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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

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ChaosTheory123 said:
They’re fixated on Hrunting from HA
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Yeah, SB really prides themselves on sticking to the older titles like that and then ignore shit like Artoria being able to react AND use Excalibur on Iskandar's Chariot which can move from 100 meters to zero in a virtual instant and Iskandar being able to escape that pointblank Excalibur... to then saying Artoria can't handle bullets.

ChaosTheory123 said:
That 1/10th his power nonsense needs context as taken as his muscular strength it’s bullshit as Kuzuki is a bridge between Artoria and Shirou and EMIYA’s not exactly on the winning end of a contest between himself and Saber. It’s clearly a stamina thing, as EMIYA’s not 10x a man that can catch a swing from Artoria barehanded.
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Well yeah, I was going by Mana reserves there but obviously, Servant's are still 500 levels of bullshit there as Kuzuki couldn't even injure him despite him still being that weak.
 
Xhominid the Fool said:
Yeah, SB really prides themselves on sticking to the older titles like that and then ignore shit like Artoria being able to react AND use Excalibur on Iskandar's Chariot which can move from 100 meters to zero in a virtual instant and Iskandar being able to escape that pointblank Excalibur... to then saying Artoria can't handle bullets.
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Is it SB on the whole? Or just the same posters? I don’t really bother reading beyond the reactions here tbh.

Either way, sounds pretty dull. Would be like sticking to Goku’s 100 meter sprint speed Pre-21st Budokai rather than acknowledge feats like Tao hopping after his hypersonic pillar. In HA alone you have a speed for Excalibur in the 100s of Mach conservatively. Hrunting’s “speed” is also just a conservative estimate based on provided narration that had room for faster.
Xhominid the Fool said:
Well yeah, I was going by Mana reserves there but obviously, Servant's are still 500 levels of bullshit there as Kuzuki couldn't even injure him despite him still being that weak.
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Kuzuki only fought EMIYA after Medea was dead and no longer reinforcing him. Remember, his snake was strong enough to crack Artoria’s skull and nearly break her neck when he was enhanced by Medea. Fucker’s still a monster superhuman without it, just not compared to a Servant or even Shirou/Rin once the reinforcement is gone.
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
Is it SB on the whole? Or just the same posters? I don’t really bother reading beyond the reactions here tbh.
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It's primarily SB as a whole and otherwise, I just mock them for it, I don't bring it here at all unless someone from there tries to bring it here.

ChaosTheory123 said:
Either way, sounds pretty dull. Would be like sticking to Goku’s 100 meter sprint speed Pre-21st Budokai rather than acknowledge feats like Tao hopping after his hypersonic pillar. In HA alone you have a speed for Excalibur in the 100s of Mach conservatively. Hrunting’s “speed” is also just a conservative estimate based on provided narration that had room for faster.
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Of course, I don't understand but that's how apparently SB does things. I've seen them completely and utterly dismiss Invincible feats simply because it's a Western Comic despite being done by one person entirely and having everything about how Viltrumites work completely explained.

ChaosTheory123 said:
Kuzuki only fought EMIYA after Medea was dead and no longer reinforcing him. Remember, his snake was strong enough to crack Artoria’s skull and nearly break her neck when he was enhanced by Medea. Fucker’s still a monster superhuman without it, just not compared to a Servant or even Shirou/Rin once the reinforcement is gone.
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I do need to compare where Kuzuki stands at to Soujurro once I get to that scene in Mahoyo.
But yeah, I did miss that point there.
 
seth said:
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He does realize the main reason why they went with the nukes in the original game wasn't because they was seen as "all powerful", the main villains literally wanted to restart Humanity on their own terms that will benefit them, thus nuclear apocalypse.

