Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

Xhominid The Apex

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Tablos said:
Maybe Gil's stans still are in denial about the fact that : Excalibur high ends >>>EA in general
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To be fair, we have no idea where's Ea's max is anymore...
Before, Ea was stronger than Excalibur due to potentially being far, far older than the Earth.... but that was before we got the full revision of Excalibur(though it was still called "The Last Phantasm" even back in F/SN so... not much of a full revision, just more of a change in how it operates). Ea could be weaker than Excalibur in full "Last Phantasm" mode or it could be stronger for all we know... we just need to see if it IS.


I never thought about Luffy surviving and that's a fact. I pointed out that if the real Gilgamesh doesn't use his own precognition to its full potential, Luffy will see him remove it 1 minute earlier.
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Gilgamesh isn't making predictions, he's literally seeing into the future, the person's soul and thoughts and abilities and different timelines...
This is why I find "The Almighty stuffs his Clairvoyance" to be absolutely dumb it's not like Observation Haki, not in the slightest. Gilgamesh would see that Luffy has it and explicitly fuck with it because in One Piece, you actually CAN fuck with it to the point it's effectively meaningless(Shanks literally has that ability on top of having a ludicrously powerful version that makes Luffy's and Katakuri's looks like baby's first)

What exactly stops Luffy from simply not letting this happen by attacking with superior speed and strength?
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1. The fact that Luffy isn't faster or stronger than Gilgamesh in any form?
2. The fact that Speed is equalized in the debate?

It's not like Gilgamesh's armor is going to help seeing that Luffy is going to blast him from the inside out.
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He requires Gear 5 to even try and pull that off and people tend to love ignoring that Gilgamesh's Golden Armor is actually some real stupid shit(Which is hilariously based on, just like himself, on a Japanese Arcade game Tower of Druaga... no really) in which it can tank hits from Artoria with Invisible Air and somehow still kept his body intact despite eating an Excalibur... from pointblank. This is on top of having so much Magical Resistance on it, it's effectively meaningless to use Magecraft against him.

It's not like GOB's spam is going to help seeing that Luffy is just going to dodge the majority or gum up the rest.
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Gum up the rest? My dude, Tiamat couldn't face that shit in her strongest form, what chance would Luffy have?

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Wow, doing something even Ciel could do with no problems... as well as any Mage that's actually talented...
 
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Cryso Agori said:
Rn I think he is but Omni-man surviving near a blackhole nor Space Racer's gun blowing a star was not in the comic but were added in the show.

Atem's point is that if the destruction of Viltrum stays the same in the show, as in the comic Space Racer uses his gun to weaken the core of Viltrum before Mark, Nolan, and Thaddeus fully smash it apart, that would make those three star level, since the core would survive a star level blast.
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TV version of Omniman and Invincible having the potential to surpass their comic counterpart in attack potency and scaling?

What are the odds bruh? What are the fucking odds?
 
Salfarc

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Tablos said:
Gilgamesh can counter Luffy by just flying , One Piece and long distances is and awful combination because the characters sucks in that departament.
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Funny is there was a Luffy vs Gilgamesh thread in SB and I mention Vimana and everyone goes against me saying Luffy will just beat Gilgamesh without letting him use Vimana or fly.

This is in the context that Gilgamesh can use SNI. As if Gil won't figure out what will Luffy do and counter-act it. For some reason no one else seems to be talking about flying.
 
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Salfarc said:
Funny is there was a Luffy vs Gilgamesh thread in SB and I mention Vimana and everyone goes against me saying Luffy will just beat Gilgamesh without letting him use Vimana or fly.

This is in the context that Gilgamesh can use SNI. As if Gil won't figure out what will Luffy do and counter-act it. For some reason no one else seems to be talking about flying.
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It's funny because apparently according to a book that comes with One Piece: Red, the right usage of Conqueror's Haki can in fact mess with and completely shut down Observation Haki...

If that's the case, Gilgamesh's existence should basically ruin that completely because Magical Energy in the Nasuverse is no joke, especially with the typical capacity of a Servant, let alone how much Gilgamesh has.
 
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Xhominid The Apex said:
It's funny because apparently according to a book that comes with One Piece: Red, the right usage of Conqueror's Haki can in fact mess with and completely shut down Observation Haki...

If that's the case, Gilgamesh's existence should basically ruin that completely because Magical Energy in the Nasuverse is no joke, especially with the typical capacity of a Servant, let alone how much Gilgamesh has.
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In the same thread they are saying Luffy's Observation Haki will tell him of Vimana. I actually have to debate against 3 people about how Luffy has never use it that way, nor he ever show he can do that.

Luffy has to activate his precog, thats why he can still get hit. Gilgamesh have to de-activate his precog because it's constantly active. Not to mention Gil's is superior. Luffy wouldn't use his observation haki just to see if a guy will get inside a jetplane, he probably got distracted about how cool the vehicle is. And yet I still have to debate against 3 people in iirc 4 different pages about it.
 
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Batman (Bale) vs Wolverine (Jackman)

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Some good old Bat wank. :mjpls
amarosnithe said:
On god, its canon that if you give Batman prep time, he can defeat literal DC gods
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It's also canon that he's lost to individual Justice League members even when he's had prep.
So even in the comics, having prep is not a guarantee he's going to win regardless.
amarosnithe said:
So even if its Bale Batman (aka the most realistic one), if you give him prep time he will teach wolverine a lesson he won't forget (but will end up incapacitating him, restraining him.. etc). Other than that, without prep time he will get crushed like a bug by Wolverine
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No he won't, Bale Batman doesn't have the feats (with or without prep) to deal with someone as strong as Wolverine, full stop. In fact Afleck's Batman is the ONLY movie version that actually does have the feats to win this due to the armor he used to fight Superman.
 
