Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Harpomon]

Jin Kazama (Tekken) vs Greymon (Digimon Adventure)

Get Ready for the Next Battle! :maybe Round 1) Base Jin vs Greymon Round 2) Devil Jin vs MetalGreymon Final Round) Angel Jin vs WarGreymon Stage BGM Ready...FIGHT! :gar

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Oh ain't that fucking rich when you are your ilk throw ALL these statements around, IGNORING of course the fact that what they tell us (or what you think they tell us in some cases) simply does not line up in ANY way with what we are actually SHOWN in either Adventure 01 or 02.

Like I'm sorry but "visuals" as you put them are NOT some minor thing you can brush off. This is an ANIME, it's a VISUAL MEDIUM, so visuals are kind of fucking important. The fact we can see stars in the night sky in the Spiral Mountain arc PROVES that what was warped into the mountain doesn't include ANYTHING beyond the planet, much less making it a universal or multiversal feat.

Nevermind again the Dark Masters > Holy Beast shit that's been contradicted thoroughly throughout the second half of 02. Look I appreciate that the power scale is crazier now and they're trying to retro-actively put it into Adventure, but that doesn't work 'cause what we're TOLD does NOT match with what we are SHOWN, it just doesn't.

I wasn't going to make that thread on FV because I knew this shit was gonna happen, really should have stuck with that idea. Fucking issue with your favorite fiction getting as crazy as it has it attracts THESE people who make it hard for me to even discuss my favorite franchise in a vs context at least.

Yeah, and the saddest thing about this is that most of the time these guys aren't even consistent with that crap.

They're always saying that "WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon are at least multiversal uhh uhh" but then when you bring up HolyAngemon (who casually stomped Piemon) they back off and they're trying this "lol it was a type advantage" BS. However, they don't want to note that WarGreymon also had an important advantage vs two Dark Masters..

And if you bring up that BlackWarGreymon vs Qinglongmon incident as well, they'll make every possible excuse as to why he lost so easily. They also never tell how Dark Masters exactly "beat" those Holy Beasts, and they also always ignore the fact that Digimon X could capture its opponent even if it's weaker (eg AncientGreymon and AncientGarurumon vs Lucemon).

So yeah, it would be better if they were even consistent with that nonsense but no.

 

[Doronbo_Shirake]

They also never tell how Dark Masters exactly "beat" those Holy Beasts

I thought the Dark Masters used the power of Apocalymon, who is multiversal, to seal the Beasts and create Spiral Mountain.

 

[Qinglong]

the novel or whatever he's trying to use basically opens with the Holy beasts in the process of being sealed

by his logic Wargreymon and BWG (as they're roughly comparable) > Dark Masters > FP me > weakened me > BWG and WG (as they're roughly comparable) and they give no response to this

 

[Adamant soul]

Yeah, and the saddest thing about this is that most of the time these guys aren't even consistent with that crap.

No they aren't.

They're always saying that "WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon are at least multiversal uhh uhh" but then when you bring up HolyAngemon (who casually stomped Piemon) they back off and they're trying this "lol it was a type advantage" BS. However, they don't want to note that WarGreymon also had an important advantage vs two Dark Masters..

It's also funny because WarGreymon was easily overpowered by MetalSeadramon and had to use Great Tornado for those claws to actually do the damage, meanwhile Mugendramon literally one-shotted him and devolved him with a claw strike (not even a named attack), even leaving the wound on Koromon's face. That's what you call winning via type advantage.

Comparatively HolyAngemon cuts the cloth in two, easily blocks Piemon's slash then proceeds to land his own without Piemon being able to react AT ALL and sends him running for reinforcements. The clown got straight up blitzed, that ain't got shit to do with type advantage. ha

And if you bring up that BlackWarGreymon vs Qinglongmon incident as well, they'll make every possible excuse as to why he lost so easily.

"Aww he totally just shined a light in his face and talked him down."

Yes because the guy who is itching for a fight with Qinglongmon is totally going to stop cold just 'cause he shined a light in his face, when being severely injured by the Jogress Perfects did absolutely nothing to even slow him down.

They also never tell how Dark Masters exactly "beat" those Holy Beasts, and they also always ignore the fact that Digimon X could capture its opponent even if it's weaker (eg AncientGreymon and AncientGarurumon vs Lucemon).

