You know what? I'm feeling in the mood and I want to actually tackle Silentspring's latest rant as not just a Nasu fan... but a FAR bigger Bleach fan who isn't fucking retarded. I'll probably die before I finish this but let's do it, I'm excited:
Yikes. I see Occam's Razor and common sense are not appreciated by all debaters here that truly believe Nasu's hypocrisy. Hax is Hax. It doesn't matter if Goetia or Yhwach can depopulate bazillion quintillion nonillion decillion worth of universes hypothetically. Supposing they are humans...
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Yikes.
I see Occam's Razor and common sense are not appreciated by all debaters here that truly believe Nasu's hypocrisy.
Hax is Hax.
This is the same guy who believes Technology has limits but Magic doesn't... in series in which there's no limit to what Technology can do...
Besides, Hax may be Hax but that doesn't mean Yhwach operates in Planck Instants.
It doesn't matter if Goetia or Yhwach can depopulate bazillion quintillion nonillion decillion worth of universes hypothetically. Supposing they are humans, the Death Note will kill them just fine.
What? No? The Death Note will only kill those who don't have any resistance to death or being able to alter Destny or whatever. This is also ignoring the Death Note ONLY works on Humans.
I repeat the Death Note will kill them JUST. FINE.
No it shouldn't, that's actually extreme wank on the Death Note to do that.
*Insert more retarded takes on believing the Death Note should work in general, no matter if it actually breaks the rules of the Death Note or if the target has Instant Death Resistance or can tell Fate to go fuck off here*
Powerlevel is only relevant in powerscaling metaphysical worlds like Dragon Ball Z where enough Ki will let you shit on anything your lower power level opponents will do to you provided you just don't help them with your own execution, of course.
A classic error of Spacebattlers is to borrow Dragon Ball Z powerscaling mechanics and apply it to everything, especially threads like this where one side has at maximum planetary earthquake level damage dealing kinetic force projection and the other side has 3000 years of human history burning in the form of 1 full Earth's worth of crust transformed into fuel per second in that period of time converted and amassed by a very patient farmer to fuel his time travel to 4.3 billion years back into the past.
Okay, this is a fucking take!... and this is wrong anyway because Bleach and The Nasuverse? Are precisely the same as Dragonball in that powerlevels really do matter(Having more than enough Magical Energy can allow you to brute force shit, that's why Illya, Dark Sakura and Tine are so damn powerful) so this entire deal makes no sense.
I understand people get all "woah!" when looking at big numbers and are suitably impressed. I'm impressed too and I would be lying if I wasn't.
However, does the farmer's ability to amass enough energy to travel back to the past of the newly created Earth matter directly versus the other guy's woefully small destruction spread between 3 or 4 planetary surfaces matter in a fight that will be decided by hax?
Uh... yes? If it takes 3 seconds to activate your hax and someone can run across the Planet in 5 Microseconds, would the hax matter then? If The Farmer with a Shotgun has a Shotgun that can obliterate entire Solar Systems but otherwise moves far slower than the other guy who has smaller destruction capability but is faster to activating his hax, the speed difference matters more than the hax.
Are these gentlemen - farmer and fuhrer - going to go DBZ on each other? In that case it's obvious the farmer will win the beam spam/telekinesis force projection fight.
Are they instead going to use their low IQ brains to apply their hax on each other in the pursuit of getting a far faster and cleaner kill? Seems more likely than wasting their resources trying to one up each other in a damage dealing fight.
If it's incharacter for them to immediately use their hax then yes, yes they would use their hax first. HOWEVER, if it's not incharacter for them to use their hax first, then it shouldn't be pretended it's something they would use first. Ironically, Yhwach has shown every time he will NOT use his hax first unless he's pushed into it majorly.
Another thing Goetia fans forget is how he himself said how patient he was, waiting all those 3000 years outside the flow of time in his Temple, farming for mana.
If Goetia's TT was really timeless and didn't give a rat's ass about the normal flow of time, pray tell me how and WHY WOULD HE WAIT ALL THOSE 3000 YEARS INSIDE HIS SUPPOSEDLY TIMELESS TIME TEMPLE?????????????
Goetia has Clairvoyance which can see into the Past, Present and Future. He is Solomon's system and technically the First Servant ever created, he went nuts because he used his Clairvoyance and seen the despair of Humanity and what The Foreign God ultimately did. You mean to tell me he can't tell by doing simple shit like count the time difference since he can multiple frames of time simultaneously?
What the fuck is this logic? No. Really. What the fuck?! :wtf:
A place removed from TIME ought to give him INSTANTANEOUS ACCESS TO FUNCTIONALLY UNLIMITED TIME!!!!! In such a case he could have HARVESTED those 3000 years worth of energy literally instantly! He would have created the temple, entered it and exited it right afterwards and boom 3000 years have passed in an instant while he was in his Time Temple!
My goodness gracious!
Literal timeless places where time doesn't flow are absolutely alien places for a human being to exist in. The Past-Present-Future causality chain, the very Space-time continuum itself and LITERALLY ALL THE RULES OF OUR PHYSICS THAT RELY ON PROPER TIME's FLOW completely gone kaput and voided away would not allow a human being to experience anything like in a normal Earth environment! How the fuck are atoms supposed to function in a place devoid of time??? Quarks, gluons, HOLY FUCK what about Probability itself??? Quantum Fluctuation rely on lengthy TIME scales to do their magic! Without the concept of time itself reality as we know it would cease to exist and Fujimaru Ritsuka's self ought to become impossible to form.
Mother of Satan. It really is like talking to a brick wall.
Dude, if he thinks this shit is impossible, his brain would break seeing Ultimecia's Time Compression in FFVIII. He's making something so hilariously simple into something so retardedly complicated that I'm just grinning ear to ear over how insane this is.
Simple concepts based on simple, common sense, Occam's razor rational arguments relying on pure observations as per the doctrine of the scientific method. I am not a veteran lawyer, researcher, or data scientist but c'mon!
Will you take Nasu's spoken prose literally? When it is instantly decimated by the start of the chronological events in the time temple fight itself?
So... we shouldn't take Nasu's "Spoken Prose" literally... but we should take Kubo's "spoken prose" literally? This dude is trying to have it both ways and it's so fucking hilarious.
Explain how Mash shielded Master from Goetia's attack when she was already dead, simultaneously dead, wasn't dead, in that timeless place?
Explain how Goetia was at full power when Solomon had already sacrificed himself?
Explain why Fou had to resurrect Mash when Mash wasn't dead owing to it being a timeless place where states of being obviously don't matter since a place devoid of temporal axis can't create and separate events itself from happening?
How can any event occur in a place where the axis of time itself doesn't exist?
Electricity in the neurons let cognition occur. Current requires TIME to flow.
Yep, called it. He's literally thinking this is now like Ultimecia's Time Compression... and even going with the retarded take that without time, nothing can happen when that's not what Time IS.
For fuck's sake, see someone going into a Black Hole's Horizon and time will virtually stop for them but not for anyone else. Time is not required for Events to happen, Events can happen irregardless of Time itself, for fuck's sake.
And I just realised I'm wasting time explaining extremely basic concepts we all learnt in highschool about space-time and electricity in the brain.
And your ass needs to go back to High School as this shit is a fucking disgrace. Space-Time has nothing to do with Events happening, you fucking donkey. Video games having things happen within the concept of a Time Crash knows this shit better than you do!