"But H2 is what let him sense Transcendant Aizen" Is pretty much always going to be their response to that.Honestly, FB Bankai Ichigo actually has access to his Hollow powers at all times, he basically IS H2 Ichigo with extra power at that.
I'm not sure why people think it's any different when this week's episode has him do Arrancar abilities to avoid detection by the Sternritter.
"But H2 is what let him sense Transcendant Aizen" Is pretty much always going to be their response to that.
In reality of course, as you say, Fullbring Bankai is basically the same thing but a fuckton more refined. His Fullbring was itself a manifestation of his Hollow powers, which then merged with his Zanpaktou so of course he can use Hollow abilities. That's also why he doesn't use his mask anymore.
Feat wise it's obvious Fullbring Bankai is better (especially with Quincy powers) but "Mustache was holding back so this tells us nothing".
Mans really downloaded Electrobob's Wizardry and Wurst onto his Nasu server, smh, no dignity
Hell Sables has taken to downplaying Haschwalth's legitimately great feat of cutting Ichigo's Bankai just because it was "chipped/already fucked up".Mustache was holding back but it's pretty clear Ichigo was actually holding his own better despite being tearing himself ragged and his sword is chipped to shit.
Oh I know, I'm probably gonna read FSF just for Thia and Gil.The funny part about that is because Thia is actually an attempt to create a TYPE or a Prime One equivalent which is why Thia has such nonsensical cheat codes compared to other villains who have to go through a bunch of bullshit to make a makeshift equivalent(like Nero) or have to basically be born a gamebreaker to get anywhere(like Kiara).
What the fuck are you talking about? Who is talking about age? I'm saying that Kingu never used AoG like how Enkidu uses it in FSF. Because like the Gate of Babylon it has levels to it, not every weapon spam is as strong as the other.Bruh, the translated FSF fight between Thia and Enkidu literally says that Enkidu circumvents the age problem with his NP because he himself is old as fuck and can pull on the earth for energy, which is why his guns and spears and match Gil's.
Majin Buu has literally no relevancy to the argument at hand, stop mentioning him.Except I DID prove your negative. It's no different than Majin Buu having the same Ki as everyone else yet due to his elastic body, he has no need to actually make himself be defensive.
No I'm not. That's just you somehow completely misinterpreting my argument.GaRbS is going with the absolute non-factor that somehow, Servants are stronger and/or weaker in different continuities...
Can you tell me how making something float translates to strength and durability then?That doesn't even make sense, are you shitting me?!
The Noble Phantasm itself doesn't have a different strength, if anything Kingu's in Babylonia should be stronger. What I'm saying is that we never saw Kingu use that level of power with AoG.Why would the two Age of Babylon's be different in strength again?
This is now you claiming that Goetia needs to use his magical energy to increase his durability, implying it isn't something inherent to him. So on what grounds would the Bel-Lahmu scale to anything on magical energy value alone when we also don't know if they're using it for your so called defense increase.Basically, Goetia has no need to aim for defense while in the Temple of Time because just like the rest of the DGPs formed from him, they cannot die as long as the Reality Marble stays intact filling them with Magical Energy from Solomon's Magical Circuits.
Renji STOMPS Haschwalth?Renji stomps. Both to counter MB's agenda and because it's just plain true.
Haschwalth caps at stomping a scorched Base Bazz. What the hell is up with the omission of Vollstandig when you guys talk about this guy?
Anime showed Yhwach put up some kind of active defense when he got his arm singed"But H2 is what let him sense Transcendant Aizen" Is pretty much always going to be their response to that.
In reality of course, as you say, Fullbring Bankai is basically the same thing but a fuckton more refined. His Fullbring was itself a manifestation of his Hollow powers, which then merged with his Zanpaktou so of course he can use Hollow abilities. That's also why he doesn't use his mask anymore.
Feat wise it's obvious Fullbring Bankai is better (especially with Quincy powers) but "Mustache was holding back so this tells us nothing".
Conrolling infinite Realms, Threatening the multiverse.Meridia (The Elder Scrolls) runs an analog horror gauntlet
As a Daedric Prince and with no Towers to restrict her, she can initiate a Planemeld and pull the worlds of the verses into her realm of Oblivion, the Colored Rooms, as one of her bigger power moves. In the Elder Scrolls Online, she was said to be strong enough to destroy Nirn during Molag...forums.spacebattles.com
Could someone remind me what makes Daedric Princes and the like multiversal(+?, possibly more iirc) again?