Yeah they don't seem to quite grasp that "sealing" is still "beating" and it doesn't require you to be on par with the target, in fact it's usually quite telling of that NOT being the case since it was your only option. Such as was the case with Lucemon. The Dark Masters vs The Holy Beasts is still vague as shit on how it actually went down.

They also like to throw that Imperialdramon = Gods statement around...except they obviously ignore the fact that even at his fucking weakest, Imperialdramon shits on the Dark Masters so that would also confirm Holy Beasts > Dark Masters.

So yeah, it would be better if they were even consistent with that nonsense but no.

Yeah it's not a lot to ask really but it is what it is.

 

[Adamant soul]

I thought the Dark Masters used the power of Apocalymon, who is multiversal, to seal the Beasts and create Spiral Mountain.

This quite frankly is the most likely explanation.

It's also possible that the distortions Apocalymon caused had a similar weakening effect on the Holy Beasts as the Dark Towers and BlackWarGreymon had but to an even greater extent given Apocalymon is much stronger than either of those.

Either way the Dark Masters beating full power Holy Beasts doesn't make any sense at all given their respective feats.

 

[Doronbo_Shirake]

This quite frankly is the most likely explanation.

It's also possible that the distortions Apocalymon caused had a similar weakening effect on the Holy Beasts as the Dark Towers and BlackWarGreymon had but to an even greater extent given Apocalymon is much stronger than either of those.

Either way the Dark Masters beating full power Holy Beasts doesn't make any sense at all given their respective feats.

I agree. It doesn't make sense. They were defeated by the Holy Beasts when they envolved the first time and joined their powers in Megadramon's suicidal attack.

 

[Adamant soul]

I agree. It doesn't make sense. They were defeated by the Holy Beasts when they envolved the first time and joined their powers in Megadramon's suicidal attack.

Hell looking at that (I haven't actually watched Tri), their attacks weren't even able to one-shot their Perfect level forms, which is actually consistent with how multiple Chosen Perfects are able to react and dodge their attacks, even tag and damage a couple like Pinnochimon and Piemon.

Which all but guarantees that shenanigans were involved in them winning a re-match with much older and more experienced versions later.

 

[Doronbo_Shirake]

Hell looking at that (I haven't actually watched Tri), their attacks weren't even able to one-shot their Perfect level forms, which is actually consistent with how multiple Chosen Perfects are able to react and dodge their attacks, even tag and damage a couple like Pinnochimon and Piemon.

Which all but guarantees that shenanigans were involved in them winning a re-match with much older and more experienced versions later.

Found this on Withthewill forum:

The Dark Masters, plotting to take over the digital world, got their eye on the Book of Revelations and used it to set up an evil plot, using Nanomon to create a program that would form Spiral Mountain. While that program was being created, the four of them attacked the Four Holy Beasts to seal them away. It is surmised that Apocalymon sent the Dark Masters its "concept" across the Wall of Fire, because the Dark Masters' plan, without them realizing it, would utterly destroy the Village of Beginnings' function. In other words, creating Spiral Mountain stole the concept of "evolution" from the digital world. Unconsciously, the Dark Masters were manipulated by Apocalymon into rejecting the idea of evolution.

 

[Adamant soul]

Found this on Withthewill forum:

That certainly makes a lot of sense and confirms that Apocalymon was affecting the Digital World (and therefore likely weakening the Holy Beasts) before he even made it through the wall of fire. Which is most likely what allowed the Dark Masters to succeed where they normally wouldn't have.

 

[Adamant soul]

Jin Kazama (Tekken) vs Greymon (Digimon Adventure)

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And you've been shown evidence proving otherwise.

No sir we haven't.

Evidence that you just ignored because it disproves your preconceived notions.

No we ignored it because it's either contradicted by the show itself or because it doesn't actually prove what you want it to.

And on the preconceived notions point, planet level arguments have been made here using the AtlurKabuterimon vs Vadermon feat and it's much more convincing than anything you've tried to give because it's actually an ON-SCREEN feat.

The issue I have with THAT is, very similar to Spiral Mountain, it looks much smaller than it should for a planet and I believed it was calc'ed before and didn't actually get a particularly high result. Also Imperialdramon FM's profile highlighting his ability to destroy a planet indicates it's an impressive feat for someone of HIS level, never mind a Perfect level like AtlurKabuterimon.

