Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

[Paxton]

Ancient Melniboné vs Germany in WW1

Melniboné from Michael Moorcock's Elric novels and multiverse. The Dragon Isle is teleported 500 miles North East of England. Germany is from WW1 on July 27, 1914. They declare war on the dragon isle. The Melnibonéan Empire has 1 million warriors and 5000 phoorn in their caves. They don't have...

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[Masterblack06]

Ancient Melniboné vs Germany in WW1

Melniboné from Michael Moorcock's Elric novels and multiverse. The Dragon Isle is teleported 500 miles North East of England. Germany is from WW1 on July 27, 1914. They declare war on the dragon isle. The Melnibonéan Empire has 1 million warriors and 5000 phoorn in their caves. They don't have...

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@Atem

 

[Cryso Agori]

smh if Morgan Blackhand wasn't banned he'd have given them the backhand.

 

[Atem]

@Atem

What a dumb ass, and dishonest too. He's still trying to spin the narrative that Elric can't use moonbeam roads when he is awake. When he literally has before.

Even bog-standard mernii have access to the dreaming coaches, and they can retcon the entire universe if need be. Sully acts like dream quests are just fucking dreams. When they tangibly effect the multiverse. All magic works in a similar fashion as Onne's dream theft too. They're literally bringing things from other universes, which are their dreams to begin with, as the multiverse is composed of all the dreams from the Grey Fees. Their astral bodies they use when dreaming are solid, and perfect copies of their real bodies. Only time they are intangible is during special circumstances, and even then they can still possess other people.

The Whispering Swarm goes the extra mile, and makes it clear whole universes form around mortal souls. That the id, superego, and ego of a person form distinct aspects. The id becomes a Lord of Chaos. Their superego a Lord of Law.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

and the Original Insect was straight up eating the Gray Fees too, lmao

 

[Atem]

Sully is the same nigga who unironically argued in favor of universal DMC, and goes around and plays this game? I wouldn't be surprised if the ODC is still alive and kicking and feeding him half of this stuff. Matt was even perusing his retarded thread.

 

[Atem]

From the horse's mouth. All the stories are interconnected and discrepancies can be explained away by dream quests and moonbeam roads. Reality is always changing.

The Making of a Sorcerer #1

As I mentioned earlier. Something you gain during dream quests stays with you after you wake.

And even while you sleep it can manifest in reality, and protect you.

Spoiler

As for why Elric doesn't keep Stormbringer after getting it in his earlier dream quests it's because one of the Elemental Lords sealed it away before he woke. It was Grome in specific.

Also taken from the first issue.

Spoiler

Then a thousand years later Grome still remembers their meeting and compact. Elric however doesn't remember because as I mentioned before all that remains is the power you gain. Your memories of it dissipate over time but the magic stays forever.

This would be issue five.

Spoiler

The Making of a Sorcerer #2

Normal worlds and ghost worlds are differentiated again. They are not the same. Also, travelers on the moonbeam roads don't just walk to these worlds. They also create them. Dream quests constitute all of reality, and there's even a fictional version of our world among them. When the dreaming stops everywhere all of the multiverse disappears. As the multiverse is the product of all dreams. Dream questing is specifically the power to make "the unreal into reality." As I established before.

The best part is that Elric does all of this without Stormbringer.

Spoiler

 

[OtherGalaxy]

From the horse's mouth. All the stories are interconnected and discrepancies can be explained away by dream quests and moonbeam roads. Reality is always changing.

The Making of a Sorcerer #1

As I mentioned earlier. Something you gain during dream quests stays with you after you wake.

And even while you sleep it can manifest in reality, and protect you.

Spoiler

As for why Elric doesn't keep Stormbringer after getting it in his earlier dream quests it's because one of the Elemental Lords sealed it away before he woke. It was Grome in specific.

Also taken from the first issue.

Spoiler

Then a thousand years later Grome still remembers their meeting and compact. Elric however doesn't remember because as I mentioned before all that remains is the power you gain. Your memories of it dissipate over time but the magic stays forever.

This would be issue five.

Spoiler

The Making of a Sorcerer #2

Normal worlds and ghost worlds are differentiated again. They are not the same. Also, travelers on the moonbeam roads don't just walk to these worlds. They also create them. Dream quests constitute all of reality, and there's even a fictional version of our world among them. When the dreaming stops everywhere all of the multiverse disappears. As the multiverse is the product of all dreams. Dream questing is specifically the power to make "the unreal into reality." As I established before.