What the fuck are you talking about? Who is talking about age? I'm saying that Kingu never used AoG like how Enkidu uses it in FSF. Because like the Gate of Babylon it has levels to it, not every weapon spam is as strong as the other.
Majin Buu has literally no relevancy to the argument at hand, stop mentioning him.
No I'm not. That's just you somehow completely misinterpreting my argument.
Can you tell me how making something float translates to strength and durability then?
The Noble Phantasm itself doesn't have a different strength, if anything Kingu's in Babylonia should be stronger. What I'm saying is that we never saw Kingu use that level of power with AoG.
Because again, just like how Gil can choose to use dozens, hundreds or thousands of weapons, as well as low ranking, third-rate or high-ranking, first rate weapons, so can Enkidu do it with AoG.
Countless tentacles stirred from the sand, as if they were a part of Enkidu’s body.
In response, Gilgamesh again used his Noble Phantasm to float into the sky. Then, his treasury — the King’s Treasures, Gate of Babylon — opened in the space behind him, and dozens, then hundreds of Noble Phantasms emerged.
Simultaneously, the ends of Enkidu’s earth tentacles transformed into countless different weapons, from spears, to swords, to bows.
One breath later, over a thousand projectiles thundered into each other.
The cacophony of clashing metal rang out over the windy battlefield.
Only two Heroic Spirits stood there.
Still, the clash between the two Heroic Spirits, each an army unto itself, was so violent that it could only be called a battlefield.
The collected Noble Phantasms of the most ancient hero, said to be the prototypes of all Noble Phantasms, were innumerable.
Weapons that would be the ultimate trump cards of ordinary Heroic Spirits were hurled forth without reserve.
To counter this, Enkidu became one with the earth, transformed the body given to him by the gods, and created countless divine weapons.
It was a furious, inexhaustible exchange of ultimate attacks.
…
A chill wind blew behind Enkidu.
While continuing to control countless weapons of sand, he looked to the north.
…
While continuing to shoot down the torrent of Noble Phantasms with his tentacles as if nothing had changed, Enkidu tried to soothe the irritated king.
Fate/Strange Fake Volume 3 said:Richard evaluates the weapons Enkidu is producing with Age of Babylon to be represents the pinnacle of human craftsmanship, he takes this to mean Enkidu was a great hero
“...More impressive than I expected. You must be an incredible Heroic Spirit. All those weapons growing out of the ground... and every one of them represents the pinnacle of human craftsmanship. To have all of them pointed at me...” Saber broke off with a little laugh. Then another, and another, and an instant later, he loosed his pent-up fire in a peal of wild laughter.
“Superb! You must be a great hero! There could be no greater honor! We give Our heartfelt thanks to you, to the Holy Grail... and to Avalon, the far-off paradise of the forefather of Our nation’s kings, for granting me the opportunity to challenge a legend who walked the earth in the age of the gods!”
This is now you claiming that Goetia needs to use his magical energy to increase his durability, implying it isn't something inherent to him. So on what grounds would the Bel-Lahmu scale to anything on magical energy value alone when we also don't know if they're using it for your so called defense increase.
Isn't Hades universal+ to multiversal? He stomps but there's probably people wanking Jin to universe level cause 'nirvana lmao'
I think he's saying that Kingu wasn't using their full power against Quetz in Babylonia which is just fucking what???What does that mean at all exactly? Gilgamesh doesn't use Gate of Babylon like he does in FGO or Fate/Extella so that means he can't in any other continuity despite constantly creating portals pointblank to himself to get items or to cover his flank?
Yeah, it was some weird shit that happened when Mori did his perfect circle kick. Nothing shows that it's replicable at all.Essentially yes. What's funny is that isn't Jin's Nirvana state only a temporary power up or am I misunderstanding the ending and epilogue?
I think he's saying that Kingu wasn't using their full power against Quetz in Babylonia which is just fucking what???
The only multiversal+ stuff I can recall from Saint Seiya is Chronos (not to be confused with Kronus/Kronos), but I don't believe anyone scales to him (it?).Last I heard from Saint Seiya in the OBD, Hades is Multiversal+ but I could be wrong on that. I just know he still defeats DBS pretty handedly.
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