Yet we have the Spiral Mountain feat and AtlurKabuterimon harming Pinnochimon, which would actually lend more weight to AtlurKabuterimon being planet level if not for the fact that it was split four ways with each Dark Master only handling a quarter of the planet's mass. Still has MUCH more going for it than Universal - Multiversal Dark Masters or Chosen Ultimates.

It has nothing to do with pre-concieved notions, it has to do with the quality of the "evidence"

The Dark Masters replaced the Four Holy Beasts in all of their functions after beating them and sealing them away. Who gives a damn if "only the planet" as you said got warped because the Four Holy Beasts keep the entirety of the Digital World intact.

They specifically WEREN'T doing that you dipshit, that's why everything was going to shit. They had to warp the PLANET into Spiral Mountain just to make it easier to conquer and control. ha

The Holy Beasts' power couldn't do anything to maintain the balance or keep the dimensional wall intact the entire time they were sealed.

Which has nothing to do with the Dark Masters being able to replicate their shit.

What, you still think Apocalymon is a glass cannon?

I'm more in the camp that it was just pure PIS so no, he's not a glass cannon.
Existing beyond space/time, they shouldn't have been able to interact with him at all, much less beat him.

He's stronger than all of the Four Holy Beasts combined.

Oh look you actually said something that's true, I'm proud of you.

And I already explained why the Chosen Children's Digimon scale to Apocalymon in another thread. In short, they destroyed Apocalymon's physical body.

They scale to Jack Shit, their fucking Digivices had to stop his multiversal suicide attack while they stared at it uselessly.
Them winning at all was PIS, plain and simple.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fate-strange-fake-servants-vs-the-espadas-bleach.1141423/?post=98446027#post-98446027

It really is funny how I just meet threads where people can't read or refuses to read...

I mean.

Alcides can steal Gugulanna, so the Strange Fake definition of Noble Phantasm is pretty vague, and is pretty much up to the author.

In this case, it's up to the OP

Except that was an explicit assumption to believe that Reincarnation Pandora can only steal Noble Phantasms and was explicitly proven wrong in that it was the only thing it could steal or it could only steal one thing.

TYPE-Moon/Nasuverse Feats/General Thread - People Die If They Are Killed Edition

More Lore dumps that showed up(Translation issues may be ahoy obviously). The biggest one confirms Ushiwakamaru summoned was from Neco-Arc, not Chaldeas Ushiwakamaru(the most obvious change). Ciel believes Mash's Shield is a High level Mystic Code comparable Mage Association Royal Guard(she's...

onelastforum.com

"...I was just as surprised as you are. He could take more than just our Servant’s… Jack the Ripper’s Noble Phantasm. Flat and I assumed he could only steal Servant Noble Phantasm, but we were wrong…"

The students capable of detecting the flow of the magical energy immediately understood what was happening.
The hurricane, previously hundreds of kilometers in diameter, was now reduced to just a few kilometers.
But Ishtar dropping into the underworld didn’t weaken it to any extent.
The entire whirlwind’s energy was compressed in a single place—more accurately, into the one Servant in the eye of the hurricane.

The land and sky were covered in nonstop thunderbolts. It was clear that anyone who dared approach would get scorched by the rain of lightning with no chance of survival.

"I never imagined he’d be able to plunder a divine beast’s Conceptual Core in its entirety.", Thia quietly delivered the answer while watching the Servant at the center of the storm: the avenger Alcides. “Or… are you thinking about dealing with that monster?”

The story says that outright but of course to Imaginary, this suddenly means that text didn't exist and Narita is just making shit up now.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fate-strange-fake-servants-vs-the-espadas-bleach.1141423/?post=98471611#post-98471611

Hollows don't age as well, people; Respera still works on them just fine. It's less Aging and more Entropy.

It's explicitly stated to be Aging, the fuck you are talking about? And Hollows do age, what the fuck is this? They may stay the same(i.e. are no different than the Royal Guard) but they explicitly do age.

That is how it works, though.

Adding in Esoteric shit to Barragan's Respira
Pretends that's how it is
When it's a major plotpoint that it cannot age Kidou as quickly as anything else, let alone something like Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu Complete Hypnosis

Really shows Bleach fanboys are worthy of that "BleachScaling" meme.

