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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Salfarc said:
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Step 1: Raise sword (done so can fire Excalibur)
Step 2: Swing

This means Artoria is fast enough to use it before using Iskandar cross 100 meters. Even if you say couple of meters is not 100 meters, there is nothing contradicting to what is stated.

@shiny I end up having to argue for you now.

At any rate even basic logic is not comprehensible to TheWorld.
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Raising up and swinging a sword before a guy can cross 100 meters sounds hilariously unimpressive my guy
 
Salfarc said:
My man, I once argue with the mod due to Akame ga kill vs Servant thread

I said Esdeath doesn't do true time stop, she is using coldness to freezes time. Someone say she does actual time stop. The guy then shows a "prove" with manga panel that quite literally have it stated that Esdeath power comes from Coldness and not true time stop. I point it out and the guy keep arguing against it. The prove the guy provide actually supports what I said and not him. I then say "What I said is literally the canon, the coldness of her ability is literally stated there"



See the "frozen tundra" literally stated there

Then it become arguing about Violet's EX Crack Ice and the translation issue. Which we just keep using the same quote over and over. Both are "freezing" but Esdeath is true time stop yet Crack Ice isn't?

The mod warn me for saying what I say is canon and that I didn't provide evidence. What evidence am I suppose to give when the other person already give it for me...

It become quite long argument with mod for that. Not as long as the thread itself but I know how bad it can be.
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I remember that thread too and we even talked about it here and it was the same shit(I think I argued with a certain somebody that will remain nameless but he knows who he is). Esdeath's "Time Stop" is just freezing Cold acting as one.... which would ultimately be no different than Violet's Crack Ice EX if the former is accepted as a real Time Stop.
Neither are ultimately one at their core with Crack Ice only coming off as such in the function it does to the body and Esdeath's can be nulled if you can ignore the freezing effect.
 
Astaro said:
Raising up and swinging a sword before a guy can cross 100 meters sounds hilariously unimpressive my guy
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The argument is because he said "A far cry from Saber's NP being faster than Iskandar's from a couple of meters away".

The argument is about Artoria's speed. My point is that the quotes does not contradict the claim Artoria can. It just stated how far Iskandar goes, which is 100 meters. And Iskandar move before Artoria even raise and swing. We are talking about her speed not how far he travel.

Xhominid The Apex said:
I remember that thread too and we even talked about it here and it was the same shit(I think I argued with a certain somebody that will remain nameless but he knows who he is). Esdeath's "Time Stop" is just freezing Cold acting as one.... which would ultimately be no different than Violet's Crack Ice EX if the former is accepted as a real Time Stop.
Neither are ultimately one at their core with Crack Ice only coming off as such in the function it does to the body and Esdeath's can be nulled if you can ignore the freezing effect.
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That is my point too. I got warned by Mod for insisting this.
 
Salfarc said:
The argument is because he said "A far cry from Saber's NP being faster than Iskandar's from a couple of meters away".

The argument is about Artoria's speed. My point is that the quotes does not contradict the claim Artoria can. It just stated how far Iskandar goes, which is 100 meters. And Iskandar move before Artoria even raise and swing. We are talking about her speed not how far he travel.


That is my point too. I got warned by Mod for insisting this.
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I know. And from what I’m seeing, you’re arguing Saber being able to swing Excalibur within the timeframe of Iskandar crossing a hundred meters.

Which actually looks bad on Saber’s part and makes her seem slow relative to Iskandar. Got to use something better than this.
 


I don't really like using the Othinus feat outside of instances where people argue he can't deal with fast attacks. This is mainly him abusing his precog to handle a fast attack, not a movement speed feat feat in of itself.

It doesn't help with overwhelming numbers of smart attacks, that's an entirely different type of attack strategy altogether.

Handling a bunch of very fast attacks in a short burst is impressive, but handling an endless barrage of beam spam that will iteratively get more and more effective as they avoid his right arm and dance around before hitting him from every angle is not something he can do. This feat doesn't change that he dies in a battle of attrition against them. Frieren will never come back down to the ground and melee him like your average cocky Toaru mage, on an open field he has 0 methods of climbing something and jumping at her, he also has no cover whatsoever. There really isn't any logical path to victory here.
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Literally retarded logic.

He's moving while the fuck off fast crossbow shots are mid air.
He moves after Gungnir is thrown.

It's a movement/reaction speed feat, simple as that.
 
Astaro said:
I know. And from what I’m seeing, you’re arguing Saber being able to swing Excalibur within the timeframe of Iskandar crossing a hundred mete.

