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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Yamamoto got scarred by Bankai Chojiro....Same Yamamoto that has more than 4x his reiatsu....This doesn;t prove Shunsui got stronger.

I mean what Cryso said was wrong, this is still stupid since we know Yamamoto DID get stronger from the 1000 year difference(We literally see this that his Bankai did change in atleast it's first form from what LloydYhwach! remembers from Yhwach's memories) and considering his words to Driscoll, his Bankai would STILL hurt Yamamoto even then which throws that out of the window. But considering Shunsui's level of power overall(When neither he or his Zanpaktou isn't fucking around), he would very much be > Chojirou.

It's a shame that no one of them barring Zaraki is anything but fodder for Yamamoto.

I'm so fucking tired of this, I swear to God man, I swear to God! Zaraki ain't fucking shit to Yamamoto, not as he is now! The only nigga who is actually close to Yamamoto's level(If not there completely) is Adult Toshiro, the nigga who was all but heavily stated to ultimately surpass Shunsui in 100 years who is the current Captain Commander and all media was all over him being Yamamoto's equal.

Seriously, Unohana seen fucking RENJI as someone Zaraki can fight at 100%, the fucker ain't ready for Adult Hitsu's rizz.

Byakuya? The same person who's dwarfed by Pre-Hogyoku Aizen in reiatsu?

And after his RG, he eclipsed Shinigami Aizen as hard as Renji fucking did... seriously, people put Shinigami Aizen on a pedestal and forget while he had power to rival Yamamoto, his Shikai ain't shit compared to Ryujin Jakka and it will never be.

The only form of Gerard that Byakuya scales to is his base form...

Let's ignore the fact that Byakuya was able to take off his head with his Senkei version of his Bankai...
"B-But Hitsugaya froze it beforehand" and as we've seen with his Bankai ice, it doesn't weaken the durability of the target at all if they are at the same level of the ice multiple times.
 
"Power Creep doesn't exist in Bleach"

The Sternritter and Yhwach who basically destroyed the Soul Society who feels a heavily weakened FB Bankai Ichigo coming into play



Seriously, it's honestly 500 levels of retarded that FV Bleach fanbase actually believes FB Bankai Ichigo being as strong as a Sternritter makes no sense and Yhwach can't seriously massively outrank his own Military when this exact shit happened in the Manga too, especially when he returned after his RG training in the Manga(The Anime actually has Ichibei straight ass lie to Ichigo just to see if he's Soul King compatible and that whole room was his and Senjumaru's doing).
 

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I recently learned all the sword art forms used in demon slayer are basically the characters tripping balls, which is fucking hilarious.
Eh it's kind of debatable

Gotouge can't make up their mind if they want the elements to be real or not
 

SupremeZaarin

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And who is facilitating as well as allowing them to have high position in Empire's admirality and Moff councils to begin with?

Let's not forget that out of 12 Grand Admirals (which are all appointed personally by Sidious) only three or four of them are worthy of their position. The rest are nepotism.

Lets not forget that CIS are basically Sith's design. Without Sith it will be just Trade Federation.

Without Jedi or Sith the galaxy may still be in turmoil, but they certainly are the ones that makes those warlords and other opportunist have the opportunity to do what they did.

None of this proves that the Force must be destroyed. The suffering in the Imperial Civil War isn't caused by the Force. The suffering caused by the invading Mandalorian Neocrusaders isn't caused by the Force. Any conflict in any part of SW verse isn't caused by the Force itself.

Palpatine with or without the Force. The Imperial Civil War would still happened. The treacherous, disloyalty, disunity, flaws, and so on of the Empire isn't caused by Palpatine's force powers but rather by who he is as a person which is being a megalomaniac tyrant.

The Empire is structured in that particular way as such by Palpatine, not the Force. If anything, if Palpatine is good natured, cares about the well being of the galaxy, and so on. The Empire would be structured in a way that doesn't allow a Warlord era to ever happen such as putting loyal and good men who cares more about serving the people of the galaxy in position of power as opposed to having a den of power hungry people in the same room.

The Force didn't cause the Empire to fracture. It is Palpatine's evil nature that allowed it to fracture. The Force isn't causing this.

Whatever evils that had been done is done by the people themselves, not the Force.

Take Darth Revan and Darth Malak for an example.

Both are very deep in the dark side. But we can see a difference. Revan prevented as much destruction in his invasion of the republic. While Malak just simply bombards everything in his path. The thing is that you can't blame the dark side of the Force for this. What is being seen here is differences in who they are as a person. Not the dark side.

Same goes for the light side. The Mandalorians wars in which the Jedi council prevented the Jedi to partake in the war. This isn't the fault of the light side because the light side by definition is defending the weak and the innocent.

The Jedi Council refusing to partake in the war isn't the light side failing. It is rather that they are betraying the essence of what a Jedi is meant to be. They are betraying the light side.

