of your ass, dude.

I always fucking laugh that an SB'er actually believes they use "critical thinking" to "destroy calcs from other boards" when most of the time, it's just crying that a feat exists they don't like and basically shout it down and have others join it.
There is zero "critical thinking" done in the slightest. There is more critical thinking done in CV and VSB for fuck's sake.

god the fucking ego of that place is what gets me lol

That's why I enjoy having the mods and other people get so fucking pissy with us. They need a legit humbling and people need to realize SB is just straight shit as a Versus Board all things considered as even other VS. Boards see them as just trash pretending they have the actual class and maturity it doesn't have.
 

This post right here symbolizes the absolute fucking worst of their hubris and unearned arrogance:

Sb doesn't lowball so much as is it has a culture of debate and scaling which is alien to many other modern homes of vs debating. Sb descends from the old school and got much of its DNA from the Star Trek vs Star Wars debates of yore. During that time, it was a much more mathematics heavy subject and calculations based on a character's feats and actions were both expected and produced regularly. More so than now, in fact. The people who became big names during this time then influenced future SB debaters and as such set a culture which has persisted to this very day.

*Barely uses any calcs these days*
*Calcs usually ignore basic bitch shit like Kinetic Energy and otherwise*
And it's funny that "much of it's DNA came from Star Trek vs. Star Wars" because it truly points out how they should stick to actual space series(no wait, they shouldn't either considering how hard they downplay Star Wars Tech).

Spacebattles today still demands more evidence for wild conclusions than most anywhere else on the net. Not as much as it used to which I personally think is good, but enough that it still tends to average lower on claims than other sites which aren't so rigorous. the VS battle wiki for instance is often denigrated here because of its tendency to leap to wild conclusions with very little evidence and scale characters far more highly than their situation or role would lead one to expect.

No the fuck you don't and a good look at Overlord and One Punch Man proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. VSB has more people actually looking for evidence than you fucks do, VSB just wanks it to an insane degree until someone slaps it down, if ever but they actually DO have basis for their madness. You legit have people say that Garou is Planetary and FTL despite him not showing the former and the latter is a massive reach of him just being Relativistic and Overlord is just LOL.

Honestly, between the two styles I prefer the Spacebattles one because is is more grounded and debatable. If wild conclusions are allowed it's very easy to end up spinning in circles with someone who refuses to either back down or provide any evidence beyond ''well, they did this once'' without any context or background. In order to accept a given character is a specific power level, Spacebattles requires that they actually make sense being that level. Not only that they have one or two feats which put them in the ballpark you want, but also that it is repeated and that it makes sense for them to have said abilities within their home setting.

1. Pot meet Kettle
2. That's not how that works. Yes, Outliers exist but that's the key problem with immediately jumping on something being an outlier:
If the feat is only done twice, then scaling must ALSO take into effect. Psykos Orochi attack being Continental and shaving off the Planet by the logic must ALSO be an outlier despite that not being the case and WHY going to that extreme is fucking stupid.
This is exactly WHY scaling is fucking important.

Far too many characters are scaled based on outliers that never happen again, and I've seen people who on other sites have ben confidently declared to be city level have trouble with just a few armed guards that they really shouldn't if they truly were all of that.

mmm, it's probably because:
1. You are playing a video game and for balancing purposes, those few armed guards are usually that strong for gameplay/story purposes
2. Those armed guards are actually very goddamned powerful

Power doesn't exist in a vacuum. If you are trying to assign a character to a scale that they have never actually shown - no matter how much theoretically, they totally fit - you should put some thought as to why they never have that power in their home setting.

Um yeah? Power DOES exist in a Vacuum, this is fucking retarded and anti-thetical to a VS. debate, no wonder these jokers get made fun of by VSB. Are they trying to judge this shit by real world standards which doesn't work for fiction(and Real Life has many elements that actually fits most of the shit we know about fiction, crazy enough).
 
the hobby has changed in general, across all forums even us, and skewed towards higher interpretations (besides on SB)

but I think looking at it from the time I joined vs now, roughly 10 years ago (geez) we honestly were just kinda shit at evaluating things and lowballed the fuck out of everything to a fault

why did it take until a few years ago for multiversal TTGL to get accepted when that was in the original show from the beginning? And yet no forum was using that, Galo's research has ended up getting used on other forums and was a basis for VSB's ttgl pages lol

you can apply this to a lot of other series, I think our ability to evaluate a series as a whole, has improved quite bit

SB hasn't changed much since I was a teenager
 
the hobby has changed in general, across all forums even us, and skewed towards higher interpretations (besides on SB)

but I think looking at it from the time I joined vs now, roughly 10 years ago (geez) we honestly were just kinda shit at evaluating things and lowballed the fuck out of everything to a fault

why did it take until a few years ago for multiversal TTGL to get accepted when that was in the original show from the beginning? And yet no forum was using that, Galo's research has ended up getting used on other forums and was a basis for VSB's ttgl pages lol

you can apply this to a lot of other series, I think our ability to evaluate a series as a whole, has improved quite bit

SB hasn't changed much since I was a teenager

That's pretty much true.
In the past(Even in places like GameFAQs VS debates), everyone pretty much lowballed feats and called out feats that didn't seem to make "much sense" at the beginning and stuck with the lowest interpretations possible.
But that has now changed into higher level interpretations being more accepted usually due to how the various series more or less operated on(Not through sight alone but more of director intent and reading through statements that fit that intent like with Castlevania and Dracula being the Dark Lord "opposite to God")
 
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