Which actually looks bad
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Because she does. The guy is claiming Iskandar can cross couple of metres before Artoria can swing Excalibur. Those quotes does not support that. If anything it supports the other way around.

Again, we are not talking about how far Iskandar cross...Its how fast Artoria swing her excalibur. This is not Artoria swing excalibur the same speed as Iskandar crossing 100 metre. This is about how she is far faster than that. So if she is far faster it is within the timeframe

Like how light speed is within the timeframe of you moving your body. Sound speed is within the timeframe of you moving your body.

My point is how what he said does not contradic the claim she can. What part of this do you all not understand. I really dont get it.

Astaro said:
I’m telling him his argument isn’t a good one and needs to use a better example of NP activation speed

Quit being a sensitive little bitch over your precious Nasuverse being brought up every time, Xhom
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The issue is that the one we are arguing is specifically this currently. It wasn't before but now it become this.
 
Hell, Touma later in NT22 reacts to Coronzon's Flaming;Sword, which is arguably even FASTER than Othinus throwing Gungnir, as crazy as that sounds.
..and then CRC's ROTA spell in GT9, which is.. also arguably superior to Flaming;Sword given it's mechanics.

Yeah I have a feeling any instance of him getting shot up like he's in Detroit is plot-mandated (or character-mandated, I suppose) bullshit.

But the agenda must be maintained at all costs, I guess..
 
Salfarc said:
Because she does. The guy is claiming Iskandar can cross couple of metres before Artoria can swing Excalibur. Those quotes does not support that. If anything it supports the other way around.

Again, we are not talking about how far Iskandar cross...Its how fast Artoria swing her excalibur. This is not Artoria swing excalibur the same speed as Iskandar crossing 100 metre. This is about how she is far faster than that. So if she is far faster it is within the timeframe

Like how light speed is within the timeframe of you moving your body. Sound speed is within the timeframe of you moving your body.

My point is how what he said does not contradic the claim she can. What part of this do you all not understand. I really dont get it.
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And again, notice what I’m saying. You’re arguing her swinging a sword, a single action, being faster than a guy running 100 meters, is somehow impressive.

This can easily be used against you. By itself, it really doesn’t say anything about Saber being particularly fast.

F/Z in general is pretty shit when it comes to feats. You’re better off arguing other works.

Looking at that thread, Morgan scales to Zeus so that’s something
 

The precog person would know exactly what path to stand in and where to place their hand to typically intercept.

He does not move at these speeds, the entire setting in Toaru falls apart if he could. Why doesn't he just kick Kanzaki's ass in melee if he moves MFTL.

Heck he could statue people like Accelerator entirely, why would any fight with him be close? He could statue Birdway, Acqua, arch angels and similar as well. Most of the in series fights do not make any sense if he could actually move at MFTL speeds.
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Ignoring the other instances which just can be explained as him holding back..


How the fuck would that mean he can statue Accelerator?
Accelerator's the only character mentioned here that can actually scale to the top tier shit.
 
Masterblack06 said:
He can considering Iceman can freeze space-time at the quantum level and was even starting to freeze reality around him
:heston
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Kakine pulling out the strong adapt:

(Also he can just straight up spread faster than Iceman could freeze him)
 
Wait a minute.

Kakine scales to Accelerator

Mugino scales to Kakine


MFTL Mugino :mjpls
 
Masterblack06 said:
He can considering Iceman can freeze space-time at the quantum level and was even starting to freeze reality around him
:heston
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One time feat that seemed pretty nonsense but sure. Only thing to argue Iceman getting by Dark Matter selective-intangibility
 
He really want to die in this hill 1706343354463.png
Somehow all those proves that Artoria need to charge time and it doesn't contradict that she can do it before Iskandar move couple of meters are wrong and only he is right.

"good riddance" He really lack self-awareness.But hey at least he didn't deny he is in denial.
 

The text itself says he intercepted the arrow with his hand though? He doesn't need to dodge it if he is in the right place and his arm is in position ahead of time.

Just think about it, there's no actual way he moved out of the firing path after the attack was actually launched at him, every single speed feat in the series puts him at a massively lower bar than this.

What happened is that he knew where Othinus would fire the arrows and the approach she would take to pin him down, that's the only explanation that doesn't break the setting.

How do you reconcile the 100+ times this dudes been hit by attacks that are many orders of magnitude slower than her arrows.
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Oh god he's actually going down this line of reasoning.

:giogio
 
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