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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

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It's also worth noting that Imperialdramon PM has the same "only shows up when it's needed" requirement as Alphamon does and the fact that it hasn't shown up as much COULD imply superiority to Alphamon but that's still shaky at best.

Feat wise, it's definitely in Alphamon's favor while Paladin Mode is pretty much entirely reliant on hype.
 

 
wooden door level elric
roof level seiya
hammer level silver surfer
sword level general radahn


there is also bullet level ac cloud, its an old gem, but is based on the scene, where some posters from a certain forum were saying, that cloud survived this






only cuz of his googles and not cuz of his superhuman powers















ps: the dudes who cloud fight here, are sephiroth's remnants, and they superior to large planet+/mftl chars
 
Gonna ignore the rest of the convo and focus on this.
So uh. Outside of night 1 of Fate and HF when has Heracles ever, ever, Ever been considered strong for a top tier servant?
From day 1 and throughout.

And this is despite his Berserker Class impeding his capacity to show his true skill or even use one of his NPs.
Everytime he fights he gets destroyed.
And it generally takes other top tiers, some really damn good hax or other shenanigans to pull that off.
Artoria destroys him in UBW while being crippled by Shirou.
Ignoring of course the fact Artoria is a top tier servant herself, wasn't that with Emiya's help?
Salter destroys him in HF.
Yes, a stronger version of an already top tier Servant destroyed him.
How exactly does this make Heracles weak again?
Gilg's enter threat is introduced on the basis that he can negative-effort dumpster Hercules.
You mean the fight where the main reason he has such an easy time of it, is because Heracles is taking hits for Illya?

Didn't Heracles come back in another class at one point and wipe the floor with Gil?
In an anti-feat for the both of them. He manages to die to Emiya six, times. Not once or thrice, but six times.
Yes that is a feat for Emiya.

Funny how having access to an NP that lets you copy a fuck ton of other NP's makes you uniquely suited to being able to shred lives off Heracles. Not to mention it's heavily implied by Heracles' own inner dialogue that this wouldn't have happened if Heracles were in his right mind.
And Artoria herself admits she likely wouldn't be able to beat him, even if she had been at full power.
 

To point some of these out and to give the benefit of the doubt:

1. Alcides didn't dumpster Gilgamesh in SF, hell, it's damn near the opposite where Gilgamesh was putting Alcides to his paces and he wasn't getting anywhere without Ishtar sealing away his GoB.

2. Illya was definitely a huge part of it but Heracles as a Berserker isn't able to use Nine Lives which crippled him massively as he couldn't also use the easy movement Alcides can do to take on GoB

3. EMIYA never used GoB against Heracles in the Fate Route, those was all Projections, Broken Phantasms and Overedges.

Everything else is right though and it's funny as shit to see someone downplay Heracles so hard because "Muh explosions, muh collateral" and then expect others to ignore it for Naruto despite how many times they wank Collateral and Explosions, they are a hell of alot weaker than they love coming with.
 
@Stocking Anarchy Is there any lore with the Ebony Warrior? Always found it odd how a Redguard that isn’t the Dragonborn learned the Thu’um

Dude must have been in Skyrim for a loooong time which makes sense since his life’s goal is to go to Sovngard
 
It's funny they bring up "Salter losing to Lord Chaldeas with Excalibur" when:

1. It's heavily implied Salter was sandbagging(Especially since LB6 later states that the same Cu Caster we meet in Singularity F outright tells you Salter is still there, defending the place) and was against Lev's and Goetia's plan from the start and she could have won at any time if she really wanted to.

2. Lord Chaldeas/Camelot literally reflects attack launched at it. While it's not in the game, every other time we see it, it literally reflects what's launched at it unless Mash dies blocking it. No shit Salter would be taken out by her own attack, especially since she KNOWS that Mash houses Galahad, her Knight, as her Heroic Spirit and knows what it can do. That was the entire damned point.
 
Other than lots of theories and speculations...he knows the thu'um, did everything else he needed to do, awaited a warrior who could challenge him and wants to go to Sovengarde (and does so).

Oh yes, and after you defeat him the guide says that you're the mightiest warrior in Skyrim since Ysgramor himself.
 
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