Anyway the Espada most likely win this one.

Called it like always there is inevitably going to be Bleachtards start foaming at the mouth.

 

[Adamant soul]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fate-strange-fake-servants-vs-the-espadas-bleach.1141423/?post=98471611#post-98471611

It's explicitly stated to be Aging, the fuck you are talking about? And Hollows do age, what the fuck is this? They may stay the same(i.e. are no different than the Royal Guard) but they explicitly do age.

They don't physically change but still have an "expiry date" as it were, just like how any Kido spell will eventually wear off with time, despite it not really "ageing" as it were.

Respira works on shit that will fade, wear off or die over time. If time has straight up no effect on whatever Respira is hitting, Respira will have NO effect.

To use a Final Fantasy XIII comparison.
The average C'ieth wouldn't die to it but it would accelerate their transformation into C'ieth stones and incapacitate them that way.
The Undying C'ieth on the other hand would just straight up no-sell it completely as time has no effect on them, hence the name.

But you know, some Bleach fans don't like the idea that their shit has limitations.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/lostbelt-morgan-le-fey-f-go-vs-fairy-tail-universe.1140364/page-4?post=98468872#post-98468872

This is very semantics based, I would not say Rhongomyniad can one shot Sefar

It very much can, the hell do you mean?! The only reason it wasn't used is because Rhongomyniad wasn't even made by the Planet yet, Excalibur is the first true and Last Phantasm and it's strongest weapon. Excalibur may ultimately be stronger than Rhongomyniad but Rhongomyniad isn't that much weaker at the end of the day.

Even if Rhongomyniad has comparable 'power' to Excalbiur's full potential, Rhongomyniad's offensive function is simply one of its many functions with its true purpose being the creation of a tower whilst Excalibur was made specifically to beat up threats to the planet.

...All that means is that Rhongomyniad is weaker than Excalibur in overall power... which is true, HOWEVER, we know for a fact that Sefar can ONLY die by Excalibur, just that Excalibur was needed because it was literally the only weapon the Planet created at that point for itself.

Rhongomyniad scales somewhat, but it's simply somewhat within Excalibur's range of power and does not have the ability to necessarily replicate all of its feats.

Rhongomyniad LR is capable of cutting a Galaxy in half with it's 2nd NP(And the FGO Materials prove that she constantly takes Spishtar down a thread whenever she gets too full of herself which makes that true) and despite what people say, Excalibur and Rhongomyniad outside of the Servantverse... is virtually no different than the Servantverse versions.

They don't physically change but still have an "expiry date" as it were, just like how any Kido spell will eventually wear off with time, despite it not really "ageing" as it were.

Respira works on shit that will fade, wear off or die over time. If time has straight up no effect on whatever Respira is hitting, Respira will have NO effect.

To use a Final Fantasy XIII comparison.
The average C'ieth wouldn't die to it but it would accelerate their transformation into C'ieth stones and incapacitate them that way.
The Undying C'ieth on the other hand would just straight up no-sell it completely as time has no effect on them, hence the name.

Exactly, it would only work on things that not only have an "expiration date", but also something that is technically tangible. If it could work on "A Servant's connection to their Master", then Barragan shouldn't have any problems killing Aizen as Complete Hypnosis should have zero effect on him but nope, still his lackey until his dying breath.

So yeah, Bleach fans are a whole ass case of delusional.

 

[Masterblack06]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shrike-hyperion-runs-a-gauntlet-of-verses.1141786/

Holy Baby shaking batman jesus christ

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shrike-hyperion-runs-a-gauntlet-of-verses.1141786/

Holy Baby shaking batman jesus christ

Doesn't make it past round 5

 

[King]

Doesn't make it past round 5

The niggas are ready to believe that the almighty wins

 

[Masterblack06]

Doesn't make it past round 5

 

[Masterblack06]

Your lucky i dont know how to make these bait images cause I would have 100% made one called tree of bait

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/shrike-hyperion-runs-a-gauntlet-of-verses.1141786/

Holy Baby shaking batman jesus christ

SB was a mistake.

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Honestly surprising that no one's tried to say Demon Slayer mid-tiers solo Hyperion Cantos yet.