Besides, the real meat of the bullshit of the multiverse isn't in the first game nor is it in Persona, it's with Nocturne fully showing there is a Multiverse out there(Hell, each game is basically a Multiverse with countless shit happening and Apocalypse even shows the Bad Ends that happen to the protagonists did happen in various fashions) and that beings like the variants of Lucifer and YHWH have full on control of countless Universes on top of outright stating that the Gods/Demons in those series are very much the real deal with the exact level of power they have in their Religions.

Hell, the entire point of the White is that they want the entire Multiverse of SMTIV obliterated(which you CAN DO) just to basically tell both Lucifer and YHWH to go fuck off and stop playing their endless charade of Law and Chaos.

EDIT: My bad, The White's plan would only destroy one Universe, the DLC in SMTIV explicitly states that there is Countless Universes through splits which was why their plan was always pointless:
It is revealed in Hunter Memos DLC in the sequel that their goal is not possible in the grand scheme of things: every possibility observed becomes real and branches off into countless parallel universes, meaning that destroying all existence is impossible and futile from the beginning as their plan only destroys a single universe. Of course, it is still possible for them to succeed in a single universe. If anything, this revelation would only reinforce their despair; they can only ever stop a single incarnation of YHVH, not every single one of Him.
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Paxton said:
yeah I guess all those mid-tier demons in strange journey being able to destroy explicit entire space-time continuums are city level :mjpls
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it’s like when nightmarecinema or whoever claimed the elric multiverse was the size of london
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
That 1/10th his power nonsense needs context as taken as his muscular strength it’s bullshit as Kuzuki is a bridge between Artoria and Shirou and EMIYA’s not exactly on the winning end of a contest between himself and Saber. It’s clearly a stamina thing, as EMIYA’s not 10x a man that can catch a swing from Artoria barehanded.
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Nothing about the quote indicates it refers to stamina.
赤い騎士に残された力は、もはや元の一割にも満たない。
　握りしめた拳は希薄であり、気を抜けば徐々に風化していくだろう。


　だが問題はない。
　残された力が十分の一に満たずとも、衛宮士郎を処刑するには十分だ。
　標的との戦力差を考えれば、この程度のマイナスはハンデにすらなりえまい。
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From DeepL:
The red knight's remaining strength is no longer even 10% of his original.
　His clenched fist is thin and will slowly fade away if he is not careful.


　But there is no problem.
　Even if the remaining strength is less than a tenth, it is enough to execute Shiro Emiya.
　Considering the difference in strength between them and the target, this level of disadvantage would not even be a handicap.
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力 = power, force, strength.
 
GaRbS said:
Nothing about the quote indicates it refers to stamina.

From DeepL:

力 = power, force, strength.
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Not what I mean

The quote as a function of his strength compared to Shirou’s is nonsense when Shirou with much less experience and refinement clashes with Kuzuki just fine. EMIYA does not possess 10x the strength of a man that could crack Saber’s dome and break her neck with reinforcement on top of catching her strike between his knee and elbow

So, barring ignoring the statement as garbage, I’m rationalizing it to something coherent, should be obvious
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
The quote as a function of his strength compared to Shirou’s is nonsense when Shirou with much less experience and refinement clashes with Kuzuki just fine. EMIYA does not possess 10x the strength of a man that could crack Saber’s dome and break her neck with reinforcement on top of catching her strike between his knee and elbow
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Just because Shirou was able to to exchange blows with Kuzuki doesn't mean their strength is similar, and the way he did it was very much not fine.
"Eh
ah?"
I'm flung away.
Kuzuki's right fist. The fist he hadn't been using was suddenly thrust like a lance.

I shielded my chest with my blades.
In that instant, my swords were destroyed, and the impact flung me away.
I feel something hard on my back.
...I must have been pushed back about five meters.

"Ha――――guh."
I try to draw a breath and realize that I can't.
The penetrating impact has numbed my heart.
I can't breathe, and I can't move.
It's only for a few seconds.
In the few moments it takes my heart to resume its work...
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Archer can have 10 times the strength of Shirou without having nearly that much of a difference in strength with Kuzuki.
 
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