The best part is that Elric does all of this without Stormbringer.

Spoiler

so what you're saying is he's wooden door level

 

[Atem]

Sully even tried to gas-light Morgan into thinking Stormbringer was responsible for the dream quest that created it in The Making of a Sorcerer. When it was the other way around. Elric conjured the dream, and then the dream quest version of Stormbringer saved him. Whilst he also transformed into White Crow. Who is literally him. One of his guises like Count Zenith.

 

[Atem]

so what you're saying is he's wooden door level

Yes, because wooden doors in MMM can solo 99% of fiction.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

 

[OtherGalaxy]

love simonson's work in general but especially what he did for the Insect


thing is like Unicron on steroids

 

[Example]

Why WW1 Germany of all armies.

They could have used the modern US army or something and it'd be somewhat of a discussion?

Probably because the modern US army might have certain surprises in their arsenal that Ancient Melnibone haven't even seen before because their society (despite their military prowess) have their society set in the middle ages probably.

Which means they're going to be seeing modern tech and go "wtf" upon the first sight of it.

 

[Paxton]

Yes, because wooden doors in MMM can solo 99% of fiction.

a wooden door from MMM vs To Aru

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

a wooden door from MMM vs To Aru

To Aru gets their asses blown out, they can't handle the Multiversal+ splinters ha

 

[Paxton]

To Aru gets their asses blown out, they can't handle the Multiversal+ splinters ha

The splinters from the door have vectors gg

 

[Paxton]

Natsu (Fairy Tail ) VS Superman New 52 (DC)

VS conditions: without knowledge, fight to the death, both characters with everything shown in their respective verses, energies are not equal, so superman cannot use magic

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>Mountain level Natsu

Fucking excuse me?

 

[Paxton]

The Last Sasuke (Naruto) vs Adult Toshiro (Bleach)

What? I just provided an example with Yachiru litteraly able to fight on her own even though she is a zanpaktou hell shes not the only example. Chojiruos bankai is still able to be used well after his death. Hell there is an entire building of zanpaktous that walk around on their own with...

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The Last Sasuke (Naruto) vs Adult Toshiro (Bleach)

Because all zanpaktous have their own reaitsu? Like what?

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The Last Sasuke (Naruto) vs Adult Toshiro (Bleach)

Isn't the entire process of obtaining a Bankai based around the idea that a Zanpaktou can manifest a tangible body for itself with power that's separate from its owner and then fight its owner to the death unless the owner is able to successfully subdue it? It seems like anyone with a Bankai...

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The Last Sasuke (Naruto) vs Adult Toshiro (Bleach)

Yachiru directly disproves that zanpaktous only have the reaitsu of their weilder. The fact theres a bunch of zanpaktous walking around on their own in Ouetsus palace disproves this. Hell soul reapers can still use their zanpaktous shikai on their own without their zanpaktou spirit there...

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Didn't Yachiru being a Zanpakotou get jossed already?

 

[Astaro]

6 pages of the most semantic crap to argue Bleach characters being immune to Genjutsu.

The Zanpaktou being able to break out of a Genjutsu the same way a Biju does for their holder falls apart when the Shinigami is in essence their Zanpaktou, it’s not a separate power.

And the whole thing of Shinigami / Sternritter replacing their vision with Reikaku is equally pointless since it’s still sight and giving the brain information. In fact, Lille Barro didn’t even know he subconsciously replaces his normal vision with Reikaku when battling until it was pointed out and explained by Shinsui, showing there’s no visual difference between the two

@Paxton Had a several long argument of a Bleach fan stonewalling with the above Reikaku shit once, insisting Bleach characters basically fight blind and just see blobs of Spiritual pressure for their Reikaku to argue they couldn’t be mind-fucked from looking at a Grimoire from Index.

Despite Tousen being an actual blind character who shouldn’t be handicapped since everyones blind while fighting by that logic and despite him regaining his sight during battle after Hollowfication and describing Komamura’s appearance which shouldn’t be possible by their logic.

Oh and despite all the times Bleach characters make visual observations of their opponents appearance or backgrounds while battling

I swear, Bleach stans argue or outright make up the dumbest headcanon on a consistent basis more than any other fandom I’ve dealt with

 

[Astaro]

Sasuke doesn’t even need Genjutsu, he literally obliterates Toshiro by swinging a Susanoo arm (or even his own) in his direction