Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

[ChaosTheory123]

Just because Shirou was able to to exchange blows with Kuzuki doesn't mean their strength is similar, and the way he did it was very much not fine.

Yes, yes it does

His 30 strike exchange from the start (let alone greater development that doesn’t dampen his senses in the moment) should have ended with one if Kuzuki was even twice his superior, and I’m exaggerating a gulf. He should have folded Shirou’s attempt with far less force than twice over

Archer can have 10 times the strength of Shirou without having nearly that much of a difference in strength with Kuzuki.

No, the function of weight classes IRL should tell you just how bullshit that idea is when pithy differences in strength determine significant differences in outcome

Stick to simple lore, actual functions of comparison are beyond you

I was never even more than 1.3-1.4 times the strength of a potential step sibling, he could do fuck all to me even in a friendly spar while he tried his hardest.

 

[Adamant soul]

Is Kenpachi more talented than Hitsugaya?

Seems like he is...

www.fanverse.org

> Kenpachi
> More talented than the guy who was freezing shit before he even had a sword and whom surpassed even kenpachi's full power in little more than a few years. The guy who is also still a CHILD and therefore has a ton of room to grow stillha

Uh no, he's more GIFTED sure (in that he started with a freakish power level) but I wouldn't say he's talented as talent still necessitates that you actually have to work for your power, which Kenpachi's never had to. Hitsugaya did.

Hitsugaya is a prodigy of the highest grade.
Kenpachi breaks the scale, and im fairly convinced that he's not simply a shinigami. Nobody in the Gotei matches his potential, not even Yamamoto. The issue is that Unohana blunted that potential and he never matured as he should have.

Yamamoto doesn't match the potential of a guy who he's still stronger than by the end of the series?

His potential wasn't blunted, he's pretty much reached it by the end.

 

[Cryso Agori]

I don't think Kenpachi can get stronger after Muken, after all he isn't like Ichigo with freakish Reiatsu growth + having half of his power subdued by OMZ.

He had a static Reiatsu level but didn't have access to it until Kenpachi had unlocked all of his previous strength during Muken, other than Bankai (which I don't think actually gives him a strength boost, just turns him into a berserker seeing as how his arm was fucked because Yachiru unlocked to much of his strength.) I'll have to go back and check that chapter though.

 

[Adamant soul]

I don't think Kenpachi can get stronger after Muken, after all he isn't like Ichigo with freakish Reiatsu growth + having half of his power subdued by OMZ.

He had a static Reiatsu level but didn't have access to it until Kenpachi had unlocked all of his previous strength during Muken,

This I agree with.

other than Bankai (which I don't think actually gives him a strength boost, just turns him into a berserker seeing as how his arm was fucked because Yachiru unlocked to much of his strength.) I'll have to go back and check that chapter though.

This not so much.

I'm pretty sure it DOES give him a boost as he was initially able to attack without problem, it was only when Yachiru tried to boost him to match Gerard that he blew up. A detail Kenpachi fanboys tend to ignore for obvious reasons, given what came next.

 

[Masterblack06]

>be kenpachi
>get power boost
>be gerard

 

[GaRbS]

I was never even more than 1.3-1.4 times the strength of a potential step sibling, he could do fuck all to me even in a friendly spar while he tried his hardest.

Could you send your potential step sibling flying with one blow?
And also this:

 

[Paxton]

Aleister Crowley(Toaru) vs Arcueid Brunestud(Nasuverse)

Both are in-character, and there is no knowledge or prep. The Location is Lostbelt 6, and the distance is 30 meters. Aleister has Crowley Hazzards and Blasting Rod. Arc is at her strongest from the Remake. The Victory Conditions are Death, BFR, or Incapacitation.

forums.spacebattles.com

 

[Paxton]

Garou (One Punch Man) vs Joa (Toriko)

Saitama or Garou solo the verse, what is this?

forums.spacebattles.com

 

[Paxton]

That reminds me, would Types/Ultimate Ones be >>> Sefar?

 

[Cryso Agori]

That reminds me, would Types/Ultimate Ones be >>> Sefar?

Wouldn't it be the opposite? Cause Sefar's purpose is to destroy civilizations/life?

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

That reminds me, would Types/Ultimate Ones be >>> Sefar?

Depends if Sefar's absorption thing works on them, or if they have enough raw strength to just push past it.

