He is steel talk about Joyeuse>Excalibur
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He is steel talk about Joyeuse>Excalibur
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...This is some absolute hardcore mental gymnastics for real...
In what Galaxy, nay, in what Universe is it ever stated that Joyeuse is stronger than The Last Phantasm, the first and last defense of Nasuverse Earth, the weapon made from the Core of a Star Excalibur? Not to mention, he goes into the absolutely mentally retarded math that only further demonstrates how dumb it is to calc shit only by what is shown and not simple scaling or any of that nonsense...
Rhongomyniad wielded by Grey and had much of it's Mystery eroded is compared to an attack by a Divine Spirit... not it the attack it did against Faker, no JUST her using Rhongomyniad in it's most sealed state. Joyeuse couldn't defeat Vasavi Shakti in a headon clash yet NONE of Karl's Army including KARNA HIMSELF(Outside of Gilles and that's due to him being insane) stepped up to face Artoria just doing detective work on whose fucking with the Moon Cell... but we are supposed to believe that because Joyeuse is stronger than Durandal by x13, that means that it must be stronger than Excalibur by default?
You know? You CAN have Joyuese being x13 stronger than Durandal... and it NOT diminish Excalibur's power? You know how? The same Durandal is enough to stop an ANTI-PLANET LASER(Again Nasuverse Earth > Most fictional Earths) through sheer deflection by not even it's true wielder(Hektor vs. Roland who knows how to use a secret magic Hektor knows nothing about)... doesn't mean that Excalibur is weaker.
Hell, that doesn't even begin to make sense because in Extella Link? Charlemagne FOUGHT ARTORIA in that very route I mentioned above... and he did absolutely NOTHING to her, even equalizing her to a brick wall and refusing another go. And again, Charlemagne is a Top Servant and in FGO is still seen as one of the strongest Servants around(Traum had to nerf him just so he doesn't basically win instantly) so there is no basis for this at all.
There are a million ways Gilgamesh destroys Luffy and vapes the verse(@El Hermano wants that to change but it's not looking likely unless One Piece gets the same Planetary scaling as Toriko and Luffy takes Mother's Flame and lives) without even needing to pull out Ea or hell, needs to fight Luffy even with a Noble Phantasm.
They bring up Gilgamesh in Strange Fake and F/SN but they never bring his ass up when he knocked Tiamat's ass down in her strongest state with just Gate of Babylon and I don't wanna hear "He was in his true body" because that was a catalyst and most of all, Gilgamesh himself is compared to a Grand Servant just like Artoria is in Extella so it wouldn't change dick about the feat itself).
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He didn't know Extella exist, but whats the reasoning for this?
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To be fair, we have no idea where's Ea's max is anymore...
Before, Ea was stronger than Excalibur due to potentially being far, far older than the Earth.... but that was before we got the full revision of Excalibur(though it was still called "The Last Phantasm" even back in F/SN so... not much of a full revision, just more of a change in how it operates). Ea could be weaker than Excalibur in full "Last Phantasm" mode or it could be stronger for all we know... we just need to see if it IS.
Gilgamesh isn't making predictions, he's literally seeing into the future, the person's soul and thoughts and abilities and different timelines...
This is why I find "The Almighty stuffs his Clairvoyance" to be absolutely dumb it's not like Observation Haki, not in the slightest. Gilgamesh would see that Luffy has it and explicitly fuck with it because in One Piece, you actually CAN fuck with it to the point it's effectively meaningless(Shanks literally has that ability on top of having a ludicrously powerful version that makes Luffy's and Katakuri's looks like baby's first)
1. The fact that Luffy isn't faster or stronger than Gilgamesh in any form?
2. The fact that Speed is equalized in the debate?
He requires Gear 5 to even try and pull that off and people tend to love ignoring that Gilgamesh's Golden Armor is actually some real stupid shit(Which is hilariously based on, just like himself, on a Japanese Arcade game Tower of Druaga... no really) in which it can tank hits from Artoria with Invisible Air and somehow still kept his body intact despite eating an Excalibur... from pointblank. This is on top of having so much Magical Resistance on it, it's effectively meaningless to use Magecraft against him.
Gum up the rest? My dude, Tiamat couldn't face that shit in her strongest form, what chance would Luffy have?
Wow, doing something even Ciel could do with no problems... as well as any Mage that's actually talented...
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TV version of Omniman and Invincible having the potential to surpass their comic counterpart in attack potency and scaling?
What are the odds bruh? What are the fucking odds?
Salfarc
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Funny is there was a Luffy vs Gilgamesh thread in SB and I mention Vimana and everyone goes against me saying Luffy will just beat Gilgamesh without letting him use Vimana or fly.
This is in the context that Gilgamesh can use SNI. As if Gil won't figure out what will Luffy do and counter-act it. For some reason no one else seems to be talking about flying.
It's funny because apparently according to a book that comes with One Piece: Red, the right usage of Conqueror's Haki can in fact mess with and completely shut down Observation Haki...
If that's the case, Gilgamesh's existence should basically ruin that completely because Magical Energy in the Nasuverse is no joke, especially with the typical capacity of a Servant, let alone how much Gilgamesh has.
Salfarc
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In the same thread they are saying Luffy's Observation Haki will tell him of Vimana. I actually have to debate against 3 people about how Luffy has never use it that way, nor he ever show he can do that.
Luffy has to activate his precog, thats why he can still get hit. Gilgamesh have to de-activate his precog because it's constantly active. Not to mention Gil's is superior. Luffy wouldn't use his observation haki just to see if a guy will get inside a jetplane, he probably got distracted about how cool the vehicle is. And yet I still have to debate against 3 people in iirc 4 different pages about it.
Batman (Bale) vs Wolverine (Jackman)
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It's also canon that he's lost to individual Justice League members even when he's had prep.
So even in the comics, having prep is not a guarantee he's going to win regardless.
No he won't, Bale Batman doesn't have the feats (with or without prep) to deal with someone as strong as Wolverine, full stop. In fact Afleck's Batman is the ONLY movie version that actually does have the feats to win this due to the armor he used to fight Superman.
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Some good old Bat wank.Batman (Bale) vs Wolverine (Jackman)
Batman knows the claws can't be parried. Shamelessly stolen from Facebook like a genuine normie.
It's also canon that he's lost to individual Justice League members even when he's had prep.
So even in the comics, having prep is not a guarantee he's going to win regardless.
No he won't, Bale Batman doesn't have the feats (with or without prep) to deal with someone as strong as Wolverine, full stop. In fact Afleck's Batman is the ONLY movie version that actually does have the feats to win this due to the armor he used to fight Superman.
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