Had the Jedi Council followed the will of the Force which is the light side as opposed to not joining it. They could have prevented Revan and his band of Jedi from falling way too deep into the dark side. The council could have override the brutal tactics that Revan would employ and compensate it with more Jedi in to the fray. Heck, they could keep Revan from using dark side artifacts made by the Rakata such as the star maps and whatnot.

If only the Jedi council just simply just joined the Republic, jumping to every opportunity to protect the innocents and kept a constant lookout for anything that would influence Revan or any of the less experienced members to the downfall to the dark side. That would be the light side thing to do. As opposed to sitting in their temple and only evaluating the threat. This can explain why in KOTOR II, when you use Force vision on the Jedi Council members, they aren't fully light sided, only partially. A true light sider is a paragon compared to these clowns.

The same thing applies to the Prequels. The Jedi are flawed because they are more concerned with dogma, follow the will of the Republic. As opposed to following the will of the Force. If anything, the exemplar Jedi would be Qui-Gon Jinn who follows the will of the Force through and through even in defiance of the Jedi Council.

The light side is about helping the weak, forgiving of their mistakes. If only the Jedi had helped Anakin's mother. If only the Jedi forgives Anakin of his flaws as a Jedi as opposed to belittling. Perhaps Anakin would have sided with the Jedi and not Palpatine.

So no, the light side can't be blamed for the Jedi council's arrogance and the dark side can't be blamed for Malak's genocide as other dark siders such as Revan who prefers to avoid as much destruction as possible in his conquest of the Republic.

The dark side doesn't compel everyone to seek the total annihilation of the republic. There are those who are content in ruling their own little private fiefdoms without caring the larger galaxy.

The same goes for the light side. It doesn't compel all of them to be in blind defense for the Republic. There are those who are content to live in isolation and don't want to involve themselves with the rest of the galaxy.

Every war between Jedi and Sith isn't the fault of the Force itself. It is rather individuals participating in those wars.
 
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Kinda makes complaining about The Force being good or bad is weird considering Lucas has LONG been on record that what caused the horrible balance of The Force is literally JUST Darth Vader and Sidious and them being gone was what put it back on Balance(Though it's heavily implied it's JUST Sidious considering he's literally created from The Dark Side itself like Anakin was created from The Force itself).

The Dark Side itself is the true perversion of The Force, not the Light Side itself. And if you bring up the issues of the Jedi in the Prequels... that's supposed to be the point. They completely lost their way and the only Jedi who didn't was Qui-Gonn Jin and he was seen a rebel for them and he ultimately died.
 

SupremeZaarin

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Kinda makes complaining about The Force being good or bad is weird considering Lucas has LONG been on record that what caused the horrible balance of The Force is literally JUST Darth Vader and Sidious and them being gone was what put it back on Balance(Though it's heavily implied it's JUST Sidious considering he's literally created from The Dark Side itself like Anakin was created from The Force itself).

The Dark Side itself is the true perversion of The Force, not the Light Side itself. And if you bring up the issues of the Jedi in the Prequels... that's supposed to be the point. They completely lost their way and the only Jedi who didn't was Qui-Gonn Jin and he was seen a rebel for them and he ultimately died.

This. The Jedi failed because they had lost their way. Just like how the Jedi failed in KOTOR, they followed in their same steps for their downfall.

Anyone who says that the reason why the Jedi failed because Muh light and dark must be balanced is them not understanding on how the Force works.
 
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Proto234

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Kinda makes complaining about The Force being good or bad is weird considering Lucas has LONG been on record that what caused the horrible balance of The Force is literally JUST Darth Vader and Sidious and them being gone was what put it back on Balance

This. The Jedi failed because they had lost their way. Just like how the Jedi failed in KOTOR, they followed in their same steps for their downfall.
Then explain Darth Krayt and his one sith then.
Clearly Sidious death doesn't stop the Sith (Darth Caedus also rise years after Sheev' death). Since a new Sith Order born years after his death
Is Luke' Jedi Order also fails that they suffer the same fate as of their predecessors?

Does the cycle of the fight of Light and Dark side needs to keep continuing (A jedi order get purged > Sith rises > A jedi topple the Sith and create a new Jedi order > Rinse and repeat)
 
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Then explain Darth Krayt and his one sith then.
Clearly Sidious death doesn't stop the Sith (Darth Caedus also rise years after Sheev' death). Since a new Sith Order born years after his death
Is Luke' Jedi Order also fails that they suffer the same fate as of their predecessors?

I don't see how that defeats the point considering just like Palpatine trying to kill off the Jedi never came to pass(and this isn't even the first time the Jedi was nearly wiped out or hell, was wiped out entirely), you can't truly kill off the Sith either but Anakin did kill off the Rule of Two which Darth Bane(Who truly IS the equivalent of the Chosen One of The Dark Side) had up for thousands of years which is still monumental.