Excalibur uses the "Breath of the Planet", and iirc Arc has that as one of her skills or something. Arc is basically Type-in-the-making (hence "Archetype-Earth") so if she can do so logically the actual Types could as well.

Unless that's specifically an Earth/Gaia thing for some reason, which isn't impossible.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Could you send your potential step sibling flying with one blow?
And also this:

Just because it's anime physics, doesn't mean it suddenly changes how we do VS. debates.
If Kuzuki was well beyond Shirou's paygrade, Shirou would be dead instantly just like Rin equally would be against Kuzuki.
And if that was the case, Shirou should have been ULTRA dead against EMIYA regardless of his stats.

To put it another way, despite Darkshine being demolished by Garou, he HAD to be somewhere in Garou's league because otherwise, Darkshine shouldn't have even TOUCHED Garou at any point and would have been massacred in one blow.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

That reminds me, would Types/Ultimate Ones be >>> Sefar?

Wouldn't it be the opposite? Cause Sefar's purpose is to destroy civilizations/life?

We don't know precisely where TYPEs/Ultimate Ones stand with Sefar but considering the early spoilers we got, Sefar would probably be far weaker than them but again, we don't know for definite and we don't like making guesses out of our asses.

 

[Blade]

aizen is def also low macroversal since he managed to fight yeehaw for a while, and put him to zzzzz state with a hypnotic bad writing moment back there

 

[ChaosTheory123]

Could you send your potential step sibling flying with one blow?

???

Seriously, are you just pretending to be stupid for the sake of it? Or is ignorance just what you have an abundance of?

Relative to breaking concrete? Throwing someone across a room twice as fast as a baseball is a feat in accord if not entirely underwhelming.

And also this:

Which if he was actually substantially weaker should have sent him to the floor and destroyed his organs

Reopening a wound can happen in ratio with shit we can do to our own bodies, this isn’t a feat of note

Lesser ratios cause that much damage, you have zero comprehension beyond “pretty number”

In ratio or just on human scale, our bodies are fragile and do not require force substantially in excess our own might to overcome

 

[Blade]

jjk stans saying top tiers now are star+ levels cuz of that mini black hole feat

i agree, too bad that it couldn't even fully erase a city, despite saying it would cui the planet, on the canon time now. biting the hype bait, once again, when they gonna learn

summary:

evolto uses a true black hole instead and cuis 75% of the shonen verses, as a side effect

 

[Paxton]

jjk stans saying top tiers now are star+ levels cuz of that mini black hole feat

i agree, too bad that it couldn't even fully erase a city, despite saying it would cui the planet, on the canon time now. biting the hype bait, once again, when they gonna learn

summary:

evolto uses a true black hole instead and cuis 75% of the shonen verses, as a side effect

Well it wouldn't scale to anyone (bar Tengen's barrier and potentially Kenjaku's) regardless because using it is a suicide technique for Yuki, so

It doesn't seem like hype to me tbh

 

[Blade]

it still doesn't count, lad

when they show (if ever show) feats of close to planet tier, then we talkin again, even as a last resort tech, still failed to do it, so, all i am seeing is another blub blub blub blub blub hype author moment

so

yeah

back to town+ level jjk top tiers, with a close to city level mini black hole tech

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Which if he was actually substantially weaker should have sent him to the floor and destroyed his organs

Reopening a wound can happen in ratio with shit we can do to our own bodies, this isn’t a feat of note

Lesser ratios cause that much damage, you have zero comprehension beyond “pretty number”

In ratio or just on human scale, our bodies are fragile and do not require force substantially in excess our own might to overcome

It's weirder because even in the F/SN route, Shirou's brand of regeneration was too much of a hassle for Shinji Medusa to easily kill Shirou with and if it's only if she was hooked to Sakura, could she have killed him with the kick that knocked him out the window and straight bifurcated him.

I don't know why GaRbS keeps going with the belief that Shirou is weak as hell(same with Rin) when we have been constantly bombarded with the fact that BOTH of them work out physically hardcore every day.
Kuzuki is a monster but so is virtually every Modern Mage to make up for the lack of them not being their AoG counterparts. If Shirou was too weak, he would have been easily murdered by everything that happened to him in F/SN, case closed(See Shinji for proof).

 

[Blade]

wow

that garou vs elden lied vs thread on fanzverse, on some truly insane copium levels

they

still

mad

cuz

garou gets reiatsu flexed by a holding back radahn, lmao