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Adamant soul said:

Batman (Bale) vs Wolverine (Jackman)

Batman knows the claws can't be parried. Shamelessly stolen from Facebook like a genuine normie.
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Some good old Bat wank. :mjpls

It's also canon that he's lost to individual Justice League members even when he's had prep.
So even in the comics, having prep is not a guarantee he's going to win regardless.

No he won't, Bale Batman doesn't have the feats (with or without prep) to deal with someone as strong as Wolverine, full stop. In fact Afleck's Batman is the ONLY movie version that actually does have the feats to win this due to the armor he used to fight Superman.
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Batman (Bale) vs Wolverine (Jackman)

Batman knows the claws can't be parried. Shamelessly stolen from Facebook like a genuine normie.
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Who cares about feats, it's fiction bro, anything goes. :mjpls
amarosnithe said:
Again, there's literally a Neutron Bomb in the Bale universe, so its completely possible that there could be something that could work against him.

Plus, Bale Batman doesn't have to directly fight Wolverine to win, he can trap him somewhere adamantium cannot cut, or trap him somewhere Wolverine cannot get out of. This counts as a win. Thats why preparation time is important, like you said sure, he lost to some people even with prep time, but prep time also allowed him to defeat Darkseid.
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Your argument at this point is "no, he can't because we never seen [thing] in bale movie.", we never seen something like it because there were never any circumstances where such a thing would be used. Its definetly not irrealistic to picture Bale Batman tricking Wolverine into going somewhere and trapping him. Bale Batman is faster and more agile than Jackman Wolverine so he can stall time and escape from him if needed. He also has all the technology and funds needed either research or develop something that he can use to buy time.

The example of the Neutron Bomb is to show that even in the Bale universe, he has access to highly advanced technology just like any Batman movie or comic. Its a fact. Its irrelevant if [thing against wolverine] was never seen in the Bale movies, Batman still in the same universe as DC and therefore things like Kryptonite, or people Superman still exist.

The only difference being is that the movies by Nolan were trying to be as realistic as possible, so there is in fact a way to trap Wolverine somewhere where he cannot get out of, or create some armor that is Adamantium resistant. Its fiction, its still possible.

Let me give you an example, in the Bale movies, Harvey Dent had his face burned off to a crisp, and yet despite his eye not having any eyelids anymore, his eye is still intact and he's perfectly fine, despite the fact that in real life he would've lost his sight, his eye would've developped an ulcers aswell as a severe infection which would threaten his life (check the risks associated with not blinking for longs periods of time). Are we even gonna talk about all the concussions that Bruce Wayne was revealed to have in the final movie which crippled his body for decades? And yet despite that, he was still able to develop a way to reinforce his body with an exoskeleton and further continue his career as Batman. In real life this is not possible. But this is fiction, therefore, anything is.
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Nevermind the fact claiming Bale-verse Batman is either faster or more agile than Prime Hugh Wolverine, or capable of evading him for any length of time to lead him into a trap (which he would easily cut his way out of anyway) is fucking stupid. :smh
 
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Xhominid The Apex

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shiny said:



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TheOneBellowAll can not only have no idea how to calc(Like most of Spacebattles), the dude has no goddamned idea that while yes, that is a feat... how does it scale to ANYONE in Nazarick, let alone Ainz?
That's where the issue is, it's basically scaling Ainz from hyperscaling and nothing else.
It's like trying Hitsugaya to Yamamoto before he gained his Adult Form, there's nowhere you could feasibly do something like that past his Bankai version of Tensho Jurin but goddamnit, you have to try.
ALSO:

1. Metal Gear EXCELSUS is literally BUILT for fighting Cyborgs like Raiden in the first place(Which is why it has those gigantic HF Blades)

2. It is physically strong enough to handle Raiden BLADE LOCKING WITH IT for a bit before it ultimately lost the exchange.

You have to be an invalid to pretend that a huge golem tossing a building sized boulder is supposed to be beyond Armstrong when Raiden tossed Excelsus like a red headed stepchild and can casually throw Metal Gear RAYs like a goddamned softball... and that was in a weaker body than his current one.
 
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No, authors aren't powerscalers. When they say supersonic, they mean an unquantified speed faster than sound. Lightning is supersonic, because it moves faster than sound. The argument that supersonic means slower than Mach 5 is absurdly stupid. Cheetu is blatantly hypersonic, Meruem is faster than Cheetu, and Netero only ever had to move less than a tenth of the distance Meruem had to. Here's a simple bit of math so that you can understand it. Suppose Meruem has to cross 10 meters to reach Netero and Netero has to move his hands 50 cm to clap. If Netero moves his hands at Mach 1 and Meruem moves at Mach 10. Netero would complete his clap when Meruem is only halfway to Netero.
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It's insane that this even has to be stated...
I mean the rest of the argument is dumb(Because again, Meruem was holding back to a truly stupid degree just to try and keep Netero alive to know what his name is... not to mention, the issue was that he had to deal with 1000 insanely quick arms and find the right way to bypass them to defeat Netero, which he did faster than the first time) but the fact that Supersonic has to be stated to just be a measurement of speed is just ridiculous.
Supersonic, Hypersonic, Luminal, FTL, AU and so on and so forth are just measurements of speed, they are not like you using stickshift in a car to go faster in different gears...


Yuji already tanked something similar.
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How the hell is that similar to Big Bang Impact? For fuck's sake, use those things called eyes please!


JJK fanboys, not even once...
 
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