Does the cycle of the fight of Light and Dark side needs to keep continuing (A jedi order get purged > Sith rises > A jedi topple the Sith and create a new Jedi order > Rinse and repeat)

Do you not even know what The Dark Side is? It's literally the equivalent of a bad drug and addiction, no shit The Sith are gonna appear because that shit exists and will always exist, that's not The Force's fault nor is it the Jedi's fault either.
 

SupremeZaarin

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Do you not even know what The Dark Side is? It's literally the equivalent of a bad drug and addiction, no shit The Sith are gonna appear because that shit exists and will always exist, that's not The Force's fault nor is it the Jedi's fault either.

Yep, it is not the fault of the Force that evil exists. Evil people would still do evil shit with or without the Force.
 

Proto234

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Do you not even know what The Dark Side is? It's literally the equivalent of a bad drug and addiction, no shit The Sith are gonna appear because that shit exists and will always exist, that's not The Force's fault nor is it the Jedi's fault either.
The problem is this is Star Wars not WH40K.
If this is WH40K, I don't see the problem since the setting is basically grimdark and forever war.
Star Wars supposed to be more optimistic setting (not to the level of ST though).

So basically so long as force exist, so does Jedi and Sith, and thus the galaxy is always on a threat.
It will be good if both Jedi and Sith keep their conflict to themselves, but alas that's not the case. Everytime Sith and Jedi battle happens, the galaxy is always caught on crossfire
 
The problem is this is Star Wars not WH40K.

I don't see the point in that comparison.

If this is WH40K, I don't see the problem since the setting is basically forever war.
Star Wars supposed to be more optimistic setting (not to the level of ST though).

I mean you can say that Human Existence is a forever war and there are plenty of Non-Jedi and Non-Sith who fuck up the Galaxy far worse than any of them do(Like the Yuuzhan Vong or the Hutts). Why you think this only exist for The Force?

So basically so long as force exist, so does Jedi and Sith, and thus the galaxy is always on a threat.
It will be good if both Jedi and Sith keep their conflict to themselves, but alas that's not the case. Everytime Sith and Jedi battle happens, the galaxy is always on turmoil

Again, why you keep thinking it's only Jedi or Sith who does this shit?
 

Proto234

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(Like the Yuuzhan Vong or the Hutts). Why you think this only exist for The Force?



Again, why you keep thinking it's only Jedi or Sith who does this shit?
Because everytime there is a major, galaxy wide war in SW, chances are it mainly rooted in Jedi vs Sith.

Vong is one sole exception.

God, sometimes I wish legends writer doesn't use Sith or anything related to them as a main antagonist.

And when has the Hutts became major faction in the galaxy on the same level of Empire or even Rebellion.?
 
Because everytime there is a major war in SW, chances are it mainly rooted in Jedi vs Sith.

Vong is one sole exception.

Uh, the Thrawn lead Imperial Army had no Sith in there at all and they wanted to reclaim the Galaxy as their own, did you miss that?

God, sometimes I wish legends writer doesn't use Sith or anything related to them as a main antagonist.

Thrawn is one and there are plenty of stories which doesn't feature any Sith at all...

And when has the Hutts became major faction in the galaxy on the level of Empire or even Rebellion.?

Since the start? Did you not realize why Palpatine and the Empire has so little influence on Tantooine? Including the Prequels and The Republic? There was a damn good reason for that and it's due to the Hutts and always has been.
 

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Uh, the Thrawn lead Imperial Army had no Sith in there at all and they wanted to reclaim the Galaxy as their own, did you miss that?



Thrawn is one and there are plenty of stories which doesn't feature any Sith at all...



Since the start? Did you not realize why Palpatine and the Empire has so little influence on Tantooine? Including the Prequels and The Republic? There was a damn good reason for that and it's due to the Hutts and always has been.
And Thrawn is still part of Empire, which has its roots in Sith.
No Sith, no Empire, no Thrawn

And how much is the Hutts influence? I don't think their influence is galaxy wide, mostly outer rim (which Tatooine is)
 
And Thrawn is still part of Empire, which has its roots in Sith.

Bruh, what the hell type of ass answer is that?! Thrawn isn't a fucking Sith and the Empire was not built by Palpatine alone either.

And how much is the Hutts influence? I don't think their influence is galaxy wide, mostly outer rim (which Tatooine is)

Yes Outer Rim and potentially beyond that but it's shown to be where The Republic/Empire has the weakest reach.
 

Proto234

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Bruh, what the hell type of ass answer is that?! Thrawn isn't a fucking Sith and the Empire was not built by Palpatine alone either.
Yes, but him, Daala, the warlords are all part of basically Sith Empire (GE is basically culmination of Sith's plan afterall), so they still, however minimum, associated with Sith.

Just like non force user who serves Revan, Malak, Vitiate and so on
 
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